golinux | Here's the pad or this week's meet: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/DT-6vZglPCTYvGpcSHlHhTsT/ | 05:18 |
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xrogaan | do you post these before or after? | 05:31 |
golinux | Before | 05:38 |
xrogaan | So, are those used to keep notes of the meetings? | 05:46 |
xrogaan | if so, where is the history of them? | 05:46 |
plasma41 | xrogaan: After the meetings, I post them to the devuan-dev mailing list. | 05:48 |
xrogaan | oh, okay :) | 05:52 |
gnu_srs1 | LeePen: Seems like the hard core people in Debian are ruling, e.g. #935304. | 11:59 |
gnu_srs1 | Maybe we could ask the Debian CTTE or the PL for an opinion? | 12:00 |
LeePen | Yes, I have just seen that. I am still struggling with a manual block on elogind: see #934132. | 12:04 |
fsmithred | is there some rule that says all installed libraries must be functional? | 13:48 |
LeePen | I was just going to look at the Policy and see what it says. | 13:48 |
LeePen | Just about to post my buster migration instructions. | 13:49 |
fsmithred | doesn't it usually work the other way? Some app depends on a library. | 13:49 |
fsmithred | not library depends on the app the uses it | 13:49 |
LeePen | Yes, but depsite their name, libpam-{systemd,elogind} actually do the login session registering. | 13:50 |
LeePen | That is why they are the alternatives for the new logind virtual package. | 13:51 |
LeePen | Not ideal namimg IMHO. | 13:51 |
jaromil | hi LeePen, I read a bit about the libpam-dependency and I am grateful for the pointer | 15:30 |
jaromil | is there anyone in contact with any Debian developer trying to bring them to reason? | 15:30 |
LeePen | jaromil: Hi. Thanks. Centurion_Dan has good connections with Debian Leader. I am just trying to collect arguments together for repopening #935304. Have you anything to add? | 17:36 |
xrogaan | "wontfix because I say so"? | 17:51 |
LeePen | xrogaan: I know. | 17:53 |
LeePen | I have just noticed that Debian's systemd doesn't ship an initfile. That is RC bug according to Debian Policy! | 17:55 |
LeePen | Not sure it is going to win us any friends to point it out though. | 17:55 |
LeePen | However, it might be leverage for #935304? | 17:58 |
xrogaan | dunno, the behavior seems to dismiss whatever the maintainer do not like | 18:00 |
xrogaan | Talking about the issue and being persistant is all we can do, is it not? | 18:10 |
enyc | FWIW, I observe beowulf-backports doesn't seem to exist yet ;p | 18:15 |
enyc | be nice if it did r.e. buster-backports libreoffice and otherwise non core blocking programs! | 18:15 |
enyc | LeePen: ROFL thats.... thats... silly ;p | 18:16 |
enyc | LeePen: at some point i got google site infection warning thing to tell me google.com links to a lot of infected sites , or something... | 18:17 |
fsmithred | doens't it link to all of the infected sites? | 18:17 |
mason | ping jaromil - do you have a preferred email? I'd like to have a potentially brief conversation and email seems ideal. | 19:40 |
mason | jaromil: mason@blisses.org on this end | 19:44 |
gnu_srs1 | LeePen: #935304 is already reopened,. Please add your arguments there for a start ;) | 21:48 |
LeePen | gnu_srs1: Yes, thanks. I see that now. Will do. | 22:20 |
Centurion_Dan | LeePen, gnu_srs1: I took exception to Michael Biebl's attitude shown in his response to #935304 and already sent Sam an email asking for a reconsideration. | 23:14 |
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