libera/#devuan-dev/ Thursday, 2019-09-19

masonYay, and now I can leave, only a bit late.00:04
fsmithredis the meeting still going on?00:13
golinuxNope00:14
fsmithredyeah, I just checked00:15
fsmithredanything interesting happen?00:15
golinuxYes.00:15
golinuxPad is full00:16
fsmithredok00:16
xrogaanis there a way to get the standard mailman interface for the mailing list archives?00:18
golinuxUnit193: Wow!  looks like Devian is standing at the edge of a clifff.00:20
gnu_srsgolinux: Sam is a nice person. Let's hope for the best :)00:22
golinuxxrogaan: This?  https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/  Don't know why it's not up to date.00:23
xrogaanoh, yes, thanks.00:23
golinuxgnu_srs: Yes, i am hoping he can mediate things00:24
xrogaandevuan-dev@lists.dyne.org isn't available on mailarchive?00:24
xrogaanright, only dng is available00:26
golinuxDon't know.  I personally prefer the other interface and only keep that link around for questions like yours.00:26
xrogaanhow do you make sense of it?00:29
golinuxit being?00:37
xrogaanthe dyne interface.00:38
xrogaannevermind00:39
Evilhamit is00:40
Evilhamxrogaan: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/search/20201130.230000.00000000@ml:devuan-dev.en.html00:40
xrogaanI like lkml's interface because you have a broad overview of the thread on the left side, indexed on the author's name.00:42
xrogaandyne's list only has an icon pointing directly to the next or previous message.00:42
xrogaanEvilham: yes, I was asking if it was on mail-archive.com though ;)00:43
Evilhammeh :-p00:44
EvilhamI like the search function of my mail client :-D00:45
Evilham(joking)00:45
Evilhamidk, don't spend much time searching through mailing lists00:45
plasma41Meeting notes posted!03:32
* helios21 hugs everyone11:38
helios21After reading Sam's mail "Bits of the DPL" especially the "Init diversity" statement I felt quite sad. I wrote a longer response, carefully aiming at not hurting anyone.11:40
tarzeauhelios21: where is it?12:13
tarzeauhttps://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/09/msg00001.html12:14
HumanG33khi, there is a weekly meeting right ?12:23
tarzeaui'm using cron @reboot with screen -dmS as my init system12:24
tarzeauit just works. i'm fine with that.12:24
helios21tarzeau: discussion is on debian-devel, not debian-devel-announce, my mail https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/09/msg00310.html and the complete thread https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/09/threads.html#0031012:26
tarzeaui was perfectly happy with sysvinit12:27
tarzeaui'm pissed off it got replaced by something utterly complicated, stubborn, undocumented, bloated crap12:28
tarzeauand i'm not sure whose fault all this is, redhat? gnome? systemd persons?12:28
tarzeauor freedesktop.org12:28
tarzeaubut in france, few 100 years ago, they'd have said. someone must hang! (err head off)12:29
helios21tarzeau: I do not feel it to be helpful to talk about advantages and disadvantages of systemd *once* again. For this discussion Sam brought up in a respectful manner it is important whether Debian decides whether it likes to have the work or part of the work of the Debian init diversity initiative Devuan developers contribute to *a lot* in Debian or not.12:30
tarzeauand i freaking want my /etc/inittab back12:30
helios21but you can12:30
tarzeaui'm not involved, i'm just not using or packaging any daemon software anymore12:30
helios21I have it on all of my systems, the devuan ones and the debian ones12:31
tarzeauexcept for cron+screen12:31
helios21anyway, I do not like to engage in another cycle of discussion pro or against systemd, what I intended to do here it to give all the devuan developers who contributed to the Debian init diversity initiative!12:32
helios21and to express the sadness I feel should Debian community, which is of course theirs, decide not to want this work in Debian anymore12:32
tarzeauit wasn't meant to discuss. it was just how i feel about it all, dumped.12:33
tarzeaui'm just observing.12:33
helios21HumanG33k: yes, there is, but on Wednesday. announcements are on devuan-dev mailinglist.12:47
helios21I am offline for a while12:47
gnu_srs1LeePen: Now when apt 1.9.4 is out closing #935910, I assume  #934491 can be closed or at least not RC any longer!15:58
golinuxHumanG33k: I also post about the weekly meet in this channel17:40
HumanG33kyes it s just to be sure for add it to my caldav17:41
HumanG33ki want debian through devuan be great again ;)17:42
golinuxPing me if you want to test your setup before the meet.  We don;t have time to trouble shoot at the meet itself.17:56
LeePengnu_srs1: Yes, I am just preparing and upload with Breaks: apt (<< 1.9.4)18:23
LeePenAnd I think we can close it with that fix.18:26
masonhelios21: Thanks for putting the time into that communication.18:53
fsmithredgit dilemma: I pushed some changes to live-sdk for desktop-live. Katolaz made a minimal-dev branch and told me to merge it to master. If I checkout the minimal-dev branch, it also contains the desktop-live files before I pushed my last changes.18:53
masonfsmithred: Check it out in a different local repository.18:54
fsmithredif I merge the minimal-dev branch, it will replace my new files with the older ones, won't it?18:54
fsmithredmason, I'm not clear on what you're saying18:54
masonfsmithred: You want one thing from a particular branch, but don't want it to clobber your other stuff, so go somewhere else in your filesystem and check out the new thing in a place that won't interfere with your other stuff.18:55
masonfsmithred: If instead you're looking to commit changes and there's an ordering issue, maybe my answer doesn't work. I'm not wholly clear on it.18:56
fsmithredyeah, I think that's the case here18:56
fsmithredI'm going to manually make his changes in master18:56
fsmithredthen push18:56
masonCan you commit your changes to the minimal-dev branch as well then, and then commit everything? I'm not sure how that sort of thing is handled by git.18:56
masonAh, having to do it by hand sounds like we're missing how to do it properly in git. :/18:57
fsmithredyeah, but I think I have more changes, so it might be easier to change in master, get everything right, then merge the master into the minimal-dev18:57
masonMerging into minimal-dev also sounds wrong, thinking about it. Can you check in a subset of minimal-dev?18:58
fsmithredand yes, I'm sure there's a git command to do exactly what I want, but I don't know it.18:58
masonAs in, check in the stuff that you want explicitly, but not the whole thing?18:58
masonThat seems like it ought to work, but git seems to lend itself to this kind of tangle.18:58
fsmithredno clue18:58
fsmithredI'll make the changes in master and leave the minimal-dev branch alone for now.18:59
masonfsmithred: Hrm, not quite what we want, but I just noticed this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1085162/commit-only-part-of-a-file-in-git18:59
fsmithredit might make sense to have a plain dev branch, since it includes all the blends18:59
masonfsmithred: This is more it: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4315948/git-partial-merge-not-whole-branch19:00
masonI'm not saying "don't do it by hand" but if you're like me, not doing it the proper way will itch uncomfortably.19:01
fsmithredthe itch is less troublesome than the head pain19:02
masonhah19:03
masonAnd this is why I still use Subversion for all my stuff.19:03
Evilhamuhm hi19:26
Evilhamthat's some unusual level of activity around here19:26
Evilhamjust got up-to-date, helios21 I liked Sam's email, it's not an easy position and he's doing what I personally perceive as being the best in such circumstances19:26
Evilhamif things are clear, then everyone knows how to act or figures it out19:26
Evilhambut if things are not clear, then, it's a much worse position19:26
Evilhamand by "things" I mean pretty much every single point he raised on that email19:26
EvilhamI understand that a few of the possible outcomes are not great and that causes fear, but uncertainty isn't helping anyone19:26
Evilhamand I do enjoy reading your emails :-)19:26
Evilhamwhatever the reasons, you know you are more than welcome to hang out here and experiment19:26
Evilhamtest19:26
* Evilham cringes19:27
Evilhamhelios21: I/my ISP was having networking issues for a while and I couldn't reply earlier :-p19:27
EvilhamI actually liked Sam's email, it's not an easy position and he's doing what I personally perceive as being the best in such circumstances.19:27
EvilhamIf things are clear, whichever direction, then everyone knows how to act or figures it out, but as it is now, with things being unclear, that's a much worse position19:27
Evilhamand by "things" I mean pretty much every single point he raised on that email. Of course I understand that a few of the possible outcomes are not great and that causes fear, but uncertainty isn't helping anyone right now19:27
Evilhamand I do enjoy reading your emails :-)19:27
Evilhamwhatever the reasons, you know you are more than welcome to hang out here and experiment, hopefully the reasons are not something we overall don't want, but just ease of doing19:27
Evilhamtest19:27
Evilhamtest19:27
Evilhamgrrrrr19:27
Evilhamso now a bunch of delayed messages will arrive sorry for the noise19:27
Evilhamawkward stuff here19:27
golinuxEvilham: I'm seeing double!!19:37
EvilhamT,T network messed up badly19:37
Evilhamso things are getting back there19:37
Evilhamand I thought it was just lost in the void19:37
Evilhambut no19:37
golinuxShouldn't you be out of Donnager's reach?19:39
Evilhamnot my kind of geekness :-D but I kinda get the point19:40
fsmithredmason, I think I did it right. I merged the minimal-dev into master, and git log shows me all the commits from both branches, in chronological order.20:05
masonfsmithred: Oh, nice, so even though you committed the whole branch, it took the most recent of each...? That sounds like it did the right thing.20:08
fsmithredyes20:09
fsmithredit listed all the changed files from the minimal-dev20:09
fsmithredand I check one of mine, and it did not revert20:09

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