| fsmithred | changes persist only if you set up a persistent volume | 00:01 |
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| fsmithred | could be a partition or a loopback file | 00:01 |
| mason | fsmithred: Does that overlay the root, or is it just sort of a data directory? | 00:01 |
| fsmithred | it overlays either the root or the home | 00:01 |
| mason | cool | 00:01 |
| fsmithred | or other things you can do, but I've never done | 00:01 |
| mason | Overlaying the root would make package installations persist, which is all I'd really want. | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | setup for that goes in a text file in the root of the persistent vol | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | yes, I use it that way. Need a big usb stick and a lot of memory | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | a lot* 2G seems to be enough | 00:03 |
| mason | Reasonable. | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | I suppose less if you made the live iso without excluding the apt cache | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | and it was already updated | 00:03 |
| mason | I really like debootstrap. It gives us the convenient of untarring BSD, for comparison, but using distinct packages. | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | I have a desire to make an installer that unpacks a bootstrap tarball and then lets you get into chroot in a graphical environment with synaptic to install packages | 00:18 |
| mason | Hm, doesn't that almost exist now? | 00:18 |
| mason | Does synaptic let you select a root for install? | 00:19 |
| fsmithred | no, synaptic assumes you're running the system it's installing to | 00:20 |
| mason | Ah, so you'd need to capture it in a chroot. | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | current install does a debootstrap and then goes into chroot | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | but only provides tasksel | 00:21 |
| mason | Alright, more fine-grained control during install would be nifty. | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I started with redhat and suse, and their installers let you choose any individual packages from the repo | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | mandrake, too | 00:23 |
| mason | Hrm, Anaconda isn't quite that fine-grained. | 00:23 |
| mason | It's a lot like tasksel nowadays. | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | oh, well that was RH 7.0, almost 20 years ago. | 00:24 |
| mason | I was solidly not in favour of Red Hat back then. I was a NetBSD zealot. | 00:25 |
| mason | Red Hat has since gotten way better. | 00:25 |
| fsmithred | one disadvantage of that method is you can get into problems if you select conflicting packages | 00:25 |
| mason | It doesn't kick out the selections? | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | I recall fighting with an installer because it kept telling me I couldn't do what I wanted | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | probably would have been easier if I'd known what I was doing | 00:27 |
| fsmithred | that's what tasksel is for | 00:27 |
| mason | Funny thing, Devuan ASCII's debian-installer was just fighting with me over partitioning earlier. It said I wasn't properly aligning /, and said to delete it and re-create it with the same values and it would align. But it didn't. | 00:27 |
| mason | After looping a few times I made a dummy partition that forced / into the right offset, and then deleted the dummy partition, and it accepted that. | 00:28 |
| fsmithred | you were trying to use existing partitions? | 00:28 |
| mason | No, all new. | 00:29 |
| fsmithred | hm, weird | 00:29 |
| mason | fsmithred: After a time you'll learn that I can elicit breakage from ANY software. I'm a useful source of work for QA folks. | 00:29 |
| fsmithred | oh, good | 00:30 |
| mason | I'll be back - dinnertime, then I'll read to the kids before they go to bed. | 00:33 |
| rrq | please test: ascii 2.1 netinstall, at http://borta.rrq.id.au:8081 | 06:46 |
| LeePen | Centurion_Dan: I know you have your hands full, but any chance you can look at the arm64 build host and the oom policykit failures? Thanks. | 21:08 |
| mtnman | helo. | 23:50 |
| mtnman | is there a way to prevent wicd from dropping a wired connection when connecting to wifi? | 23:50 |
| mtnman | if i disappear from the channel it is due to flakey wifi. | 23:51 |
| mtnman | helo again... | 23:54 |
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