libera/#devuan-dev/ Friday, 2020-03-20

se7enThe neomutt package is two years out of date05:07
se7enDo I report this to debian or you05:07
plasma41fsmithred rrq: I have come to a conclusion as to why libsystemd0 is included in a Debian bootstrap.05:09
plasma41In Debian both the packages util-linux and bsdutils (both of which come from src:util-linux, btw) are classified as Essential and both depend on libsystemd0 (which is not Essential, but gets pulled in as a dependency).05:12
plasma41Devuan has forked versions of both of these packages with the libsystemd0 dependency removed.05:14
plasma41Unless there is something else depending on libsystemd0 there is no need to include it in the list of packages for a minbase install.05:16
plasma41Furthermore, I propose we add libsystemd0 to the banned packages list. Anywhere libelogind0 is unable to satisfy a dependency on libsystemd0 should be considered a bug.05:19
plasma41I realize this should probably go on the mailing list. I will send it to the dev list momentarily.05:20
masonplasma41: Hear, hear.05:25
Unit193se7en: It looks like it's one release behind, the one that was released March 13th.05:30
se7enReally?05:30
se7enNeoMutt 20170113 (1.7.2)05:31
Unit19320191207+dfsg.1-105:31
se7enI'm on Ascii and don't have that one05:31
se7enAnd I've run apt05:31
se7en > apt-cache show mutt05:35
se7enPackage: mutt05:35
se7enVersion: 1.7.2-1+deb9u105:35
se7enInstalled-Size: 610805:35
se7enMaintainer: Mutt maintainers <pkg-mutt-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>05:35
se7enI've updated the package list05:35
se7enI am unable to upgrade05:35
se7enThere is no list05:35
se7enEr, there is no upgrade avalible05:35
se7enUnit193:05:35
se7en apt-cache policy mutt05:36
se7enmutt:05:36
se7en  Installed: 1.7.2-1+deb9u105:36
se7en  Candidate: 1.7.2-1+deb9u105:36
se7en  Version table:05:36
se7en *** 1.7.2-1+deb9u1 50005:36
se7en        500 tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages05:36
se7en        500 tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged ascii-security/main amd64 Packages05:36
se7en        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status05:36
Unit193se7en: ASCII maps to stretch, which is oldstable.  Of course it's several years behind, if you want current you'll either have to backport or use something more current like Beowulf or Ceres.05:39
se7enOk, noted05:39
se7enWill consider, thank you05:39
golinuxse7en: All you need to know is on https://beta.devuan.org/os/install05:48
golinuxThat's for beowulf.  The beta was just released a few days ago.05:50
Unit193Might want to backport, but again up to you.05:50
golinuxThat is another option.05:53
adam_free2airbpmedley: thanks for preseed file. does not seem to work yet. the only way i can get keymap and domain to work for unattended provisioning is to pass in kernel params. not sure how to pass d-i command for init system yet.13:29
adam_free2air(this is for unattended PXE boot)13:30
HumanGeekhellè15:09
HumanGeek*o15:09
HumanGeekthere is an issue with the main website certificate or it’s just me ?15:09
Jorildevuan.org? Looks fine to me15:15
HumanGeekWebsites prove their identity via certificates, which are valid for a set time period. The certificate for devuan.org expired on 3/1/2020.15:17
JorilFirefox tells me "Expires on June 1, 2020"15:18
HumanGeeki use firefox to15:18
HumanGeekreally strange15:20
adam_free2airHumanGeek: is your client date & time correct?16:13
HumanGeek2020/03/2016:14

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