| onefang | Heisenbugs we call them. When you try to observe them, they change. | 00:21 |
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| fsmithred | We should hire Schroedenger's cat to hunt the Heisenbugs. They're good at getting bugs. | 00:53 |
| onefang | lol | 01:11 |
| golinux | Seems there is still intelligent life on this planet. :D | 01:41 |
| rrq | fsmithred: yes, the squashfs comes pre-populated with /sys files | 01:50 |
| rrq | no forget that (it's early morning here ) | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | yours or mine? | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | no, there's nothing in /sys in the squash or in the initrd | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | oh | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | I know that's true for refracta isos | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | checking... | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | empty in desktop-live | 01:53 |
| rrq | yes I confused myself | 01:54 |
| mason | Tomorrow's meeting pad: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/qfcxCPswV-LR4N2YOy0h8zgO/ | 02:26 |
| rrq | fsmithred: how about a Donald Duck synchronization (aka sleep) just before initrd.img:scripts/init-bottom/udev:15 ? | 04:02 |
| onefang | But then people will complain that sysvinit takes too long to boot up. Waaaaaaah! | 04:05 |
| rrq | in theory it should be possible to only wait until all hotplug events have been dealt with, and maybe a "udevadm settle" would do that | 04:09 |
| bgstack15 | Regarding gzip, xz, and bzip2, I kind of prefer gzip but mostly because that's the oldest and most common. Once or twice have I tried to pick a compression for one of the optimized features (minimal size, or minimal decompression time, or minimal compression time) but mostly gzip is good enough. | 13:47 |
| bgstack15 | https://www.rootusers.com/gzip-vs-bzip2-vs-xz-performance-comparison/ is a great read. | 13:47 |
| yeti | what about safety? | 14:21 |
| yeti | https://www.nongnu.org/lzip/xz_inadequate.html | 14:21 |
| yeti | this aspect mostly is overlooked | 14:22 |
| yeti | I've no idea about the correctness of the claims in there but speed and compression factor sure is not all to look at | 14:23 |
| yeti | gzip just compresses too less for some stuff. If I can shorten downloads thousands of times by using xz instead of gz, that multiplies up to lots of bandwidth less and lots of faster downloads (relative to the unpacked volume) | 14:25 |
| yeti | I had no fail with xz so far but if I ever understand lz being safer ore more futureproof or such, the less less than 1% less compression relative to xz I see on larger stuff like os install images sure is ok... | 14:27 |
| yeti | oooh haaa... less less less... :-) typing long stoff in a single scrolling line (weechat) considerered harmful! | 14:28 |
| yeti | time to go erc... | 14:29 |
| yeti | (somewhen... ommmmm...) | 14:29 |
| FrapeX | hi all | 15:33 |
| FrapeX | does devuan beowulf i386 support systems without the SSE2 instruction set? I scanned the binaries/libs of the live dvd (using analyse-x86.pl), and found out that there are plenty of binaries and libraries that contain SSE2 instructions. | 15:33 |
| FrapeX | The kernel itself is compiled for GEODE LX and up. | 15:39 |
| yeti | SSE2 instructions you see in sleeping code might not be executed on all platforms | 15:40 |
| yeti | like if(hasSSE2) SSE2CRC(data) else portableCRC(data) | 15:41 |
| yeti | the only problem I remeber (years ago) was flash starting not to run on PIII any more (which I didnt care much about) | 15:43 |
| FrapeX | yeti: that makes sense. But for example the latest firefox 68ESR is loaded with SSE2 and CPU's without SSE2 arent supported anymore. | 15:43 |
| FrapeX | s/SSE2/SSE2 instructions/ | 15:43 |
| * ShorTie wonders, https://git.devuan.org/devuan-doc/documentation/tree/wip/new-packaging-guide/maintainers gives me 404 errors for guides at bottom | 15:44 | |
| FrapeX | yeti: yea I remember flash, only Flash Player 11 worked on non SSE2 CPUs. | 15:46 |
| FrapeX | Is the Devuan i386 tested on real hardware without SSE2 support? I know from experience that even if you set QEMU to not support SSE2, it still executes them without error. So kinda hard to test? | 15:51 |
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