libera/#devuan-dev/ Thursday, 2021-01-21

Centurion_DanHey, can anyone tell me why LVM was dropped from the beowulf installer?  I tried to do an install and no option to use LVM in the partitioner at all even after installing the lvm package.02:57
fsmithredWhich iso? I've done a few lvm beowulf installs.03:00
golinuxCenturion_Dan: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/full-disk-encryption03:03
golinuxIt's in the documentation03:03
masonCenturion_Dan: Are you saying it's missing from the manual partitioning menu?03:06
mason(I only do debootstrap installs, so I tend not to see the installer, which doesn't help catch this sort of thing, I realize.)03:06
golinuxThere are screenshots in the link above in the installer03:09
Centurion_Dan@golinux - I only get the "guided - use entire disk" option and none of the installer options.03:09
Centurion_DanI've not had problems previously...03:09
fsmithredwhich iso?03:10
masonCenturion_Dan: Are you saying there's no manual partitioning option?03:10
masonOr, implying, I guess?03:10
golinuxNo one else has mentioned a problem and the sreenshots prove that it's there.03:10
Centurion_Danthere is, but no option for setting up LVM...03:11
masonhrm03:11
Centurion_Dannot even in manual mode...03:11
masonCenturion_Dan: Which ISO are you using? I'll snag a copy just to be a second set of eyes.03:11
fsmithredUse as:03:11
masonAlthough I believe you.03:11
golinuxDid you look at that link that I posted?  Any of that look familiar?03:12
Centurion_Danhttp://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso03:12
Centurion_Danyes, and that's not what I see...03:12
Centurion_Danbe really good if we could identify the geolocation of each of the mirrors too so people can select the local one.  I really should mirror that for NZ too...03:13
masonMm, it'll be a bit of a lengthy download. It's offering me under 100K/s. Can you tell me if yours matches this, to save the download?03:13
mason$ md5sum devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso03:13
mason20f99fb6e126029ed6c475a8e67c6120  devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso03:13
masonIf it matches, I can test immediately.03:14
masonCenturion_Dan: ^ sorry, forgot to tag you03:14
Centurion_Danyes md5sum matches.03:15
golinuxSorry, I can't help with debugging03:15
Centurion_DanI'm going to try that install again...03:15
golinuxHope you figure it out.03:15
masonCenturion_Dan: kk, I'll fire one up too03:15
onefangWe have country and country codes in the package mirror list at least.03:15
masontrying normal install first, then will try an expert mode03:17
Centurion_Danactually onefang, they were all dropped - I asked to about NZ recently for my mirror (currently located on my Talos II buildhost)03:17
onefangWhat was dropped?03:18
masonCenturion_Dan: Normal install, I see the expected menu - guided / use entire, guided / use entire and set up lvm, guided / use entire and set up encrypted lvm03:19
masonwill reboot and try expert03:19
Centurion_Dani alwys do expert03:20
fsmithreddoesn't matter for partitioning03:21
masonCenturion_Dan: Fascinating. So, yeah, no LVM, no LUKS, nothing when I install in expert mode.03:21
fsmithredselect a partition03:21
masonCenturion_Dan: I didn't check to see if the LVM is actually working in non-expert.03:21
fsmithredUse as: whatefer they call it for lvm03:21
masonCenturion_Dan: In fact, only ext3, fat16, fat32, swap available for partitions. The image is clearled borqued.03:22
masonCenturion_Dan: I'll go back to non-expert and see if it actually installs LVM03:23
Centurion_Daninteresting ... and i always use expert to be able to continue the installs via ssh....03:23
masonYar, ssh and debootstrap here. Hrm. I need to start testing actual ISOs.03:23
Centurion_Danprobaly time i set up a tftp server and pxeboot03:24
mason(I tend to use fsmithred's live CD as a base to install.)03:24
masonThat works too.03:24
masonMy favourite lately: IPMI and virtual media \o/03:25
fsmithredhm, my 3.0 netinstall iso has a different checksum03:27
fsmithredand it has lvm03:27
fsmithredin manual parititoning03:27
masonfsmithred: in expert mode?03:27
fsmithredyes03:27
fsmithredsha256sum: 5844e45dc6421c25dfc9fb25df9d57af8fadf12a97a2a4e0ae1931c4c321752303:27
masonfsmithred: checksum or md5sum?03:27
fsmithred3.0.0 netinstsall amd6403:28
masonoh, try md5sum03:28
fsmithredthat looks more like yours03:28
fsmithred20f99fb6e126029ed6c475a8e67c612003:28
masonThat's the one.03:28
fsmithredmanual parititoing03:28
fsmithredselect a partition03:28
Centurion_Danok this time it succeeds using the same image.  maybe it's because last time I booted efi and this time legacy...03:28
fsmithreduse as03:29
fsmithredrebooting03:29
masonCenturion_Dan: I started off legacy.03:29
masonCenturion_Dan: This is in a VM, but that shouldn't really matter.03:29
masonbrb, still working through work stuff03:29
Centurion_Danseems to be installing fine now...03:32
fsmithredCenturion_Dan, are you booting from optical media?03:34
Centurion_Danfsmithred - no, usb flashdrive03:35
Centurion_Danfwiw, I've started pushing Devuan as a viable OS for those that care about security and those that hate windows and macOSX, and I'm getting traction.  I think with the new US administration and the threat of much more invasive tracking of people considered to be suffering wrongthink being a likely outcome of the divisive election and recent events...03:36
Centurion_DanHP Elitebooks work pretty well with the only real tweaking for hardware support is an updated mapping for Fn keys (I can provide a patch for that).03:38
masonSo, build a wall, but of a digital nature. I see, I see.03:42
Centurion_Dancan't trust microsoft or apple, so using linux with a private (not gmail) host, duckduckgo for search, gab.com for social media (that's really taken off in the last week) and a few other choices significantly reduce the amount of metadata that can be harvested....03:45
masonGab... I'm starting to see a pattern. =cough=03:46
masonI'm hoping to get into Mastodon, myself.03:46
masonHaven't had time to set up a server yet.03:46
rrqCenturion_Dan: nz.deb.devuan.org is the only country code that resolves to something else than the round robin; cname for deb.devuan.nz in dns03:47
Centurion_Danthe next step will be to build an easy to deploy small business server like setup that includes firewall, dns resolver, and email server.03:48
masonCenturion_Dan: Have you looked at what FreedomBox does? That's sort of up that alley.03:48
Centurion_Danmason - yep pretty much along freedom box lines but using Devuan as the base.03:49
onefangOhh, Centurion_Dan meant the CC.devuan.org names where dropped.  I understand now.03:50
masonCenturion_Dan: I'd like to see such a thing that makes use of HAM or similar. My only issue with FreedomBox is that it doesn't bridge distances.03:50
Centurion_Danrrq - so that's implemented then?  I never head back that you actuall added that record.03:50
rrqyes it's on03:51
rrqline03:51
Centurion_Danmason, you mean a HAM radio link?03:51
masonCenturion_Dan: Or something. No encryption over HAM is an issue.03:52
Centurion_Danrrq - can you test it, I had a UPS fail at home that took that server offline for a day.  Batteries had collapsed.03:53
rrqhttp://nz.deb.devuan.org/devuan looks like a repo :)03:55
rrqand /merged as well03:55
rrquptodate03:55
rrqthough it's missing the codenames (?) jessie, ascii, beowulf chimaera03:57
rrqah no sorry they are there under merged/dists of course03:57
* rrq running an netinstall trial against it04:02
rrqseems happy enough :)04:07
rrqCenturion_Dan: worked fine, and fast04:29
golinuxdeop #devuan-dev golinux04:36
golinuxop #devuan-dev golinux04:37
golinux/me doesn't have very good op skills04:39
yetibeen there04:46
yetiprost!   c\_/      (tea)04:47
Centurion_Danrrq: Awesome ;-)04:54
emdeteHi, is there something like a meta-package to transmogrify a devuan (x11, i3, ...) to a devuan with mate desktop with a (more or less) single `apt install ..`?12:04
Jorilwell there's task-mate-desktop12:06
emdeteJoril: ah, ok, i need tasksel for that to work, right?12:30
gnu_srs2emdete: No, you just apt-get install task-mate-desktop13:25
clemens3https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/devuan-on-arm-beowulf-on-rockpro64/14:18
JorilI see that Plymouth is a "banned" package, is this simply because on Debian it depends on systemd, or because it CANNOT work without systemd anymore? (the deb still contains the /etc/init.d/plymouth)16:50
fsmithredJoril, last I heard, parazyd is working on plymouth16:52
fsmithred0.9.5-2+devuan2 is in chimaera/ceres16:52
fsmithredThanks for reminding me I have to look at that to see how it works with desktop-base16:53
JorilNice! I'll try it right away, thanks :)16:54
JorilOn Beowulf it breaks mawk, sigh17:09
fsmithredwhat???17:35
fsmithredHoly shit that's an understatement.17:37
fsmithredopen: 7045; closed: 11314; defer: 122; conflict: 168                                                                              ONo solution found within the allotted time.  Try harder? [Y/n]17:37
fsmithredlooks like python is the problem17:37
JorilWhat do you mean? There's a "breaks mawk << 1.3.4" inside deb/control17:39
fsmithredI mean I got about 100 lines of output from 'aptitude -s -t chimaera install plymouth'17:40
JorilWow :D17:40
Joril(sorry got to go, bye!)17:41
parazydfsmithred: There's still work I have to do on it20:06
Centurion_DanHi parazyd22:28
parazydHey22:29

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