libera/#devuan-dev/ Sunday, 2021-02-07

XenguyIs this statement still true:  "Slim is the default login manager for Xfce. Lightdm is the default for01:28
Xenguythe other desktops." ?01:28
masonXenguy: I think LightDM is the default, based on what's there on my kids' machines.01:40
masonOh, maybe I'm wrong there. Hrm. apt-cache depends shows both, with a bar next to slim01:43
fsmithredslim is still default for xfce02:14
masonfsmithred: Is there a way to determine why that's default beyond it being listed first in the list of depends?02:15
masonbbiab, dinner, but I'm curious02:16
fsmithredyou mean why we decided to make it default?02:16
golinuxmason: You need to ask hellekin that question.  I like it because his design is beautiful03:03
XenguyI like slim, and still use it on beowulf, but I thought I read that slim will be eventually deprecated?03:09
golinuxIt has been for years. No one maintains it.  But it still works03:36
fsmithredhttps://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/slim/slim_1.3.6-5.2_changelog03:37
masonfsmithred: I meant more, what specifies it as the default, since task-xfce-desktop lists it as one of two possibilities.04:50
masonIt's listed first, but I wonder if it's nailed down some other way.04:51
rrqthat's what apt uses as default .. likewise for virtual packages where "the first" implementation becomes the default04:57
rrq"the first" means any that has already beein installed, or else alphabetically first in C locale sorting04:58
rrqI'm not totally sure re locale04:58
masonhrm04:59
masonSo, task-xfce-desktop lists slim first.05:00
rrqyes ... both provides (virtual) x-display-manager but has to be nominated explicitly to make slim the preferred default05:02
rrqthough, I think task-xfce-desktop should vae "slim | x-display-manager" as dependency rather ... just off-handedly without deep thought05:04
rrqvae = have05:04
mason"apt-cache depends task-xfce-desktop" also appears to list the or "|" first, so I might just be confused.05:09
rrqyes that output is whimsical05:11
rrqit kind of has "|" as prefix rather than infix05:13
masonSo it seems, yeah.05:13
rrqfyi: the RC3 collection of 3.1 installer isos is available at https://charla.rrq.id.au/download/12:46
rrqthis are all the same as RC2 except that "old" kernel modules are excluded, and emacs-nox is moved from the server iso to cd4 ; all in the aim of squeezing them down to useful sizes12:47
masonDevil's advocate: Anyone really wanting Emacs on a server can reach in with tramp mode. (Unless they want to, for example, use elisp for scripting. I once poked at an emacsclient-invoked CGI processor.)16:09
yetihardcore emacs users have soo much personal config, that they dont want emacsens on each system18:06
yetias long as possible, they'll use tramp18:07
yetisome exceptions may exist18:07
yetieven with .emacs.d in git it is not easy not to screw up using many emacsens18:07
yetitramp ftw18:08
yetihttp://www.howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/literate-devops.html18:09
yeti.18:09
masonyeti: For a time, my config figured out whether I was running it on GNU Emacs or XEmacs, and set things up as appropriate for each.18:25

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