Xenguy | Is this statement still true: "Slim is the default login manager for Xfce. Lightdm is the default for | 01:28 |
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Xenguy | the other desktops." ? | 01:28 |
mason | Xenguy: I think LightDM is the default, based on what's there on my kids' machines. | 01:40 |
mason | Oh, maybe I'm wrong there. Hrm. apt-cache depends shows both, with a bar next to slim | 01:43 |
fsmithred | slim is still default for xfce | 02:14 |
mason | fsmithred: Is there a way to determine why that's default beyond it being listed first in the list of depends? | 02:15 |
mason | bbiab, dinner, but I'm curious | 02:16 |
fsmithred | you mean why we decided to make it default? | 02:16 |
golinux | mason: You need to ask hellekin that question. I like it because his design is beautiful | 03:03 |
Xenguy | I like slim, and still use it on beowulf, but I thought I read that slim will be eventually deprecated? | 03:09 |
golinux | It has been for years. No one maintains it. But it still works | 03:36 |
fsmithred | https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/slim/slim_1.3.6-5.2_changelog | 03:37 |
mason | fsmithred: I meant more, what specifies it as the default, since task-xfce-desktop lists it as one of two possibilities. | 04:50 |
mason | It's listed first, but I wonder if it's nailed down some other way. | 04:51 |
rrq | that's what apt uses as default .. likewise for virtual packages where "the first" implementation becomes the default | 04:57 |
rrq | "the first" means any that has already beein installed, or else alphabetically first in C locale sorting | 04:58 |
rrq | I'm not totally sure re locale | 04:58 |
mason | hrm | 04:59 |
mason | So, task-xfce-desktop lists slim first. | 05:00 |
rrq | yes ... both provides (virtual) x-display-manager but has to be nominated explicitly to make slim the preferred default | 05:02 |
rrq | though, I think task-xfce-desktop should vae "slim | x-display-manager" as dependency rather ... just off-handedly without deep thought | 05:04 |
rrq | vae = have | 05:04 |
mason | "apt-cache depends task-xfce-desktop" also appears to list the or "|" first, so I might just be confused. | 05:09 |
rrq | yes that output is whimsical | 05:11 |
rrq | it kind of has "|" as prefix rather than infix | 05:13 |
mason | So it seems, yeah. | 05:13 |
rrq | fyi: the RC3 collection of 3.1 installer isos is available at https://charla.rrq.id.au/download/ | 12:46 |
rrq | this are all the same as RC2 except that "old" kernel modules are excluded, and emacs-nox is moved from the server iso to cd4 ; all in the aim of squeezing them down to useful sizes | 12:47 |
mason | Devil's advocate: Anyone really wanting Emacs on a server can reach in with tramp mode. (Unless they want to, for example, use elisp for scripting. I once poked at an emacsclient-invoked CGI processor.) | 16:09 |
yeti | hardcore emacs users have soo much personal config, that they dont want emacsens on each system | 18:06 |
yeti | as long as possible, they'll use tramp | 18:07 |
yeti | some exceptions may exist | 18:07 |
yeti | even with .emacs.d in git it is not easy not to screw up using many emacsens | 18:07 |
yeti | tramp ftw | 18:08 |
yeti | http://www.howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/literate-devops.html | 18:09 |
yeti | . | 18:09 |
mason | yeti: For a time, my config figured out whether I was running it on GNU Emacs or XEmacs, and set things up as appropriate for each. | 18:25 |
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