libera/#devuan-dev/ Thursday, 2021-02-25

parazydgnu_srs1: When adding users/groups through postinst, you can always "|| true"00:01
parazydI think this is ok00:01
parazydgnu_srs1: The only difference between "system" groups and "regular" ones is that regular ones are usually GID > 1000 and system ones are GID < 100000:02
parazydThere is no other difference, and the sheer existence of the group should be enough in the usecase, so you're fine with "addgroup || true".00:03
rrqgnu_srs1: I kind of agree with parazyd that eudev should require the groups to exist but not require them to be system groups, though add them as such if not added01:04
rrqthere's no real possibility of eudev badness from that is there?01:07
bgstack15I have just found a project that builds a gtk3 module that re-enables the gtk3 mnemonics so you can configure a gtk3 theme to use "gtk-auto-mnemonics = 0" which makes all the underscores visible all the time.13:47
bgstack15I think this project could be included in Devuan. What do you guys think?13:47
bgstack15https://github.com/thesquash/sgm13:48
fsmithredwhat underscores?13:50
bgstack15the underscores in menus and on buttons, that indicate which letter is the accelerator key, so that ALT+A presses the "_Apply" button14:25
bgstack15This used to be an option on gtk3 but was removed a long time ago, and now it's just a hard-coded delay of 300ms of pressing ALT before the underscores are revealed.14:26
bgstack15I'm shocked that gtk3 removed the ability to configure to show these all the time, because they're keyboard-friendly, as well as some could argue an accessibility feature.14:26
fsmithredyou missed a step. After you press Alt, you still need to move the cursor off the menu bar and onto the menu. I hadn't even noticed the problem because I don't use the key commands and I use mostly gtk2 apps, I guess.14:29
fsmithreddon't be shocked that gtk would fuck over their users. They haven't been shy about doing it to other devs.14:30
fsmithredah, it works better if I don't use the mouse.14:32
fsmithredIn their quest to "clean up" the appearance, they will eventually remove all markings and you will be left with a blank page that's operated by a touch screen.14:34
parazydfsmithred: Sad but true15:33
scoofythere's hardly much improvement in UI usability in the last 10-15 years...15:44
adam_free2airpinging fsmithred re: rpi0-4 sd card images of beowulf are ready to trial on arm-images.devuan.org19:19
masonToday is crazy, and I won't be able to attend the meeting. Sorry for the short notice.21:16
fsmithredI'll be there in a minute or two21:38

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