freenode/#devuan/ Saturday, 2018-06-02

DocScrutinizer05((<KatolaZ> you must decide what you put in your sources.list, and nobody else)) ohmy you need to improve your help skills02:37
DocScrutinizer05((<KatolaZ> xrogaan: I already answered that question)) no you didn't02:37
DocScrutinizer05xrogaan: I have no real clue but I'd prolly add the needed debian repo to sources.list (or even replace the devuan sources.list by the debian one temporarily), then apt-get update, apt-get install <x11 debug package>, and then immediately revert all edits I did to souces.list and run apt-get update again04:18
xrogaanthe debug symbols aren't something threatening to the integrity of the system. What might be bad is if the symbols don't match the binary, in which case I won't be able to debug04:19
DocScrutinizer05so?04:19
DocScrutinizer05what's the point in this obvious statement?04:20
xrogaanI intend to remove the thing once I'm done with it.04:20
DocScrutinizer05still...04:20
xrogaanI wouldn't replace my source.list with pure debian though :)04:20
DocScrutinizer05you didn't understand how stuff works, did you?04:21
DocScrutinizer05!amprolla04:21
infobotnextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla04:21
xrogaansame packages but installed differently?04:21
djphnearly04:21
DocScrutinizer05you change sources.list *temporarily* to allow installation of one single debian package not avaulable under amprolla merged04:22
djphweird that amprolla doesn't just 'fallthru' to debian proper04:22
DocScrutinizer05then as I clearly stated you immediately revert all changes to your sources.list04:22
DocScrutinizer05djph: it does?04:23
xrogaanDocScrutinizer05: Yeah, that requires me remembering things. I wouldn't trust myself :)04:23
DocScrutinizer05when you can't remember that you did a "mv sources.list souces.list.ORIG" a 15min ago and you need to "mv sources.list.ORIG souces.list" after you're done instaling your package, then you actually have a much bigger problem that one software package missing04:26
DocScrutinizer05in maemo you could have used a script I made, for exactly similar issue related to maemo-extras vs maemo-extras-devel repo, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs  -- however you still need to remeber to actually run the right commands04:30
DocScrutinizer05xrogaan: there's only one simple rule: NEVER do an apt-get upgrade or install an arbitrary package as long as you run a modified sources.list. ONLY use modifications to sources.list TEMPORARILY to apt-get install <one-particular-package-not-available-otherwise>04:54
DocScrutinizer05djph: I think devuan lacks the one *new* debian repo that has debug packages - at least that's what I distilled from previous chat in here05:00
DocScrutinizer05djph: otherwise "fall through" is exactly how amprolla works05:01
djphah, that's teh piece i was missin' then05:02
DocScrutinizer05in a nutshell devuan repo has redirects to debian(!) repo packages, except for those packages that got forked in devuan to neuter systemd05:24
DocScrutinizer05see the links !amprolla provided above05:26
DocScrutinizer05obviously when debian introduces a new repo (e.g. for debug packages) then amprolla needs to know about that and a equivalent new devuan repo needs to get created, to forward to the debian repo (except for those packages bla bla). This is what is missing here, so adding the original *new* debian repo to your sources list is a viable work around as long as you act careful and remove that repo from your sources.list as soon as you did05:30
DocScrutinizer05whatever you needed that new debian repo for, like installing a package with debug symbols05:30
DocScrutinizer05HTH05:32
DocScrutinizer05I *think* a possible alternative approach would be to simply download from debian repo and dpkg -i install the package you want05:35
DocScrutinizer05downside: no check for dependencies in dpkg -i05:36
DocScrutinizer05to check for pending doom in tweaking sources.list, you could do (assuming your system is correctly up-to-date via apt-get upgrade etc): tweak souces.list ("cp sources.list BACKUP" first!), then apt-get update; apt-get --simulate upgrade: ' this will list all packages that would get messed up if you do something silly while using the tweaked sources.list. Then revert to normal by "mv BACKUP sources.list" and "apt-get update"05:49
golinuxdjph: Amprolla does pretty m=much that.  IIRC amproplla uses redirects to pull from the Debian repos but with filters to ban any packages requiring systemd06:18
DocScrutinizer05that's what >>nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla<< says, yes06:21
golinuxhttps://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla306:21
DocScrutinizer05ooh a new version :-)06:21
DocScrutinizer05!literal amprolla06:23
infobot"amprolla" is "<reply>nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla"06:23
DocScrutinizer05!amprolla is also https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla306:23
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0506:23
DocScrutinizer05!amprolla06:24
infobotnextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla306:24
erusimaHi. Does anyone know how to install devuan on headless system? Is it at least possible to boot it with sshd?17:34
aglhen will be devuan-ascii-2.0.0 released? On the mirrors there is a directory devuan_ascii with the date 2018-Jun-1.20:52
aglBut there is nothing inside20:52
KatolaZagl: when it' ready20:52
phoggsooner if you help20:52
agl:)20:53
aglI help for the ARM-Version20:53
aglparazyd is my adress20:53
KatolaZyou can use the RC in the meanwhile20:53
aglyes i download it in this moment20:54
aglth virtual discs for virtualbox and qemu20:55
msiismKatolaZ: so, is the plan to have a new installer ready when releasing Beowulf? (just curious)21:33
KatolaZmsiism: we are not releasing beowulf...22:03
fsmithrednot even for Christmas?22:04
KatolaZfsmithred: given that there are 365 days in a year, of which only 6 are after Christmas, there is a high probability that Beowulf's release data will be before Christmas22:08
KatolaZ:P22:08
msiismKatolaZ: i'm well aware that what is being released next is ASCII.22:09
KatolaZ(now, be careful I didn't specify the year, so I hope nobody goes on Dev1Galaxy saying that Beowulf will come next Christmas) :D22:09
golinuxCan we please just leave Christmas out of the equation.  It's such a downer.  How about solstice!22:12
golinuxAstronomical events are appropriate for Devuan22:12
* msiism sometimes feels like Devuan is an astronomical event.22:14
NewGnuGuyo/22:37
aglHow can I switch on the grafical login (lightdm) when I installed xfce4?23:24
golinuxslim is the default for xfce4.  iiuc lightdm requires a different *kit combo that may or may not be compatible with Xfce.23:29
aglok! How can I switch on (slim or lightdm)? I can only start Xwindows with "startx".23:31
aglI want the windows for login of X-Windows?23:34
gnarfaceusually works automatically once you install one of them23:35
aglok .. I will try23:35
gnarfacelightdm, gdm, xdm, kdm?  there are a few, i don't know what they're all called.23:35
aglThanks :)23:36
golinuxagl: Are you on jessie or ascii23:37
aglon ascii-rc23:37
aglthe virtual disc for quemu23:37
aglqemo23:38
golinuxOK.  Don't know about that method but I do know that's a backend problem with polkit/consolekit.23:39
KatolaZgolinux: there is no backend problem if the desktop is installed via tasksel23:47
KatolaZ(or by a user who actually knows what to install by hand:))23:47
aglOK I have selected over tasksel the installation  of xfce423:51

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