| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<KatolaZ> you must decide what you put in your sources.list, and nobody else)) ohmy you need to improve your help skills | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<KatolaZ> xrogaan: I already answered that question)) no you didn't | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xrogaan: I have no real clue but I'd prolly add the needed debian repo to sources.list (or even replace the devuan sources.list by the debian one temporarily), then apt-get update, apt-get install <x11 debug package>, and then immediately revert all edits I did to souces.list and run apt-get update again | 04:18 |
| xrogaan | the debug symbols aren't something threatening to the integrity of the system. What might be bad is if the symbols don't match the binary, in which case I won't be able to debug | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the point in this obvious statement? | 04:20 |
| xrogaan | I intend to remove the thing once I'm done with it. | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still... | 04:20 |
| xrogaan | I wouldn't replace my source.list with pure debian though :) | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you didn't understand how stuff works, did you? | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla | 04:21 |
| infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla | 04:21 |
| xrogaan | same packages but installed differently? | 04:21 |
| djph | nearly | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you change sources.list *temporarily* to allow installation of one single debian package not avaulable under amprolla merged | 04:22 |
| djph | weird that amprolla doesn't just 'fallthru' to debian proper | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then as I clearly stated you immediately revert all changes to your sources.list | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | djph: it does? | 04:23 |
| xrogaan | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah, that requires me remembering things. I wouldn't trust myself :) | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you can't remember that you did a "mv sources.list souces.list.ORIG" a 15min ago and you need to "mv sources.list.ORIG souces.list" after you're done instaling your package, then you actually have a much bigger problem that one software package missing | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in maemo you could have used a script I made, for exactly similar issue related to maemo-extras vs maemo-extras-devel repo, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/enable-catalogs -- however you still need to remeber to actually run the right commands | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xrogaan: there's only one simple rule: NEVER do an apt-get upgrade or install an arbitrary package as long as you run a modified sources.list. ONLY use modifications to sources.list TEMPORARILY to apt-get install <one-particular-package-not-available-otherwise> | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | djph: I think devuan lacks the one *new* debian repo that has debug packages - at least that's what I distilled from previous chat in here | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | djph: otherwise "fall through" is exactly how amprolla works | 05:01 |
| djph | ah, that's teh piece i was missin' then | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a nutshell devuan repo has redirects to debian(!) repo packages, except for those packages that got forked in devuan to neuter systemd | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see the links !amprolla provided above | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously when debian introduces a new repo (e.g. for debug packages) then amprolla needs to know about that and a equivalent new devuan repo needs to get created, to forward to the debian repo (except for those packages bla bla). This is what is missing here, so adding the original *new* debian repo to your sources list is a viable work around as long as you act careful and remove that repo from your sources.list as soon as you did | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you needed that new debian repo for, like installing a package with debug symbols | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTH | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* a possible alternative approach would be to simply download from debian repo and dpkg -i install the package you want | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | downside: no check for dependencies in dpkg -i | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to check for pending doom in tweaking sources.list, you could do (assuming your system is correctly up-to-date via apt-get upgrade etc): tweak souces.list ("cp sources.list BACKUP" first!), then apt-get update; apt-get --simulate upgrade: ' this will list all packages that would get messed up if you do something silly while using the tweaked sources.list. Then revert to normal by "mv BACKUP sources.list" and "apt-get update" | 05:49 |
| golinux | djph: Amprolla does pretty m=much that. IIRC amproplla uses redirects to pull from the Debian repos but with filters to ban any packages requiring systemd | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what >>nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla<< says, yes | 06:21 |
| golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh a new version :-) | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !literal amprolla | 06:23 |
| infobot | "amprolla" is "<reply>nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla" | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla is also https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 | 06:23 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla | 06:24 |
| infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 | 06:24 |
| erusima | Hi. Does anyone know how to install devuan on headless system? Is it at least possible to boot it with sshd? | 17:34 |
| agl | hen will be devuan-ascii-2.0.0 released? On the mirrors there is a directory devuan_ascii with the date 2018-Jun-1. | 20:52 |
| agl | But there is nothing inside | 20:52 |
| KatolaZ | agl: when it' ready | 20:52 |
| phogg | sooner if you help | 20:52 |
| agl | :) | 20:53 |
| agl | I help for the ARM-Version | 20:53 |
| agl | parazyd is my adress | 20:53 |
| KatolaZ | you can use the RC in the meanwhile | 20:53 |
| agl | yes i download it in this moment | 20:54 |
| agl | th virtual discs for virtualbox and qemu | 20:55 |
| msiism | KatolaZ: so, is the plan to have a new installer ready when releasing Beowulf? (just curious) | 21:33 |
| KatolaZ | msiism: we are not releasing beowulf... | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | not even for Christmas? | 22:04 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: given that there are 365 days in a year, of which only 6 are after Christmas, there is a high probability that Beowulf's release data will be before Christmas | 22:08 |
| KatolaZ | :P | 22:08 |
| msiism | KatolaZ: i'm well aware that what is being released next is ASCII. | 22:09 |
| KatolaZ | (now, be careful I didn't specify the year, so I hope nobody goes on Dev1Galaxy saying that Beowulf will come next Christmas) :D | 22:09 |
| golinux | Can we please just leave Christmas out of the equation. It's such a downer. How about solstice! | 22:12 |
| golinux | Astronomical events are appropriate for Devuan | 22:12 |
| * msiism sometimes feels like Devuan is an astronomical event. | 22:14 | |
| NewGnuGuy | o/ | 22:37 |
| agl | How can I switch on the grafical login (lightdm) when I installed xfce4? | 23:24 |
| golinux | slim is the default for xfce4. iiuc lightdm requires a different *kit combo that may or may not be compatible with Xfce. | 23:29 |
| agl | ok! How can I switch on (slim or lightdm)? I can only start Xwindows with "startx". | 23:31 |
| agl | I want the windows for login of X-Windows? | 23:34 |
| gnarface | usually works automatically once you install one of them | 23:35 |
| agl | ok .. I will try | 23:35 |
| gnarface | lightdm, gdm, xdm, kdm? there are a few, i don't know what they're all called. | 23:35 |
| agl | Thanks :) | 23:36 |
| golinux | agl: Are you on jessie or ascii | 23:37 |
| agl | on ascii-rc | 23:37 |
| agl | the virtual disc for quemu | 23:37 |
| agl | qemo | 23:38 |
| golinux | OK. Don't know about that method but I do know that's a backend problem with polkit/consolekit. | 23:39 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: there is no backend problem if the desktop is installed via tasksel | 23:47 |
| KatolaZ | (or by a user who actually knows what to install by hand:)) | 23:47 |
| agl | OK I have selected over tasksel the installation of xfce4 | 23:51 |
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