| paw | Hi, I'm hoping to migrate a system from debian testing (buster) to devuan, is there any straight forward way to do this? | 04:29 |
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| gnarface | paw: the process shouldn't be any different. devuan testing is called beowulf. it might be broken right now though. | 05:11 |
| golinux | paw: I can't remember if anyone has tried that yet. | 05:15 |
| golinux | Depends on your setup. Not much has been done on Beowulf yet. | 05:16 |
| ServiceRobot | hey peeps | 09:10 |
| ServiceRobot | I think I realized why openrc-init isn't quite working with me. it ignores ignore /etc/inittab, which means ttys are not spawned automatically for me | 09:13 |
| ServiceRobot | so it gets stuck at the default runlevel | 09:13 |
| ServiceRobot | thing is there doesn't seem to be any alternative service files I can find that would replace inittab, or call it directly from openrc | 09:21 |
| Pr0metheus | hi, I see there is a gnome package available, will it work if I install it? | 09:34 |
| ServiceRobot | I wouldn't even touch gnome if I were you | 09:34 |
| Pr0metheus | ok thank you | 09:35 |
| ServiceRobot | I'm not sure how functional it is in devuan without systemd. heard it's a pain to maintain without it but not sure | 09:35 |
| ServiceRobot | I would wait for someone with more information | 09:36 |
| Pr0metheus | could someone help me set the sources for ceres correctly: https://justpaste.it/4dce9 apt reports E: The repository 'https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres-updates Release' does not have a Release file. | 11:28 |
| Pr0metheus | N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. | 11:28 |
| Pr0metheus | ok found it:) | 11:36 |
| Pr0metheus | is there a way to download a package manually? I need to fix somehow eudev as it has dependency problems on ceres but there are no download links in https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=eudev&release=ceres | 12:55 |
| djph | Pr0metheus: probably a debian-native package then | 12:55 |
| Pr0metheus | eudev does not exist in debian, it's a devuan package | 12:56 |
| Pr0metheus | it's the fork from gentoo, if I am correct | 12:57 |
| koollman | on a remote server where I cannot boot iso or pxe (but I can wipe it as much as I want), what would be a good way to install devuan ? trying to go from jessie->devuan ascii, or creating a chroot then trying to boot into it? or is there some equivalent to hd-media for the installer ? | 20:19 |
| koollman | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii or https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/jessie-minimal-install I guess | 20:27 |
| gnarface | you mean debian jessie to devuan ascii? | 20:31 |
| gnarface | or devuan jessie to devuan ascii? | 20:31 |
| ErRandir | can you create a VM and install it in there? | 20:31 |
| gnarface | (in most cases, either will work, but the problems you might run into won't be testable in a VM and won't be fixable remotely if it fails to reboot due to hardware compatibility issues) | 20:32 |
| koollman | to devuan ascii | 20:33 |
| koollman | I'm fairly sure hardware compat is ok. old-ish hardware | 20:33 |
| koollman | at worst I will reinstall the server and try again | 20:34 |
| koollman | ErRandir: I could. but I want devuan as the base os | 20:34 |
| gnarface | koollman: i've successfully upgraded several things directly from jessie->jessie, as well as from jessie->ascii. either should work. | 20:40 |
| ErRandir | so do you want to install devuan using a HDD partition? | 20:40 |
| gnarface | koollman: things that can go wrong that aren't related to kernel regressions would typically be caused by prior mixing of distro versions or 3rd party repos | 20:40 |
| koollman | ErRandir: I consider it, as one option | 20:41 |
| koollman | debian jessie to devuan ascii seems to be the simplest option | 20:41 |
| gnarface | if you're not using a graphical login manager, it might be. | 20:41 |
| koollman | unless I can make some system from debootstrap and boot on it (so I would be sure to have no debian leftover) | 20:42 |
| gnarface | i've successfully installed with devuan's debootstrap too. i don't know if they ever patched debian's to work with devuan or not. | 20:42 |
| koollman | I won't be using a login manager, or a window manager. this is just a ssh server that will run some process. And maybe lxc, depending how that works | 20:42 |
| gnarface | the package-conflict problems i've run into were all to do with conflicting polkit stuff for graphical login. | 20:43 |
| gnarface | if you don't have any of that stuff installed you probably won't run into problems. | 20:44 |
| gnarface | as always, you should make a backup first, just in case. | 20:44 |
| koollman | no data :) | 20:44 |
| koollman | (so I'm confident that I can fail a few times, because I litteraly have nothing to lose on that machine. at worst I'll reset it with an automated debian install or boot to rescue) | 20:45 |
| gnarface | oh i did run into one problem with reiserfs due to a broken wrapper script and bad luck | 20:46 |
| gnarface | the same problem might affect other filesystems | 20:46 |
| gnarface | but not ext4 (because they didn't break the wrapper script for it) | 20:46 |
| koollman | I'll use ext4 or xfs. And I may try zfsonlinux (but not on root) later to see if it can be compiled/loaded on a devuan kernel (which should be pretty close to debian, right?) | 20:49 |
| gnarface | koollman: the kernel is identical. it's not even repackaged. | 20:56 |
| gnarface | koollman: also fyi i've even successfully upgraded systems from debian wheezy to devuan jessie | 20:57 |
| koollman | good. then it should mostly work, although I may have to rebuild zfsonlinux packages to change some depends | 20:58 |
| gnarface | in ascii and jessie, everything that could have systemd dependencies removed by simply repackaging, has been | 21:00 |
| gnarface | everything else has been banned | 21:01 |
| gnarface | but the vast majority of packages remain unaltered | 21:01 |
| gnarface | (even up to the point that the udev daemon is still obnoxiously called 'systemd-udevd' despite not actually requiring systemd anymore) | 21:04 |
| Pr0metheus | is anyone running qemu successfully? I am receiving an error "no polkit agent" | 21:05 |
| gnarface | i'm not using it right now but it was still working in ceres very recently.... | 21:06 |
| gnarface | maybe you're missing or have the wrong polkit package installed? | 21:06 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 21:06 |
| gnarface | no that can't be it, because i don't have any polkit packages installed... | 21:06 |
| Pr0metheus | hmm, I remove all qemu packages, and reiinstalled, will try to remove all polkit and see | 21:07 |
| gnarface | are you on ascii? | 21:07 |
| Pr0metheus | ah no, it can't work, I am in ceres | 21:07 |
| Pr0metheus | If I remove polkit it will uninstall most... | 21:07 |
| gnarface | well, probably your graphical login manager | 21:08 |
| gnarface | what is your exact qemu command? | 21:08 |
| Pr0metheus | I use virt-manager | 21:08 |
| gnarface | ah | 21:08 |
| gnarface | virt-manager is suspect to me here | 21:08 |
| gnarface | well, to be fair, virt-manager is always suspect to me | 21:09 |
| Pr0metheus | I guess you mean I should try to use command line if possible? | 21:09 |
| gnarface | yea | 21:09 |
| gnarface | or at least figure out how virt-manager is calling it | 21:09 |
| gnarface | make sure it's right | 21:10 |
| gnarface | oh | 21:10 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 21:10 |
| gnarface | i wonder if it could just be a mundane permissions error though too | 21:10 |
| Pr0metheus | mundane/ | 21:10 |
| Pr0metheus | ? | 21:10 |
| gnarface | are you sure your user has access to /dev/kvm? | 21:10 |
| Pr0metheus | I added him to group kvm | 21:11 |
| gnarface | did you relog? | 21:11 |
| Pr0metheus | yes many times | 21:11 |
| gnarface | it was a thought | 21:11 |
| gnarface | what happens if you run it as root? | 21:11 |
| gnarface | same error? | 21:12 |
| Pr0metheus | let me check | 21:12 |
| Pr0metheus | cannot find suitable emulator | 21:12 |
| Pr0metheus | for x86x64 | 21:12 |
| gnarface | that's different | 21:12 |
| gnarface | that makes it sound like it's missing something | 21:13 |
| Pr0metheus | let me see for x86 package | 21:13 |
| gnarface | or calling the wrong qemu binary... | 21:13 |
| Pr0metheus | ok found a package qemu system x86 and installed it now it connects as root without error | 21:14 |
| Pr0metheus | ah wait | 21:15 |
| Pr0metheus | there is QEMU/KVM and QEMU/User session | 21:15 |
| Pr0metheus | now I can connect to user session | 21:15 |
| Pr0metheus | great:) It worked but will try to reboot and do it again and then I'll remove gnome-boxes:) | 21:17 |
| gnarface | cool | 21:18 |
| Pr0metheus | I changed from debian to devuan after reading some posts on systemd, which without knowing its inner parts I had a feeling the system was not working well | 21:19 |
| Pr0metheus | and got rid of pulseaudio after also reading some staff... | 21:19 |
| Pr0metheus | forgot to mention that with devuan I finally got rid of network-manager and no more problems on each login | 21:24 |
| gnarface | Pr0metheus: congrats :) welcome aboard | 21:30 |
| Pr0metheus | thanks | 21:31 |
| Pr0metheus | apart from a problem i found in eudev, the bad part is the look of xfce that my wife finds old-fashioned:P | 21:33 |
| gnarface | i don't like it either, personally | 21:33 |
| gnarface | but there are a bunch of alternatives in the repo. you can switch it, you know that, right? | 21:34 |
| Pr0metheus | yeap, but what else | 21:35 |
| Pr0metheus | is surely working? | 21:35 |
| gnarface | they should all work on ascii and jessie | 21:35 |
| gnarface | apt-cache search x-window-manager | 21:36 |
| Centurion_Dan | Pr0metheus: xfce is old fashioned?? no... it's functional and clean without being spartan. | 21:53 |
| Pr0metheus | Centurion_Dan yeah I agree, old-fashioned concerning its look, now I am looking at icon-sets and themes to make it look better:) | 21:54 |
| Pr0metheus | I guess you are not married:P | 21:54 |
| Centurion_Dan | Pr0metheus: I am actually, with 3 children - 2 at school and 1 preschool | 21:55 |
| Pr0metheus | you use the same computer with your wife? | 21:56 |
| Centurion_Dan | no, she's still on jessie actually - and even uses the stock xfce theme and background - she likes mice ;-) | 21:57 |
| Pr0metheus | lol | 21:58 |
| Centurion_Dan | I actually prefer the Devuan dark-purpy them on ascii! | 21:58 |
| Pr0metheus | well we went from gnome3 to xfce and it was a hit for her:P | 21:58 |
| Centurion_Dan | oh you poor things... I really feel for you... how did you cope living in that padded room (gnome3)?? | 21:59 |
| gnarface | try kde? | 21:59 |
| Pr0metheus | tried it in the past and not very fond of it | 22:00 |
| Pr0metheus | I think I can manage to make xfce look better, there are some videos I am looking at:P | 22:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | I looked at gnome3 once... and nearly vommited... how do you??... what you mean?? ... click click ... what?? where's my work gone ??!!! ... aaaaahhh!!!! | 22:02 |
| Pr0metheus | Centurion_Dan well when I got used to it was ok | 22:03 |
| golinux | Pr0metheus: What exactly don't you like with the Devuan default Xfce theme. Careful . . . this is a trick question | 22:07 |
| Pr0metheus | golinux well if you didn't catchup with the previous conversation, after I installed it my wife told me that it looks old-fashioned and she didn't like it, now I am changing the icons and the theme | 22:08 |
| Pr0metheus | golinux moka icons look much better than the default | 22:17 |
| golinux | Pr0metheus: It looks classic and minimal to me | 22:17 |
| golinux | Eeeeewwwww! | 22:17 |
| golinux | moka icons are crass and disharmonious | 22:20 |
| golinux | Does not create a peaceful, concentrated environment to work in. | 22:20 |
| Centurion_Dan | golinux: now now.. not everybody shares your tastes.. some have been ruined by windows 8... possibly for ever... | 22:21 |
| golinux | Oh well, choice is a good thing. | 22:21 |
| Centurion_Dan | ;o) | 22:21 |
| golinux | Win Me was the only windows I ever used. | 22:22 |
| Centurion_Dan | that explains alot!! ;-P | 22:22 |
| golinux | Care to explain what that explains? Went from Me to Redhat (before ubuntu had arrived) | 22:23 |
| golinux | We had a RH evangelist in our local LUG | 22:24 |
| golinux | But this is way OT | 22:24 |
| Pr0metheus | well I was a DOS->Windows->(tried Linux 22 years ago and only crashed)->Windows....up to 10->Debian->Devuan | 22:29 |
| Hurgotron | 22 years ago I was already administrationa Linux web server. But still on (classic) MacOS on the desktop. | 22:32 |
| Hurgotron | *administrating | 22:32 |
| Pr0metheus | that must have been rough, 22 years ago | 22:35 |
| Hurgotron | The Linux or the Mac? :) | 22:36 |
| Pr0metheus | the linux, I never actually used Mac, only once tested it on Virtual box for 1 hour.... | 22:36 |
| Pr0metheus | we had 2 linux servers and I moved them to windows server as the attacks we received required one person only to look after them:P | 22:37 |
| Pr0metheus | now a serious question, will we see Google as devuan sponsor in 6 months?:P | 22:40 |
| Hurgotron | The Linux server (RedHat 4.2, if I remember correctly) was super stable and the command line was not that much different. There were attacks, and I was using plain telnet initially (ssh was brand new at that time), but it taught me a lot about securing systems. | 22:43 |
| golinux | Pr0metheus: ROTFLMAO | 23:03 |
| Centurion_Dan | Pr0metheus: hell noo!!! Google == censorship == slavery | 23:07 |
| tradar | Pr0metheus: https://fuckoffgoogle.de | 23:08 |
| Pr0metheus | :D | 23:10 |
| golinux | tradar: Great site! (If a little too "mobile for me) | 23:29 |
| tradar | :) | 23:29 |
| tradar | golinux: there is also a simple wiki-like homepage https://wiki.fuckoffgoogle.de | 23:31 |
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