libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2018-08-23

Pilgrimmlsb?00:00
gnarfaceno lsb-desktop, specifically00:00
gnarfacei'm curious what's different about it since i don't seem to have ever run into it...00:00
Pilgrimmwell again when I try to install lsb, I believe it requres lsb-desktop as a dependency00:00
gnarfaceit could be broken00:01
gnarfaceis it basically just a list of packages?00:01
gnarfaceof other packages to install?00:01
Pilgrimmwhen I run sudo apt install lsb it just lists lsb-desktop having an unmet dependency00:02
Pilgrimmapt-get returns the same thing00:02
gnarfaceright, but we know it's libpng12 right?00:02
Pilgrimmthat's what aptitude states, yes00:03
Pilgrimmlsb-desktop (install, 4.1+devuan2) depends on libpng12-0 [UNAVAILABLE]00:04
gnarfacethis link claims debian abandoned lsb https://www.cendio.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=582800:04
gnarfaceit points to this discussion: https://lists.debian.org/debian-lsb/2015/07/msg00000.html00:04
gnarfacei could walk you through rebuilding the package to look for libpng16 instead, but i can't actually guarantee that will work.00:05
gnarfaceit might not build right00:06
gnarfaceor it might build right and just crash when you run it00:06
gnarfacefor that matter it might work perfectly and just hose your system, because apparently Debian stopped caring about it upstream with stretch00:06
PilgrimmYeah, I'd preferrably like to try to rebuild it considering these printer drivers basically need lsb...00:08
Pilgrimmthat's all it needs really, not sure if it needs anything else00:08
gnarfacewell00:08
gnarfaceif it's just about build deps for something else00:08
gnarfaceit might be easier to get them with "apt-get build-dep [package name]"00:08
gnarfacehmmm00:09
gnarfaceheh00:09
gnarfacei had another thought: you could also try to build libpng1200:09
gnarfacei'm not sure which would be easier00:09
gnarfaceit's clearly capable of cohabitating with with libpng1600:10
Pilgrimmthat might be a better idea come to think of it00:10
Pilgrimmok00:10
Pilgrimmhow do I do that00:10
gnarfacethis might get weird00:10
MinceRthat's what she said.00:10
gnarfacebasically you want to follow the instructions for backporting but use jessie00:11
gnarfaceso you want to add just the deb-src line for jessie to your sources.list temporarily00:11
gnarfacethen (i think) "apt-get -t jessie source libpng12-0"00:11
gnarfacesomething like that anyway.  that will just download the source package and you can take the jessie deb-src line out of your sources.list again after00:12
gnarfacethen you might want to `apt-get build-dep libpng16-16`00:13
gnarfacethe deps should mostly be the same00:13
gnarfaceit's a good staring point anyway00:13
gnarfaceand i think you need `apt-get build-essential`00:13
gnarfaceor no, `apt-get install build-essential` i mean00:13
gnarfacethen if you're lucky all you have to do is cd into the libpng12 source dir and run dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc00:14
gnarfacethat doesn't guarantee it will build right00:15
gnarfacebut it follows all the rules and if it does build right should at least give you packages that won't break anything else00:15
Pilgrimmholy crap00:18
Pilgrimmthat did it00:18
Pilgrimmhahahaha00:18
gnarfaceyou're kidding me00:18
Pilgrimmthank you so much00:18
gnarfaceno problem00:18
PilgrimmI didn't even have to use deb-src00:18
gnarfacewas the libpng12 source still in the ascii repos?00:18
bkeysHey guys, I put devuan on my c201 chromebook and I'm in a live environment00:18
bkeysCan someone tell me how to install it to say, a usb drive?00:18
PilgrimmI don't think so, I just added a line referring to the jessie repos and that did it00:19
gnarfacePilgrimm: ohhhhhh, you mean you just installed the libpng12 binary from the jessie repos?  that's kinda a no-no, but it might not give you any problems in the long run in this particular case00:20
Pilgrimmahhhhhh00:20
gnarfacePilgrimm: if you get unexpected crashing/segfaults/freezes/glitches or the like, then try it my way00:21
Pilgrimmwhat are the issues it could cause, exactly?00:21
Pilgrimmokay00:21
gnarfaceit could cause like crashes or memory leaks00:21
gnarfacethat type of thing00:21
Pilgrimmyeah if anything screwy happens I'll try that method00:21
golinuxPilgrimm: libpng12 ia onlt available in jessie00:26
golinuxhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=libpng12&release=any00:26
golinuxThat's the best place to check on package availability00:26
gnarfaceoh yea, bookmark this, Pilgrimm, it's useful^00:28
Pilgrimmyeah I checked that earlier actually00:29
PilgrimmI'll bookmark it00:30
golinuxPilgrimm: You might also find this discussion interesting: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170509.213658.2117fd60.en.html00:34
Pilgrimmthanks for the link, that's interesting actually00:43
Pilgrimmby the way the drivers work great, thanks for your help again gnarface00:44
fsmithredam I here?01:07
golinuxfsmithred: Finally!  Pittsburgh?01:10
fsmithredradio station01:10
golinuxAh . . .01:11
fsmithredI upgraded the studio box to jessie01:11
fsmithredand the cdrom got lost01:11
golinuxTo jessie?  Not ascii?01:11
fsmithredyeah, to jessie.01:12
golinuxFrom wheezy?01:12
fsmithredyeah01:12
golinuxwow!01:12
fsmithredcan't use ascii yet, because the radio software hasn't been debianized yet.01:12
golinuxCan we chat later?  Got to get back to the kitchen01:13
fsmithredyup01:13
fsmithredand we should do it privately01:13
Centurion_Dananybody here using php7.0-fpm?01:13
bkeysWhat is the currently most up to date kernel for devuan?01:28
fsmithredsame as debian01:28
fsmithredbkeys, linux-image-4.9.0-8 in ascii (stretch)01:31
fsmithred4.17 in backports01:40
bkeysYeah I need to upgrade to stretch from jessie01:45
fsmithredstretch? or ascii?01:49
bkeysstretch01:49
bkeysI just need kernel > 4.801:49
bkeyshttps://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201#Installing_to_internal_memory_from_SD_card01:49
bkeysI want to interface with the eMMC of my C201 chromebook01:49
gnarfaceif you mean devuan, you mean ascii, not stretch01:50
fsmithredwell, I don't think anyone has tested that particular upgrade, but it should work01:50
fsmithredif you want to switch from devuan to debian, remove the pin on systemd-sysv in /etc/apt/preferences.d01:51
ErRandirif you just need the kernel yuo could just build and install just the kernel01:55
gnarfacei'm sure it's in backports too01:55
bkeysI'm just running the upgrade and seeing what it does, the chromebook is in the corning humming away at it01:55
bkeysWill be reporting how it goes01:55
fsmithredok, but are you upgrading to devuan or to debian? That's not clear.01:56
bkeysPretty sure it'll still be devuan when it's finished but I don't care what it is, so long as it works and it has a high enough kernel version01:57
bkeysMy intention in the end is to interface with the eMMC and install Fedora on the eMMC01:57
bkeysAnd not use any debian-based distros on it. It's just atm this is the only thing I could get to boot on the chromebook so that is what I am using01:57
bkeysAll I did was change my sources.list to point directly to the debian repos01:58
fsmithredok, don't mix debian and devuan repos01:58
bkeysIt's not mixed, I commented out all the stuff that was there by default01:58
xrogaanI did not realize, but the version of mesa drivers available on ascii is ancient.02:26
gnarfacewhat version is in ascii-ackports?02:27
gnarfacemesa is something that changes so much lately you almost have to build it yourself to keep up02:27
xrogaanbackports is the most recent one02:30
xrogaan17.3.9-1~bpo9+102:30
gnarfacei'm not sure, but i think you may also need the kernel and xorg from backports to use it02:31
xrogaanaaaw: NOTE: It is anticipated that 17.3.9 will be the final release in the 17.3 series. Users of 17.3 are encouraged to migrate to the 18.0 series in order to obtain future fixes.02:32
xrogaanthere is no xorg from backport02:33
gnarfaceno?  oh02:33
gnarfacei might have been thinking of jessie02:34
xrogaanit requires libdrm02:35
xrogaanlibdrm doesn't depend on anything.02:36
xrogaanwell, just libc.02:36
bigratgot a new xps 9570 here, and can't seem to get devuan ascii booting on it. it doesn't look like legacy boot options work so well here. anyone ever got efi boot working for devuan?05:27
DocScrutinizer05fsmithred and @all: would you want to evaluate if infobot's d* commands are useful (and working)? d=debian.  dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dstats05:28
DocScrutinizer05!+help dstats05:29
infobot   Desc: Show basic stats on the current size of the Debian distros05:29
infobot  Usage: dstats [dist]05:29
infobotExample: dstats05:29
infobotExample: dstats potato05:29
DocScrutinizer05!+help dauthor05:29
infobot   Desc: Find Debian package maintainers, and list the packages they maintain05:29
infobot  Usage: dauthor <string> [dist]05:29
infobotExample: dauthor Wichert05:29
infobotExample: dauthor Wichert potato05:29
DocScrutinizer05oops missed a few05:31
DocScrutinizer05!+help dfind05:31
infobot   Desc: Debian Packages (fallback to Contents) search05:31
infobot  Usage: dfind <string> [dist]05:31
infobotExample: dfind strings.h05:31
infobotExample: dfind x11amp potato05:31
DocScrutinizer05I guess some of the commands are bitrotten and won't work anymore. I only can try getting fixed what I know is broken, though05:33
DocScrutinizer05I'm not savvy enough with debian packaging to run tests with meaningful input data and check for a reasonable result. All I do know: first invokation of a command of the d* group takes a while since the bot obviously updates its databases (apt update)05:35
bigratwell, I've answered my own question: if you want to get devuan working on an xps 15 9570:06:25
bigrat1) you have to disable secure boot, but leave uefi enabled. legacy options do *nothing*06:26
bigrat2) force uefi during the devuan install. make sure to boot uefi install and not legacy.06:26
bigrat3) once you install, go back to the bios and add a uefi boot option for your new efi partition and point at the /boot/efi/EFI/devuan/grubx64.efi06:28
grobbulusHi guys I have a question. During the installation when GRUB is being installed theres a message saying that 'it seems my computer is configured to boot from EFI' and it asked me if i wanted to install grub in a fallback sector yadda yadda. I installed fine, but I'm curious to know if I did something for that to appear, as I had always used MBR, or if that depends on my hardware (for example I installed with a GPT table before)06:28
grobbulusAlso I have BIOS06:29
bigratyour laptop is configured to boot from both legacy bios and efi. you probably defaulted to the efi boot, but since you have legacy enabled, the machine detected mbr and booted from it06:30
grobbulusI see, and can I change that configuration? and how is it that it defaults to efi? Could it have been me by installing a GPT table in a previous install?06:33
bigratto clarify: your bios is set to allow both legacy and uefi, I think06:34
bigratI would bet that it defaults to uefi06:34
bigratthe dvd iso installer supports the uefi boot, so it gets used06:34
bigratwhen you install, you end up installing grub, such that it writes mbr06:35
bigratcomputer reboots, bios now does not detect installer efi, but does detect hard drive mbr and boots from it06:35
bigratthis is my guess ;)06:35
grobbulusah right. I had donde previous installs with debian and never got the message but once I did "expert mode" install and the message popped up. maybe in regular install it just chooses by default what to do06:36
grobbulusthank you btw06:36
bigratnp06:36
grobbulusone final question, that configuration would be of BIOS config and not depend on anything that would be on the hard drive right?06:39
bigratmbr vs uefi?06:40
bigratit's an unholy matrimony of the install *and* the bios06:40
bigratthey both have to play nice to work right. I think you just got lucky ;)06:41
grobbulusI mean my previous GPT table is irrelevant to this if during the install I deleted all partitions no? Im just worried I messed things up doing a BIOS GPT table :P06:44
grobbulusin my previous arch install06:44
DocScrutinizer05OHMY!! I just ran into `man hostnamectl` - yet another cruft POS courtesy systemd & Poettering07:14
DocScrutinizer05WTF been wrong with `cat /etc/hostname`, `echo ACMEhost >/etc/hostname`07:16
* DocScrutinizer05 things somebody is sitting there watching the monitor and jerking off each time a "*ctl* command name flies by07:18
DocScrutinizer05https://pastebin.com/5HqW6rC607:19
TomKahi, just upgraded a devuan jessie desktop box to ascii. after that network, mouse, keyboard does not work. I guess upgrade from udev -> eudev went wrong. booted from sysresccd and chrootet to devuan ascii. what can i do to fix that?07:24
TomKaon booting i can see a message like "initramfs no symbol table found"08:32
TomKa"press key to continue" after a few seconds booting is going on08:32
xkr47wohoo, my first PR! https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/lsb/merge_requests/410:00
Centurion_DanDocScrutinizer05: Poettering is a "ctl" freak11:08
Centurion_DanTomKa: sounds like you failed to build the initramfs for the new kernel installed during the upgrade... very odd if that was the case.11:10
TomKaCenturion_Dan: yeah really odd, because no mouse, keyboard and no network ;-) switched back to devuan jessie, because this box is needed today. will try it again in a few days11:14
TomKaand then i will look especially to initramfs11:15
Centurion_Danthe only thing I can think of that would cause that is if the upgrade failed for some reason... or your /boot is on it's own partition and filled up...11:16
Centurion_Danbut you should have seen that failure reported at the end..11:17
telmichgood evening20:04
gnarfacetelmich: just a tip about the perversity of IRC etiquette:  greetings usually go unacknowledged.  if you've got a question just ask it.  don't wait for permission to ask.  if someone can answer they will.20:09
gnarfacetelmich: (the converse of that is that if you open with "test" someone will often take that seriously and acknowledge you)20:10
gnarfacei'm only mentioning this because i'm the last person on IRC who still remembers what it was like to be a normal person20:10
MinceRlol20:15
sixwheeledbeastWho wants to be normal20:27
BeerbelottDevuan's bug tracker *works*! https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=23620:38
BeerbelottIt seems Debian folks do not like it much when Devuan is mentioned: I took that as an opportunity to push them away from their daemons: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=90700320:39
DocScrutinizer05test20:42
DocScrutinizer05!ugt20:42
infobotfrom memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html20:42
DocScrutinizer05good morning telmich20:43
golinuxGood afternoon telmich!20:44
golinuxafk20:44
telmichgood to see you, DocScrutinizer05 & golinux !21:13
telmichgnarface: no problem, I'm not a normale person either21:14
gnarfacesorry telmich, my mistake21:32

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