Pilgrimm | lsb? | 00:00 |
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gnarface | no lsb-desktop, specifically | 00:00 |
gnarface | i'm curious what's different about it since i don't seem to have ever run into it... | 00:00 |
Pilgrimm | well again when I try to install lsb, I believe it requres lsb-desktop as a dependency | 00:00 |
gnarface | it could be broken | 00:01 |
gnarface | is it basically just a list of packages? | 00:01 |
gnarface | of other packages to install? | 00:01 |
Pilgrimm | when I run sudo apt install lsb it just lists lsb-desktop having an unmet dependency | 00:02 |
Pilgrimm | apt-get returns the same thing | 00:02 |
gnarface | right, but we know it's libpng12 right? | 00:02 |
Pilgrimm | that's what aptitude states, yes | 00:03 |
Pilgrimm | lsb-desktop (install, 4.1+devuan2) depends on libpng12-0 [UNAVAILABLE] | 00:04 |
gnarface | this link claims debian abandoned lsb https://www.cendio.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5828 | 00:04 |
gnarface | it points to this discussion: https://lists.debian.org/debian-lsb/2015/07/msg00000.html | 00:04 |
gnarface | i could walk you through rebuilding the package to look for libpng16 instead, but i can't actually guarantee that will work. | 00:05 |
gnarface | it might not build right | 00:06 |
gnarface | or it might build right and just crash when you run it | 00:06 |
gnarface | for that matter it might work perfectly and just hose your system, because apparently Debian stopped caring about it upstream with stretch | 00:06 |
Pilgrimm | Yeah, I'd preferrably like to try to rebuild it considering these printer drivers basically need lsb... | 00:08 |
Pilgrimm | that's all it needs really, not sure if it needs anything else | 00:08 |
gnarface | well | 00:08 |
gnarface | if it's just about build deps for something else | 00:08 |
gnarface | it might be easier to get them with "apt-get build-dep [package name]" | 00:08 |
gnarface | hmmm | 00:09 |
gnarface | heh | 00:09 |
gnarface | i had another thought: you could also try to build libpng12 | 00:09 |
gnarface | i'm not sure which would be easier | 00:09 |
gnarface | it's clearly capable of cohabitating with with libpng16 | 00:10 |
Pilgrimm | that might be a better idea come to think of it | 00:10 |
Pilgrimm | ok | 00:10 |
Pilgrimm | how do I do that | 00:10 |
gnarface | this might get weird | 00:10 |
MinceR | that's what she said. | 00:10 |
gnarface | basically you want to follow the instructions for backporting but use jessie | 00:11 |
gnarface | so you want to add just the deb-src line for jessie to your sources.list temporarily | 00:11 |
gnarface | then (i think) "apt-get -t jessie source libpng12-0" | 00:11 |
gnarface | something like that anyway. that will just download the source package and you can take the jessie deb-src line out of your sources.list again after | 00:12 |
gnarface | then you might want to `apt-get build-dep libpng16-16` | 00:13 |
gnarface | the deps should mostly be the same | 00:13 |
gnarface | it's a good staring point anyway | 00:13 |
gnarface | and i think you need `apt-get build-essential` | 00:13 |
gnarface | or no, `apt-get install build-essential` i mean | 00:13 |
gnarface | then if you're lucky all you have to do is cd into the libpng12 source dir and run dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc | 00:14 |
gnarface | that doesn't guarantee it will build right | 00:15 |
gnarface | but it follows all the rules and if it does build right should at least give you packages that won't break anything else | 00:15 |
Pilgrimm | holy crap | 00:18 |
Pilgrimm | that did it | 00:18 |
Pilgrimm | hahahaha | 00:18 |
gnarface | you're kidding me | 00:18 |
Pilgrimm | thank you so much | 00:18 |
gnarface | no problem | 00:18 |
Pilgrimm | I didn't even have to use deb-src | 00:18 |
gnarface | was the libpng12 source still in the ascii repos? | 00:18 |
bkeys | Hey guys, I put devuan on my c201 chromebook and I'm in a live environment | 00:18 |
bkeys | Can someone tell me how to install it to say, a usb drive? | 00:18 |
Pilgrimm | I don't think so, I just added a line referring to the jessie repos and that did it | 00:19 |
gnarface | Pilgrimm: ohhhhhh, you mean you just installed the libpng12 binary from the jessie repos? that's kinda a no-no, but it might not give you any problems in the long run in this particular case | 00:20 |
Pilgrimm | ahhhhhh | 00:20 |
gnarface | Pilgrimm: if you get unexpected crashing/segfaults/freezes/glitches or the like, then try it my way | 00:21 |
Pilgrimm | what are the issues it could cause, exactly? | 00:21 |
Pilgrimm | okay | 00:21 |
gnarface | it could cause like crashes or memory leaks | 00:21 |
gnarface | that type of thing | 00:21 |
Pilgrimm | yeah if anything screwy happens I'll try that method | 00:21 |
golinux | Pilgrimm: libpng12 ia onlt available in jessie | 00:26 |
golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=libpng12&release=any | 00:26 |
golinux | That's the best place to check on package availability | 00:26 |
gnarface | oh yea, bookmark this, Pilgrimm, it's useful^ | 00:28 |
Pilgrimm | yeah I checked that earlier actually | 00:29 |
Pilgrimm | I'll bookmark it | 00:30 |
golinux | Pilgrimm: You might also find this discussion interesting: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170509.213658.2117fd60.en.html | 00:34 |
Pilgrimm | thanks for the link, that's interesting actually | 00:43 |
Pilgrimm | by the way the drivers work great, thanks for your help again gnarface | 00:44 |
fsmithred | am I here? | 01:07 |
golinux | fsmithred: Finally! Pittsburgh? | 01:10 |
fsmithred | radio station | 01:10 |
golinux | Ah . . . | 01:11 |
fsmithred | I upgraded the studio box to jessie | 01:11 |
fsmithred | and the cdrom got lost | 01:11 |
golinux | To jessie? Not ascii? | 01:11 |
fsmithred | yeah, to jessie. | 01:12 |
golinux | From wheezy? | 01:12 |
fsmithred | yeah | 01:12 |
golinux | wow! | 01:12 |
fsmithred | can't use ascii yet, because the radio software hasn't been debianized yet. | 01:12 |
golinux | Can we chat later? Got to get back to the kitchen | 01:13 |
fsmithred | yup | 01:13 |
fsmithred | and we should do it privately | 01:13 |
Centurion_Dan | anybody here using php7.0-fpm? | 01:13 |
bkeys | What is the currently most up to date kernel for devuan? | 01:28 |
fsmithred | same as debian | 01:28 |
fsmithred | bkeys, linux-image-4.9.0-8 in ascii (stretch) | 01:31 |
fsmithred | 4.17 in backports | 01:40 |
bkeys | Yeah I need to upgrade to stretch from jessie | 01:45 |
fsmithred | stretch? or ascii? | 01:49 |
bkeys | stretch | 01:49 |
bkeys | I just need kernel > 4.8 | 01:49 |
bkeys | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/C201#Installing_to_internal_memory_from_SD_card | 01:49 |
bkeys | I want to interface with the eMMC of my C201 chromebook | 01:49 |
gnarface | if you mean devuan, you mean ascii, not stretch | 01:50 |
fsmithred | well, I don't think anyone has tested that particular upgrade, but it should work | 01:50 |
fsmithred | if you want to switch from devuan to debian, remove the pin on systemd-sysv in /etc/apt/preferences.d | 01:51 |
ErRandir | if you just need the kernel yuo could just build and install just the kernel | 01:55 |
gnarface | i'm sure it's in backports too | 01:55 |
bkeys | I'm just running the upgrade and seeing what it does, the chromebook is in the corning humming away at it | 01:55 |
bkeys | Will be reporting how it goes | 01:55 |
fsmithred | ok, but are you upgrading to devuan or to debian? That's not clear. | 01:56 |
bkeys | Pretty sure it'll still be devuan when it's finished but I don't care what it is, so long as it works and it has a high enough kernel version | 01:57 |
bkeys | My intention in the end is to interface with the eMMC and install Fedora on the eMMC | 01:57 |
bkeys | And not use any debian-based distros on it. It's just atm this is the only thing I could get to boot on the chromebook so that is what I am using | 01:57 |
bkeys | All I did was change my sources.list to point directly to the debian repos | 01:58 |
fsmithred | ok, don't mix debian and devuan repos | 01:58 |
bkeys | It's not mixed, I commented out all the stuff that was there by default | 01:58 |
xrogaan | I did not realize, but the version of mesa drivers available on ascii is ancient. | 02:26 |
gnarface | what version is in ascii-ackports? | 02:27 |
gnarface | mesa is something that changes so much lately you almost have to build it yourself to keep up | 02:27 |
xrogaan | backports is the most recent one | 02:30 |
xrogaan | 17.3.9-1~bpo9+1 | 02:30 |
gnarface | i'm not sure, but i think you may also need the kernel and xorg from backports to use it | 02:31 |
xrogaan | aaaw: NOTE: It is anticipated that 17.3.9 will be the final release in the 17.3 series. Users of 17.3 are encouraged to migrate to the 18.0 series in order to obtain future fixes. | 02:32 |
xrogaan | there is no xorg from backport | 02:33 |
gnarface | no? oh | 02:33 |
gnarface | i might have been thinking of jessie | 02:34 |
xrogaan | it requires libdrm | 02:35 |
xrogaan | libdrm doesn't depend on anything. | 02:36 |
xrogaan | well, just libc. | 02:36 |
bigrat | got a new xps 9570 here, and can't seem to get devuan ascii booting on it. it doesn't look like legacy boot options work so well here. anyone ever got efi boot working for devuan? | 05:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred and @all: would you want to evaluate if infobot's d* commands are useful (and working)? d=debian. dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dstats | 05:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dstats | 05:29 |
infobot | Desc: Show basic stats on the current size of the Debian distros | 05:29 |
infobot | Usage: dstats [dist] | 05:29 |
infobot | Example: dstats | 05:29 |
infobot | Example: dstats potato | 05:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dauthor | 05:29 |
infobot | Desc: Find Debian package maintainers, and list the packages they maintain | 05:29 |
infobot | Usage: dauthor <string> [dist] | 05:29 |
infobot | Example: dauthor Wichert | 05:29 |
infobot | Example: dauthor Wichert potato | 05:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | oops missed a few | 05:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !+help dfind | 05:31 |
infobot | Desc: Debian Packages (fallback to Contents) search | 05:31 |
infobot | Usage: dfind <string> [dist] | 05:31 |
infobot | Example: dfind strings.h | 05:31 |
infobot | Example: dfind x11amp potato | 05:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I guess some of the commands are bitrotten and won't work anymore. I only can try getting fixed what I know is broken, though | 05:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not savvy enough with debian packaging to run tests with meaningful input data and check for a reasonable result. All I do know: first invokation of a command of the d* group takes a while since the bot obviously updates its databases (apt update) | 05:35 |
bigrat | well, I've answered my own question: if you want to get devuan working on an xps 15 9570: | 06:25 |
bigrat | 1) you have to disable secure boot, but leave uefi enabled. legacy options do *nothing* | 06:26 |
bigrat | 2) force uefi during the devuan install. make sure to boot uefi install and not legacy. | 06:26 |
bigrat | 3) once you install, go back to the bios and add a uefi boot option for your new efi partition and point at the /boot/efi/EFI/devuan/grubx64.efi | 06:28 |
grobbulus | Hi guys I have a question. During the installation when GRUB is being installed theres a message saying that 'it seems my computer is configured to boot from EFI' and it asked me if i wanted to install grub in a fallback sector yadda yadda. I installed fine, but I'm curious to know if I did something for that to appear, as I had always used MBR, or if that depends on my hardware (for example I installed with a GPT table before) | 06:28 |
grobbulus | Also I have BIOS | 06:29 |
bigrat | your laptop is configured to boot from both legacy bios and efi. you probably defaulted to the efi boot, but since you have legacy enabled, the machine detected mbr and booted from it | 06:30 |
grobbulus | I see, and can I change that configuration? and how is it that it defaults to efi? Could it have been me by installing a GPT table in a previous install? | 06:33 |
bigrat | to clarify: your bios is set to allow both legacy and uefi, I think | 06:34 |
bigrat | I would bet that it defaults to uefi | 06:34 |
bigrat | the dvd iso installer supports the uefi boot, so it gets used | 06:34 |
bigrat | when you install, you end up installing grub, such that it writes mbr | 06:35 |
bigrat | computer reboots, bios now does not detect installer efi, but does detect hard drive mbr and boots from it | 06:35 |
bigrat | this is my guess ;) | 06:35 |
grobbulus | ah right. I had donde previous installs with debian and never got the message but once I did "expert mode" install and the message popped up. maybe in regular install it just chooses by default what to do | 06:36 |
grobbulus | thank you btw | 06:36 |
bigrat | np | 06:36 |
grobbulus | one final question, that configuration would be of BIOS config and not depend on anything that would be on the hard drive right? | 06:39 |
bigrat | mbr vs uefi? | 06:40 |
bigrat | it's an unholy matrimony of the install *and* the bios | 06:40 |
bigrat | they both have to play nice to work right. I think you just got lucky ;) | 06:41 |
grobbulus | I mean my previous GPT table is irrelevant to this if during the install I deleted all partitions no? Im just worried I messed things up doing a BIOS GPT table :P | 06:44 |
grobbulus | in my previous arch install | 06:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | OHMY!! I just ran into `man hostnamectl` - yet another cruft POS courtesy systemd & Poettering | 07:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | WTF been wrong with `cat /etc/hostname`, `echo ACMEhost >/etc/hostname` | 07:16 |
* DocScrutinizer05 things somebody is sitting there watching the monitor and jerking off each time a "*ctl* command name flies by | 07:18 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://pastebin.com/5HqW6rC6 | 07:19 |
TomKa | hi, just upgraded a devuan jessie desktop box to ascii. after that network, mouse, keyboard does not work. I guess upgrade from udev -> eudev went wrong. booted from sysresccd and chrootet to devuan ascii. what can i do to fix that? | 07:24 |
TomKa | on booting i can see a message like "initramfs no symbol table found" | 08:32 |
TomKa | "press key to continue" after a few seconds booting is going on | 08:32 |
xkr47 | wohoo, my first PR! https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/lsb/merge_requests/4 | 10:00 |
Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: Poettering is a "ctl" freak | 11:08 |
Centurion_Dan | TomKa: sounds like you failed to build the initramfs for the new kernel installed during the upgrade... very odd if that was the case. | 11:10 |
TomKa | Centurion_Dan: yeah really odd, because no mouse, keyboard and no network ;-) switched back to devuan jessie, because this box is needed today. will try it again in a few days | 11:14 |
TomKa | and then i will look especially to initramfs | 11:15 |
Centurion_Dan | the only thing I can think of that would cause that is if the upgrade failed for some reason... or your /boot is on it's own partition and filled up... | 11:16 |
Centurion_Dan | but you should have seen that failure reported at the end.. | 11:17 |
telmich | good evening | 20:04 |
gnarface | telmich: just a tip about the perversity of IRC etiquette: greetings usually go unacknowledged. if you've got a question just ask it. don't wait for permission to ask. if someone can answer they will. | 20:09 |
gnarface | telmich: (the converse of that is that if you open with "test" someone will often take that seriously and acknowledge you) | 20:10 |
gnarface | i'm only mentioning this because i'm the last person on IRC who still remembers what it was like to be a normal person | 20:10 |
MinceR | lol | 20:15 |
sixwheeledbeast | Who wants to be normal | 20:27 |
Beerbelott | Devuan's bug tracker *works*! https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=236 | 20:38 |
Beerbelott | It seems Debian folks do not like it much when Devuan is mentioned: I took that as an opportunity to push them away from their daemons: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=907003 | 20:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | test | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !ugt | 20:42 |
infobot | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | good morning telmich | 20:43 |
golinux | Good afternoon telmich! | 20:44 |
golinux | afk | 20:44 |
telmich | good to see you, DocScrutinizer05 & golinux ! | 21:13 |
telmich | gnarface: no problem, I'm not a normale person either | 21:14 |
gnarface | sorry telmich, my mistake | 21:32 |
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