| mku519 | hello, i am problems with the screen going full black during boot with a nvidia gtx970 | 01:09 |
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| mku519 | i cant even drop into tty | 01:10 |
| fsmithred | did you try booting with 'nomodeset' in the boot command? | 01:10 |
| mku519 | will try, give me a moment | 01:11 |
| mku519 | it boots with nomodeset, i would like to keep using the opensource driver if possible since im driving a 1440 screen via displayport | 01:17 |
| mku519 | the machine boots if i swap the video card for a AMD hd5450 | 01:17 |
| pav5088 | How do I make an interface stay down in Ascii? I tried an "ifdown eth0" but the interface keeps coming back a couple of seconds later. I've tried "killall dhclient" in case that was the cause, but dhclient is respawned. | 09:20 |
| holla | pav5088: '/etc/network/interfaces' just remove 'auto eth0' | 09:39 |
| pav5088 | holla : I just worked out it was wicd pulling up eth0 | 09:43 |
| rrq | DocScrutinizer05: about xterm-256color, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740641 | 09:56 |
| Centurion_Dan | rrq: it doesn | 10:24 |
| Centurion_Dan | 't effect handling of cursor keys does it? | 10:25 |
| Centurion_Dan | I've been having trouble with ssh connect | 10:26 |
| Centurion_Dan | ed shells in both jessie and ascii where using the cursor keys kills the lockups the session - most of the time irrecoverably... | 10:28 |
| rrq | no idea. I would think that'd be something else. perhaps related to that "bracketed paste" notion that makes a nuisance of pasting with middle-button | 10:34 |
| Centurion_Dan | hmmm.... I'd been thinking it's purely a network issue.. only happens on remote connections, and only while I'm here at home... when situated at other locations it's not an issue. | 10:49 |
| Centurion_Dan | I have fibre here, but it's shit performance compared to the much slower vdsl I used to have... | 10:50 |
| rrq | I've also noticed that flow control (^S ^Q) is back in the terminal; could that play a role for you, given that arrow keys are multi-byte sequences. | 10:57 |
| rrq | as an emacs head, I've more then once got an extra coffee break after an accidental ^S rather than / ... :) | 10:58 |
| ErRandir | If it only happens on remote connections maybe it's related to the ssh escape character (~) | 11:04 |
| Centurion_Dan | why would that be an issue on remote and local connections.. | 11:06 |
| Centurion_Dan | ? | 11:06 |
| ErRandir | Sorry, I didn't realise it was local as well | 11:09 |
| Centurion_Dan | sorry, happens on remote but not local... | 11:10 |
| Centurion_Dan | additionally if I use openvpn tunnel to get to the remote end, I don't get the issue either... | 11:18 |
| rrq | if it also happens wiht TERM=xterm, then it's certainly not due to the xterm-256color capability | 11:34 |
| Centurion_Dan | I've tried several different terminal programs - both xterm and rxvt as well as xfce-terminal and get the same issue. | 11:51 |
| holla | Centurion_Dan: it's probably your keymap -- are you using a laptop? | 12:08 |
| Centurion_Dan | yup, | 12:11 |
| Centurion_Dan | but I've tried several pc's too and get the same behaviour | 12:11 |
| holla | real PC? | 12:12 |
| holla | i always saw such issues with laptops | 12:13 |
| Centurion_Dan | yeah, and I'm using a standard 101 key usb keyboard on my laptop atm as well | 12:13 |
| ErRandir | do you hack your keymap? Like an .xmodmaprc? | 12:13 |
| Centurion_Dan | I have another laptop - lower spec with the same keyboard running wheezy still and the problem doesn't occur as frequently... also it's not consistent.... sometimes I can use the cursor keys 3 or more times before the lockup, and other times once is enough... | 12:15 |
| Centurion_Dan | anyway gotta go to bed... | 12:15 |
| Centurion_Dan | later. | 12:15 |
| Centurion_Dan | o/ | 12:15 |
| * holla luvs problems which occur *sometimes* ;) | 12:18 | |
| JudicialWatch | are there any installation documents for arm embedded? i can login but theres nothing on the system | 15:30 |
| JudicialWatch | the installguide link is 404 https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/community:install_devuan_jessie_1.0 | 15:34 |
| JudicialWatch | i installed this and boot it and login, but then what? https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/embedded/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_armhf_odroidxu4.img.xz | 15:41 |
| JudicialWatch | ? | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | JudicialWatch, do you have a command prompt? | 16:03 |
| JudicialWatch | yes | 16:03 |
| fsmithred | cool, do you have a network connection? | 16:03 |
| JudicialWatch | just curious why the documentation isnt easy to find...i figure its like, make partitions, do this do that, run installer, etc | 16:04 |
| JudicialWatch | fsmithred: no | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | doesn't dd just put a system on the drive? | 16:04 |
| JudicialWatch | a 1.7gb partition that i can boot into | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | that's big enough for a whole operating system. I think that's what you have. | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | wired or wireless interface? | 16:05 |
| JudicialWatch | wireless | 16:05 |
| JudicialWatch | i could wire it i guess | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | I'm not really sure what's on the image, but you could try running startx | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | run setnet.sh to set up wireless | 16:06 |
| JudicialWatch | command not found | 16:06 |
| JudicialWatch | there is no setnet.sh | 16:06 |
| fsmithred | oh | 16:06 |
| fsmithred | if wpasupplicant is installed, you could set up manually. I don't know the commands off the top of my head. | 16:07 |
| JudicialWatch | theres an entire directory of images for different devices, not sure why theres no documentation though | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | or wire and run 'dhclient eth0' | 16:07 |
| JudicialWatch | ok running it... but its not eth0 its enx001XXXXXXXX | 16:08 |
| JudicialWatch | cute device name :D | 16:08 |
| JudicialWatch | ok im online | 16:08 |
| JudicialWatch | now what | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | probably apt-get update and then install what you want | 16:11 |
| fsmithred | note: I've never used any of the embedded images. I'm just guessing. | 16:12 |
| fsmithred | can you resize the partition? | 16:12 |
| JudicialWatch | i wonder if anyone has, id think there would be more documentation | 16:12 |
| JudicialWatch | fsmithred: ill try resizing it | 16:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | en pX sXX is a udev thing | 16:12 |
| JudicialWatch | yeah ill have to get rid of that | 16:13 |
| JudicialWatch | i need the devcies named eth0 and wlan0 | 16:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | its en (ethernet) p (bus #) s (slot #). | 16:14 |
| JudicialWatch | looks like its a mac address or something | 16:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Predictable Interface Naming is the idea | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | you should get the old device names if eudev is installed, and I expect it should already be installed. | 16:15 |
| JudicialWatch | i resized the root partition fine | 16:16 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you have to open the box to predict the name | 16:16 |
| JudicialWatch | fsmithred: yeah thats a problem | 16:16 |
| JudicialWatch | i think i can fix it with a file, i hope | 16:16 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l eudev | 16:16 |
| fsmithred | see if it's installed | 16:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ disabling info at the bottom | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | if using udev, add 'net.ifnames=0' to the boot command to get the old names | 16:18 |
| JudicialWatch | yes its installed | 16:18 |
| fsmithred | weird. You should get the old names. Maybe try with the boot option. | 16:18 |
| fsmithred | with eudev, net.ifnames=1 would give you the new names. Old names should be default. | 16:18 |
| JudicialWatch | ok let me see whats in the boot partition | 16:19 |
| fsmithred | cat /proc/cmdline to see your current boot command | 16:19 |
| JudicialWatch | im using EUDev | 16:20 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I don't know why you got the new interface name | 16:20 |
| JudicialWatch | fsmithred: i see it, i dont see any net.ifname in the command, obviously | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | this is an ascii image? | 16:21 |
| JudicialWatch | yes | 16:21 |
| JudicialWatch | ill try net.ifnames=1 and reboot | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | I guess try that and try 0 if 1 doesn't do it. | 16:22 |
| JudicialWatch | sixwheeledbeast: that link says systemd | 16:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yes | 16:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | udev is a freedesktop thing | 16:23 |
| JudicialWatch | not sure why its a systemd thing too | 16:23 |
| JudicialWatch | fsmithred: both options have same effect | 16:23 |
| JudicialWatch | hmm, i guess it didnt take my command line changes | 16:24 |
| rrq | check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules | 16:25 |
| JudicialWatch | i did, thers no file in that directory | 16:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | because systemd has absorbed many jobs but that's straying off topic. | 16:25 |
| rrq | write your own /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to name the interfaces | 16:26 |
| JudicialWatch | rrq: ok | 16:26 |
| JudicialWatch | but now im curious why editing /boot/boot.cmd doesnt have any effect to /proc/cmdline | 16:27 |
| fsmithred | I don't know that file - is that the boot menu? | 16:27 |
| JudicialWatch | its for this embedded stuff i thought, but maybe i have to use a special editor to generate this boot.scr from the boot.cmd | 16:28 |
| fsmithred | is there a way to edit the menu when you see it at boot? | 16:28 |
| rrq | yes. I know very little about arm systems, but I believe the boot image is elsewhere | 16:28 |
| JudicialWatch | its probably running boot.scr and boot.cmd is a editable version that has to be used to generate another | 16:28 |
| JudicialWatch | there isnt a boot menu | 16:28 |
| fsmithred | oh | 16:29 |
| baimafeima | is devuan more on the open source or free software side of things? where does it stand politically? | 16:29 |
| rrq | there used to be some abootimg tool (set) ... but I'm not up to date | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | devuan is about freedom | 16:30 |
| baimafeima | so more ethical than pragmatist? | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | both | 16:31 |
| baimafeima | both is amazing | 16:31 |
| baimafeima | very rare to find this in any distribution | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | live isos have non-free firmware installed for practical reasons | 16:31 |
| baimafeima | I checked with some other distros and they are either on one side or the other | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | and a script to remove all that stuff for those who don't want it | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | and in the future, we will probably offer libre kernel and a way to keep the non-free stuff out - for those who want that. Not for everyone. | 16:32 |
| baimafeima | fsmithred, wow awesome | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | freedom includes the freedom to use non-free software | 16:32 |
| baimafeima | if devuan also manages to be pragmatist and offer a smooth out-of-the-box exerience for beginnings,that'll be the icing on the cake | 16:33 |
| pekman | very great news, Devuan + GNU/Linux-Libre | 16:33 |
| baimafeima | for beginners I mean | 16:33 |
| baimafeima | is there any chance to have a software center included by default in the future and some of the awesome tools that mx linux offers? | 16:34 |
| JudicialWatch | i wonder where the embedded instructions are | 16:34 |
| baimafeima | specifically my request would be something like a solus software center (which is awesome) and user-facing tools to administer the system like in mx linux | 16:34 |
| JudicialWatch | trying to figure out how to change boot options the correct way | 16:34 |
| rrq | the image is built with https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk .. but you've probably been there already | 16:36 |
| JudicialWatch | thanks | 16:38 |
| fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/blob/master/boards/odroid-xu4.sh | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | line 95 is where boot.cmd gets made | 16:39 |
| JudicialWatch | nice, yeah ill have to install mkimage | 16:39 |
| JudicialWatch | attempting to disable this device renaming | 16:41 |
| JudicialWatch | nice it worked, and now my network comes up automatically too | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | how did you do it? | 16:43 |
| JudicialWatch | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="*", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | cool | 16:43 |
| JudicialWatch | im about to put at least the first 3 parts of the mac in the address part | 16:43 |
| JudicialWatch | so it only matches the onboard for these device types | 16:44 |
| rrq | btw that there is a #devuan-arm channel | 16:45 |
| JudicialWatch | ok | 16:45 |
| JudicialWatch | thanks for the help everyone, had no idea that there were no more installation steps required | 16:49 |
| Akuli | baimafeima, synaptic seems to come with devuan | 17:43 |
| fsmithred | depends on how you install | 17:47 |
| baimafeima | Akuli, thanks | 17:48 |
| _abc_ | You know this? fsmithred https://rclone.org/ | 19:30 |
| _abc_ | in a refracta context, could be interesting? | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | checking now... | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, you want to put your work_dir in the cloud? | 19:43 |
| fsmithred | I can't really see what that program does. | 19:44 |
| _abc_ | No, it's rsync which 'knows' about more options than local disk | 19:47 |
| _abc_ | So one can use servers on the lan, a cloud box, etc | 19:47 |
| _abc_ | So in theory one could copy/refracta the working system into a server and then copy it out from there to another system, or bulk deploy, etc | 19:47 |
| _abc_ | Just brainstorming. | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | there's already code to handle other mounted locations for work_dir in snapshot | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | and also custom rsync options | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | in the config file | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | (I think that's in snapshot, but maybe the installer or both) | 20:05 |
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