freenode/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2018-09-04

jkisterhope this isnt a FAQ (google and website didnt lead me to it anyway) but is the openssh-server package on ascii dependent on libsystemd0 ?  I cant seem to install without it00:59
furrywolfsome things still pull in libsystemd0, but none should depend on systemd actually being installed or running.01:00
jkisterthx furrywolf01:08
pi99yi need help with installing devuan on orange pi 2e12:53
pi99yanyone willing to give it a try?12:53
pi99ythe screen goes blank after the boot line "starting kernel..."13:01
Wonkathis is IRC, don't expect any fast answers here...13:02
pi99y(hardware works with other OSes)13:02
Wonkacan't help there, don't have any orange pi13:02
pi99yWonka: ok, thanks for responding13:02
pi99yWhat's the best time of a day to get an answer here?13:04
rrqpi99y: you should maybe try #devuan-arm instead/as well13:07
pi99yrrq: yes thanks i did, even less people there, all afk13:09
buZz12:53:29 < pi99y> anyone willing to give it a try?15:11
buZzsure, send me the board15:11
DocScrutinizer05buZz: they anticipated you're going to answer, so left the channel just in time to avoid any reply to their question ;-)17:04
buZzdamnit DocScrutinizer0517:05
buZznow i'm never gonna get rich in allwinners17:05
buZzassuming that is one, without looking17:06
DocScrutinizer05no idea17:06
buZzah, its a H317:06
buZzthose are nice, pretty much supported in mainline linux nowadays17:06
buZzjust armv7 though17:06
DocScrutinizer05prolly wrong jernel cmdline17:06
buZzyeah , needs some console=tty1 or something17:07
buZzprobably defaults to serial only17:07
DocScrutinizer05assuming that noard provides multiple video output ports17:07
buZzit has uart and hdmi and some weird video muxes on the gpio pins17:07
buZzah, just CVBS officially it seems17:08
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I suspect you need to tweak a few things to get HDMI console17:08
buZzi liked using the A20 with HDMI and VGA as dual output17:08
buZzmade for a easy workstation to take along17:09
DocScrutinizer05!+dfind systemd stable19:21
infobotDebian Package Listing of 'systemd' (13 of 26): charon-systemd ;; dh-systemd ;; golang-github-coreos-go-systemd-dev ;; kde-config-systemd ;; libconfig-model-systemd-perl ;; libnss-systemd ;; libpam-systemd ;; libsystemd-dev ;; libsystemd0 ;; live-config-systemd ;; lua-systemd ;; lua-systemd-dev ;; openvpn-systemd-resolved.19:22
DocScrutinizer05^^^ fixed19:22
DocScrutinizer05!dauthor Poettering19:24
infobotDebian Author Search of 'Poettering' returned no results.19:24
systemdcucksDocScrutinizer05: nice20:24
infobotDebian Distro Stats on sid... 60612 packages, 2448 maintainers, 302568 MB installed size, 79363 MB compressed size.20:45
DocScrutinizer05where would we write down that EVERY package needs a DESIGN file like ?22:24
djphthe manual?22:25
djphwait sid is only 80GB of packages?22:26
DocScrutinizer05the DESIGN file is not the "manual"22:31
DocScrutinizer05rather it's a high level view at the way the whole thing works internally, so e.g. developers can get an easy start on contributing without first reading the complete sourcecode with the usually missing or rudimentary inline comments22:34
sixwheeledbeastI would say it's fine and more accessible in the code comments. Also Extended Description - Control file maybe more suitable for things like that.22:45
djphDocScrutinizer05: no, but shouldn't the manual say that every package _needs_ a "design file"22:46
DocScrutinizer05aaah, yes :-)22:47

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