libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2018-10-28

nemohttps://blog.erratasec.com/2018/10/systemd-is-bad-parsing-and-should-feel.html?m=102:35
nemonice article on it02:36
nemoincluding fix fails02:36
nemoand this is not the first time they've screwed up networkd02:37
saptechhello all02:03
saptechI'm trying to use obmenu-generator to create icons for openbox menus. I need to have these perl requirements installed. https://github.com/trizen/obmenu-generator/blob/master/INSTALL.md02:07
saptechhow can I get the perl requirements installed?02:07
fsmithredsaptech, I think there might be instructions in the miyolinux thread at dev1galaxy.org02:08
fsmithredprobably near the beginning of that long thread02:08
saptechok, let me check. thanks02:08
saptechfsmithred, is there a reason devuan will not include it in the repos?02:09
fsmithredbecause it's not in debian AND nobody has offered to maintain it in devuan? That's my guess.02:10
saptechok02:10
fsmithredhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2802:11
saptechthanks for the link, I was looking for it02:12
fsmithredhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=116702:12
fsmithredlonger instructions involving a deb package02:12
fsmithredfirst one looks easier - clone repo and issue one command02:12
stevelittWhere can I obtain Devuan Ceres (unstable)?02:40
debdoginstall AŜCII, alter sources.list, upgrade02:40
debdog*ASCII02:41
saptechwhewwww, it was a challenge but finally got it working03:14
saptechfsmithred, I guess I could have tried this link, https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home%3AHead_on_a_Stick%3Aobmenu-generator&package=obmenu-generator03:21
stevelittThanks debdog. Where are there step by step instructiions on how to do that?04:45
gnarfacestevelitt: it is the same process as upgrading to sid with debian04:49
gnarfaceexcept you use the name ceres instead04:49
furrywolfyet another remotely exploitable systemd bug...  obviously bundling network handling into the init system was a great idea.05:32
xrogaanalways is!05:36
furrywolfbbl, wolfy bedtime05:43
golinuxstevelitt: You still here?05:49
stevelittgolinux, yeah07:16
stevelittgnarface, I never upgraded to sid. On Debian,I was strictly a stable kinda guy.07:21
gnarfaceit's something you should avoid unless you have a good reason07:21
gnarface(note to be clear i am not golinux)07:22
gnarfacei'm sure someone has written this down in a devuan-specific fashion somewhere07:23
gnarfacemaybe on the forum07:23
gnarfacei assume that's what golinux was going to direct you to07:23
gnarfacei don't have such a link off the top of my head though, that's why i was just suggesting vaguely that Debian's wiki entry on the matter should be easy to find07:24
gnarfacei do recommend you make a backup first07:25
stevelittThanks gnarface . Someone just gave simple and explicit instructions on the mailing list, I performed them, and now it kernel panics.07:25
stevelittI should have made a backup, forgot. That's OK, as I mentioned several times, the only daemon I had runitized was sshd.07:26
golinuxstevelitt: One thing to note.  Unless something has changed, there are newer versions of the "kit stuff in ascii than in beowulf or ceres07:26
golinuxfsmithred wrote a nice post about upgrading on the fporum.  I'll go find it07:27
golinuxhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=12408#p1240807:29
golinuxstevelitt: ^^^07:29
golinuxThat might be irrelevant if you're not using a full desktop.  My main river is still jessie. I'm not very adventurous07:32
Wonkahas anyone noticed that weston is currently uninstallable in ceres? depends on libcolord2 >= 1.4.3, but only older versions (with +devuan version) available.18:21
xrogaan"kit stuff"?19:01
debdoglike consolekit and such, I suppose19:02
fsmithredshe was being polite19:07
fsmithredwhen I say it, the words rhyme19:07
stevelittMy computer's making meganoise. I think I might have a dying hard disk. Now is the time to back up...19:12
fsmithredsmartctl -a /dev/sdX19:12
Xenguyrsync is your friend19:12
buZzstevelitt: nice actually19:12
buZzjust made me realize thats a feature SSDs are missing19:13
buZzno audible prewarning of death ;)19:13
Xenguyfsmithred: What does that do?19:14
fsmithredgives you the smart data on the disk19:14
Xenguy(Part of smartmontools here)19:14
Xenguyhuh19:15
buZzXenguy: correct19:15
buZzSMART is a system to monitor harddrives internally19:15
buZzthe harddrives themselves can test them, but also log earlier faults19:16
buZzlike relocated sector count , etc19:16
XenguyThanks folks, interesting19:16
buZzor on my server's HDD 'G Sensor errors' :P (if you move the disk while spinning it'll complain)19:16
fsmithredcool19:18
stevelittbuZz, what's "nice"? rsync, the fact that I'm going to back up, or somethign else?21:51
stevelittBy the way, my / is mounted on an ssd.21:52
stevelittI fell asleep before I could back up, but I just started backing up 5 minutes ago. Should be done in an hour.21:53
stevelittWhatever disk is getting backed up now sounds perfectly healthy.21:53
stevelittgolinux, what's beowulf?21:53
stevelittAnd why couldn't I find it to download?21:54
nacellemeganoise though?21:57
debdogbeowulf is the name of the next stable release. see table on https://devuan.org/21:57
nacellemeganoise is usually a fan going bad, no?21:57
nacelleor something crawling in :(21:57
KatolaZstevelitt: beowulf is the current "testing"21:58
golinuxstevelitt: beowulf will be our 3rd stable release.22:00
stevelittI never saw any download links for beowulf.22:12
stevelittHah, my backup finished. Let my computer explode, I don't care.22:13
golinuxstevelitt: There aren't any beowulf isos yet so follow the same procedure as to get seres.  Change the sources.list relasename from ascii to beowulf.22:15
stevelittnacelle, could be a fan, although much of my air movement is via a top mounted 140mm slow-spin that I doubt would make much noise.22:16
golinuxoops ceres, of course.22:16
* golinux has fat fingers.22:17
stevelittKatolaZ, golinux for both beowulf and ceres, why aren't there minimal install ISOs such that one doesn't need to start life with a major upgrade?22:17
nacellestevelitt: fans go bad22:17
nacellethings fall into fans22:17
* nacelle thinks hard drive noise is pretty obvious, except 2.5" disks, because its nearly impossible to hear those from a few feet away anyways22:18
nacelle(but not all of them, especially the early ide 2.5" things in laptops of old)22:18
golinuxAt this point beowulf's isn't ready for wide and ceres never is.  And iso would become outdated in days.22:19
golinuxisn't ready for wide USE22:20
golinuxHopefully we'll have a beta iso released by spring.22:20
kingsleyThe latest systemd vulnerability seems to have elicited a favorable report of switching to devuan on Slashdot. https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/10/27/196227/new-systemd-vulnerability-discovered#comments22:42
KatolaZstevelitt: there is no install for unstable23:25
KatolaZnever has been23:25
KatolaZand makes little sense23:25
KatolaZsince unstable is updated on a daily basis23:25

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