haxmeister_ | I need some help with new install. is anyone active? | 05:42 |
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haxmeister_ | it seems that after installing using the netinst from USB I suddenly do not have working wifi | 05:42 |
haxmeister_ | the hardware switch is a lighted button that indicates that it is "off" and will not come on when pressing it | 05:43 |
haxmeister_ | the laptop was working fine before this install so it must surely be some tweaking to do | 05:43 |
haxmeister_ | can anyone offer guidance? | 05:43 |
rrq | maybe it's missing installed firmware for the wifi device | 05:46 |
Anselmo | could also try the rfkill program, some laptops I've seen default to locking out wifi devices under linux | 05:47 |
Anselmo | and some have like, hidden software switches that dont get handled easily | 05:48 |
haxmeister_ | is rfkill on the standard install? | 05:48 |
haxmeister_ | I'm familiar with rfkill | 05:48 |
Anselmo | uh, I dont think it is | 05:49 |
haxmeister_ | hmm. | 05:49 |
Anselmo | have you run this laptop under linux before and not hadthis issue ? | 05:49 |
haxmeister_ | rfkill available as root | 05:49 |
Anselmo | or, cause I dont think that particualr issue is distro specific | 05:50 |
Anselmo | oh, kay | 05:50 |
haxmeister_ | I'm moving over from funtoo | 05:50 |
haxmeister_ | a source distro | 05:50 |
Anselmo | kay | 05:50 |
haxmeister_ | looks like I got it | 05:52 |
haxmeister_ | so glad rfkill was there | 05:52 |
haxmeister_ | lol | 05:53 |
haxmeister_ | ty | 05:53 |
haxmeister_ | yes sir.. connected right up | 05:55 |
haxmeister_ | gotta do something so I don't have to do that every boot | 05:55 |
haxmeister_ | maybe a startup script.. but that kinda dodgy | 05:55 |
haxmeister_ | first time using the gui to install a package... pretty intuitive | 05:58 |
haxmeister_ | hexchat installing | 05:58 |
haxmeister_ | is chrome available or we just doing chromium on this distro? | 05:59 |
haxmeister_ | here we go | 06:02 |
haxmeister_ | now on actual machine | 06:02 |
haxmeister_ | this is exciting | 06:06 |
haxmeister_ | I hope you guys don't mind me asking stupid questions until I get to know devuan | 06:06 |
Anselmo | hehe, well, that seems like it might be the poiint in part :P | 06:08 |
haxmeister_ | devuan have completely separate repo from debian? | 06:08 |
Anselmo | the repos are seperate, I imagine some of the packagebuilds are rather directly lifted from debian but I dont really follow specific details of development | 06:10 |
haxmeister_ | ok | 06:10 |
haxmeister_ | luckily there's this nice GUI to get me started until I learn the package manager from the term | 06:11 |
fsmithred | test | 18:54 |
debdog | echo | 18:56 |
fsmithred | I was just trying to figure out the times in the irclogs | 18:56 |
fsmithred | nobody said anything in here for 12 hours | 18:56 |
unixman | So, no problems for 12 hours = Best Linux Distribution! ;) | 18:59 |
fsmithred | lol | 18:59 |
fsmithred | I've always claimed that debian is boring, and that's one of its best points. Too bad it got interesting in the last few years. | 18:59 |
Anselmo | I think you want problems per user-hour | 19:00 |
Anselmo | :P | 19:00 |
unixman | How does one determine "per user-hour" without spying on users? :P | 19:02 |
fsmithred | just go by the user list in this channel and extrapolate to the rest of the world | 19:03 |
Anselmo | well, I suppose the easiest might be to force it to zero by never releasing anything :P | 19:03 |
Anselmo | more realistically I'm not sure, could probably guess number of active users by like,repository access, and then maybe run some surveys to try and characterize the userbase voluntarily | 19:04 |
KatolaZ | maybe we don't need to know how many active users are there (unless they actually want to let us know, e.g. via popcon)? | 19:34 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ((without spying)) *some* users will appreciate deliberate participation in such "spy program", reporting either their installation instances or even continuous uptime hours reports | 20:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I think an opt-in would be conceived as welcome feature | 20:12 |
_abc_ | Hello. I'm on ascii. I have a problem also seen with ubuntu?! gnu maxima seems to be broken, the errors it throws are related to lisp. | 20:12 |
_abc_ | Can anyone confirm this? | 20:12 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: it's already there | 20:12 |
DocScrutinizer05 | oooh :-) | 20:12 |
KatolaZ | it's called popularity-contest | 20:12 |
KatolaZ | :) | 20:12 |
_abc_ | my maxima is: Maxima 5.38.1 http://maxima.sourceforge.net | 20:12 |
_abc_ | using Lisp GNU Common Lisp (GCL) GCL 2.6.12 | 20:12 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: I used maxima on ascii | 20:13 |
KatolaZ | I am now on beowulf and it works just fine | 20:13 |
_abc_ | To see the bug, simply start maxima, then type: (%i1) ? integrate -> this throws the error | 20:14 |
_abc_ | Interesting KatolaZ what version do you have please | 20:14 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: on beowulf it's 5.42.1 | 20:14 |
KatolaZ | it looks like you are missing the doc package | 20:15 |
_abc_ | Hmm good one. | 20:15 |
KatolaZ | apt-get install maxima-doc | 20:15 |
_abc_ | did it, fixed | 20:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | apropos popularity: inmaemo we counted number of unique IPs in access logs of repo during a typical check-for-updates-periodically timeframe | 20:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure it has quite some error rate, but nevertheless gives a good rough idea about number of installations | 20:17 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: pretty poor way of estimating it | 20:19 |
KatolaZ | anyway, in every fortnight that number has been well over 30K for pkgmaster | 20:19 |
KatolaZ | 30K unique IPs | 20:19 |
KatolaZ | on each 14-days period | 20:19 |
KatolaZ | (these is excluding bots and including only IPs that request packages or release files) | 20:20 |
KatolaZ | my guess is that the actual number of Devuan installation is somewhere between 60K and 90K, at least | 20:20 |
_abc_ | How does one refer to a previous result in maxima cli again? rationalize(%o3); fails | 20:21 |
_abc_ | I retract that. Did write %03... | 20:21 |
_abc_ | Wow I forgot the little I knew. What's the output converter/formatter to get a numeric value? Semantically opposite to rationalize() ? | 20:24 |
amnesia_ | hey! I need some help, can I ask here? | 20:24 |
amnesia_ | I'm stuck after upgrading to beowulf, I can't start X. Any guesses? | 20:25 |
Centurion_Dan | amnesia_: upgrade to ceres. Beowulf is probably still in a broken state... | 20:26 |
Centurion_Dan | what were you running before the upgrade? ascii of jessie, and what DE and login manager? | 20:27 |
amnesia_ | I was running ascii, with both XFCE4 and I3wm | 20:27 |
Centurion_Dan | and slim? | 20:27 |
amnesia_ | yes | 20:28 |
amnesia_ | I log on slim and presents me a black screen | 20:28 |
amnesia_ | on console I can see the following error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127 | 20:29 |
Centurion_Dan | you probably need consolekit ... | 20:29 |
Centurion_Dan | I've just pushed a new version to experimental last night ... you could try that: | 20:29 |
Centurion_Dan | Add 'deb http://deb.mirror.org/devuan experimental main' to your apt sources and install consolekit | 20:30 |
amnesia_ | Should I leave the 'deb ... beowulf' part to? | 20:32 |
Centurion_Dan | yup | 20:32 |
Centurion_Dan | we only want consolekit from experimental. | 20:33 |
Centurion_Dan | but I do suggest ceres as more likely to be working at this stage | 20:33 |
_abc_ | What is the role of consolekit? Login manager etc? | 20:33 |
_abc_ | Does *bsd use consolekit?! | 20:34 |
amnesia_ | Which consolekit version should I be looking for? It says i'm already on the newest version (0.4.6-6) | 20:34 |
Centurion_Dan | _abc_ yes, *bsd would use consolekit (although elogind might be an option these days) | 20:34 |
Centurion_Dan | amnesia_: you did `apt update`? | 20:35 |
amnesia_ | Yepp | 20:35 |
Centurion_Dan | and you'll need to install it this way: | 20:35 |
Centurion_Dan | apt install -t experimental consolekit | 20:36 |
amnesia_ | it says experimental is invalid for APT::default release, not available in this source | 20:37 |
amnesia_ | :( | 20:38 |
Centurion_Dan | ?? | 20:38 |
Centurion_Dan | paste your /etc/apt/sources ?? | 20:39 |
amnesia_ | Sorry, i'm translating the errors because my terminal language is not english. | 20:39 |
Centurion_Dan | that's fine... | 20:40 |
debdog | use "LANG=C command" to make 'em english | 20:40 |
amnesia_ | https://pastebin.com/gN1629AG | 20:41 |
amnesia_ | to change to ceres, should I keep the three separate lines for main, security and updates, like for ascii? | 20:47 |
_abc_ | Fwiw installing and deinstalling octave, which unfortunately now has a windows 3.11 style gui instead of pure cli (octave-cli is also installed), and now maxima seems to work fine. | 20:54 |
_abc_ | Which has me stumped but my goal was reached, maxima works... | 20:55 |
_abc_ | thanks | 20:55 |
golinux | amnesia_: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 | 20:58 |
golinux | Beowulf desktop is still broken. That should help you sort things | 20:59 |
amnesia_ | thank you for the link <golinux> | 21:03 |
amnesia_ | So, one last question. Anyway to downgrade do ascii from the broken beowulf state I am now? | 21:31 |
Centurion_Dan | amnesia - possibly, but it means hand picking packages from ascii and forcing them. | 21:35 |
Centurion_Dan | you could try to follow the path in that post... or wait a few hours while I fix the situation in ceres. | 21:37 |
amnesia_ | Since it is kind of a new install I think it will be better to nuke it all and start again. Anyway, thank you for your help, i'm very happy with how helpful this community is everytime | 21:40 |
Centurion_Dan | your welcome ;-) | 21:47 |
Centurion_Dan | it' | 21:47 |
Centurion_Dan | is great to have people willing to try and run the bleeding edge and help us polish it ;-) | 21:48 |
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