mooseface420 | trying to push to github from linux when you have 2FA on is literal AIDS | 05:23 |
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mooseface420 | i'm becoming radicalized | 05:23 |
nacelle | you make a special key and use it... whats hard about that? | 05:33 |
mooseface420 | all the documentation is for windows and osx. how am i supposed to store my password. is git config user.name the same as Username for https://github.com ? | 05:37 |
mooseface420 | I've done it on windows and osx before no problem | 05:38 |
mooseface420 | WTF if you copy the token manually it doesn't work | 05:40 |
mooseface420 | now I press the stupid copy to clipboard button and it copies correctly? | 05:41 |
mooseface420 | fuck javascript html and css into the ground forever | 05:41 |
mooseface420 | also, github recommends something called xclip to copy public key because select all + copy is such a shit experience in vi and nano | 05:45 |
mooseface420 | also, personal access tokens are hidden in "Developer settings" as if the other settings aren't for developers? Who do they think uses github? | 05:50 |
mooseface420 | I don't develop for the github platform | 05:50 |
mooseface420 | also, why can't I see hidden files in the command line? I thought linux was for the hardcore. why is it in bumper bowling mode? | 05:51 |
mooseface420 | i need to do ls -a every time to disable bumper bowling mode | 06:00 |
gnarface | eh, alot of these complaints are sophomoric and have easy solutions | 06:01 |
gnarface | the ls thing is because you don't want some stuff touching the .files by default | 06:01 |
gnarface | they're not supposed to be just hidden from you, they're hidden from glob matches and stuff too | 06:01 |
gnarface | so scripts rely on that behavior, etc | 06:01 |
gnarface | if you want to override the ls behavior though it's easy to add -a as an alias | 06:02 |
gnarface | check out examples in /root/.bashrc and /home/*/.bashrc | 06:02 |
gnarface | (there should be some commented out examples for common rm/cp/mv aliases) | 06:02 |
gnarface | the copy&paste problem probably has something to do with your javascript-based IDE handling unix newlines or binary data wrong | 06:03 |
gnarface | if you're complaining about the win32 builds of vim/emacs, i know the vim one copy&pastes them wrong but the emacs one doesn't | 06:04 |
gnarface | similarly notepad hoses them, wordpad might not though i think, if the file extension is .txt | 06:05 |
gnarface | (at least in the old days; i've not used windows in a long time) | 06:06 |
mooseface420 | scripts can use a separate command from humans | 06:11 |
mooseface420 | separate but equal | 06:11 |
mooseface420 | Dolphin glitched on my and wouldn't show hidden files even after checking Hidden Files. On top of that it doesn't let me type in a file path to got to or even show the full path by default so I got enraged | 06:14 |
mooseface420 | inexplicably Hidden Files feature working again | 06:14 |
mooseface420 | Linux is the league of legends of operating systems. An exercise in memorization. Except in LoL you can do things with the mouse | 06:27 |
mooseface420 | I figured that files in the Desktop folder would show up on, you know, the desktop and vice versa. But that would make sense | 06:41 |
mooseface420 | the GUI is like a movie set or one of those fake towns in North Korea. It looks like a GUI, but is it really? | 06:44 |
mooseface420 | copyleft has achieved a state of absolute freedom from the oppressive kyriarchy of profit and market demand. Demand is so... demanding. Customers are so needy | 06:56 |
mooseface420 | imagine telling your secretary to put something on your desk and you find out later she put it in a closet labeled "Desk" | 07:05 |
mooseface420 | sweetie, no. just no | 07:06 |
mooseface420 | that | 07:06 |
mooseface420 | 's what i'd say | 07:06 |
gnarface | well the "Desktop" directory came much later and 1) i don't approve of it 2) on enlightenment, stuff you put in there does show up, so you gotta stop blaming one window manager's limitations on all of Linux | 07:08 |
gnarface | you're seeing a few independent and separately corporate-influenced desktop Linux movements sortof trying to work together but doing it badly | 07:09 |
gnarface | and yea a lot of the drag&drop windows mimicry is just like you describe... feels like a movie set replica of a GUI. i like that one, did you come up with that yourself? | 07:09 |
gnarface | the best thing i can recommend is try a different window manager if you don't like the GUI you have | 07:10 |
gnarface | they all actually tend to differ on a lot of the more subtle behaviors you've come to take for granted from Windows | 07:10 |
gnarface | as for the memorization... eh, that's good for you. | 07:12 |
gnarface | stuff you use every day will stick in your head whether you want it to or not | 07:13 |
gnarface | stuff you don't use every day, save it in a script | 07:15 |
mooseface420 | yeah I was thinking of the scene from The Interview where they find out the storefronts and food is fake | 07:19 |
mooseface420 | IntelliJ says it requires GNOME or KDE. I have KDE Plamsa going | 07:20 |
KatolaZ | mooseface420: why should a java application require a specific desktop environment? | 07:26 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 07:26 |
KatolaZ | wasn't it "Compile once, run everywhere"? | 07:26 |
mooseface420 | I fully support shortcuts but when it's forced it's like a corporate app like Snapchat or Gmail where everything is a heiroglyphic or a gesture. They can't just have a button that says "Reply All" | 07:27 |
mooseface420 | KatolaZ: I know, right? IntelliJ doesn't even run on Java 9+ | 07:27 |
mooseface420 | either | 07:27 |
KatolaZ | mooseface420: how is this connected with GNOME or KDE? | 07:28 |
KatolaZ | (or even related?) | 07:28 |
mooseface420 | Snapchat and Gmail are too cheap to translate simple words into 30 languages so they stick a stupid double arrow thing there and make you memorize what it means | 07:28 |
mooseface420 | Java is supposed to be backwards compatible. intellij is written in java. | 07:29 |
mooseface420 | Java and UI don't have the best track record | 07:30 |
mooseface420 | It probably just means they only test it on GNOME and KDE | 07:31 |
mooseface420 | who knows | 07:31 |
mooseface420 | probably a lawyer told them to cover their ass | 07:32 |
KatolaZ | mooseface420: again, this is just BS | 07:32 |
KatolaZ | you simply need a running X11 | 07:32 |
KatolaZ | fullstop | 07:32 |
KatolaZ | there is no damn reason why an IDE should require a particular DE | 07:32 |
KatolaZ | unless you believe in fairies :) | 07:33 |
mooseface420 | "System requirements GNOME or KDE desktop" I'll take them at their word | 07:33 |
KatolaZ | mooseface420: doing stuff without thinking is why most of the software today is so damn wrong and bloated | 07:34 |
KatolaZ | just install the jar | 07:34 |
KatolaZ | and run it | 07:34 |
mooseface420 | at least they won't get sued for false advertising | 07:35 |
KatolaZ | -_- | 07:35 |
mooseface420 | inb4 'requires systemd' | 07:39 |
KatolaZ | what is inb4? | 07:40 |
KatolaZ | another java marvel? | 07:41 |
mooseface420 | it's kind of like saying 'first!' | 07:41 |
KatolaZ | oh | 07:41 |
KatolaZ | sure | 07:41 |
KatolaZ | intelliJ requires systemd? | 07:41 |
mooseface420 | lol no | 07:41 |
KatolaZ | :D | 07:42 |
KatolaZ | sorry my sense of humor is still sleeping | 07:43 |
mooseface420 | by inb4 i mean I'm (jokingly) predicting that next they'll say they require systemd | 07:43 |
gnarface | mooseface420: a lot of times the reason they require a specific desktop environment is just to predict some shared libraries you could install yourself anyway, or some minutia of window/mouse focus and stacking behavior that you could configure other desktops to mimic, too | 07:49 |
gnarface | if you can figure out what it's expecting, maybe you can make other stuff do it | 07:49 |
KatolaZ | yeah mooseface420, I got it in the end :D | 07:51 |
mooseface420 | it it correct to use apt-get to install on root then use those packages on normie user | 07:52 |
gnarface | yes | 07:53 |
mooseface420 | i'm getting permissions issues with both apt and gradle package on normal user after installing that way | 07:54 |
mooseface420 | I tried purge removing and installing again but same thing | 07:54 |
gnarface | the "normie" user is not expected to have access to everything by default. i'm not familiar with gradle but apt would require root permission by default... | 07:55 |
gnarface | some stuff requires you to add your normie user to some system group to get access by default | 07:55 |
man_in_shack | just run everything as root instead | 07:55 |
gnarface | some stuff may require a filesystem permission change | 07:55 |
gnarface | kinda depends what it is | 07:55 |
man_in_shack | like how lindows/linspire did | 07:55 |
gnarface | yea, you can run everything as root, lol | 07:55 |
mooseface420 | now i miss sudo | 07:55 |
man_in_shack | everyone always needs full write access to everything in /dev | 07:56 |
man_in_shack | especially nvram | 07:56 |
gnarface | i wouldn't recommend running everyting as root, but you can install sudo. it's in the repo. it will also require you to change your damned group though i think... | 07:56 |
man_in_shack | set up sudo so only root can run it | 07:56 |
gnarface | well that's silly | 07:57 |
man_in_shack | (: | 07:57 |
gnarface | i just recommend don't set it up passwordless | 07:57 |
gnarface | that's a real bad idea, security-wise | 07:57 |
man_in_shack | keep your /home in a ramdisk for added security | 07:58 |
mooseface420 | I planned on reinstalling the os anyway since the first time through I was just trying to get dual boot working. I'll probably choose the sudo option instead of separate root acct | 07:58 |
mooseface420 | separate root account makes me type password three times often. once to switch to root, once to switch back and again to refresh sources | 08:00 |
mooseface420 | have you ever used Run command... to run apt-get and lock yourself out of apt because it's hung waiting for user input? i did that the other day | 08:11 |
man_in_shack | no | 08:12 |
man_in_shack | if i gotta run a command-line app, i Run a terminal first :P | 08:12 |
man_in_shack | i did accidentally delete /lib once. that was fun to recover from | 08:12 |
mooseface420 | wow, no one told me about kate. screw nano | 08:23 |
mooseface420 | double screw vi | 08:23 |
mooseface420 | people who use vi should be branded and treated as cattle | 08:24 |
Centurion_Dan | mooseface420: are you a democrat? | 08:26 |
mooseface420 | no y | 08:26 |
* man_in_shack replces mooseface420's kate with emacs | 08:26 | |
man_in_shack | vim > vi > manually adjusting electrons with lasers > emacs | 08:26 |
Centurion_Dan | mooseface420: your rhetoric sounds awfully childish just like a typical lefty democrat... | 08:27 |
mooseface420 | my name is mooseface420 | 08:28 |
mooseface420 | you were expecting? | 08:28 |
Centurion_Dan | not that I care... but come on... really "people who use vi should be branded and treated as cattle" !!??? | 08:29 |
mooseface420 | democrats are all into copyleft n shiet. not me | 08:29 |
Centurion_Dan | I use vim/vi pretty much everywhere... | 08:29 |
mooseface420 | vi is an affliction. there's a vaccine for alzheimers soon. why not for vi? | 08:30 |
man_in_shack | the fuck you both high on? | 08:30 |
Centurion_Dan | and I aint no cattle... you try to round me up and brand me, and I'll give you both barrels and then some. | 08:30 |
Centurion_Dan | :-P | 08:30 |
mooseface420 | with that attitude i might ban scripting languages too | 08:31 |
man_in_shack | why stop at scripting languages? | 08:32 |
man_in_shack | ban all compiled languages too | 08:32 |
man_in_shack | especially C, and all software written in C, or uses libraries that depend on C | 08:33 |
mooseface420 | ban anything with grep or consecutive backslashes | 08:33 |
man_in_shack | cos denis ritchie was such a fucking communist | 08:33 |
man_in_shack | "hey guys, i just wrote a groundbreaking, world-changing programming language" "cool, how much you charging for it?" "nothing. also here's the source code" "KILL THE COMMUNIST" | 08:33 |
mooseface420 | Trump would run BSD. Why am I in GPL land lol | 08:34 |
man_in_shack | no | 08:34 |
* Centurion_Dan shoves a bar of soap in man_in_shack's mouth, and starts strapping on ammo belts.. | 08:34 | |
man_in_shack | trump would run trumplicense software | 08:34 |
man_in_shack | every time you copy, run, use, or think about the software, you owe trump $50000 | 08:34 |
mooseface420 | deport -rf *.* | 08:35 |
man_in_shack | ^ | 08:35 |
mooseface420 | my professor said I should use vi because moving my hand to the mouse and back takes too long. like bish i'm an engineer not a stenographer | 08:37 |
mooseface420 | Nietzsche never used vi in his life | 08:39 |
mooseface420 | holy shit what if my professor just had really slow arms... | 08:44 |
mooseface420 | never thought of that. he did resemble an elephant | 08:45 |
mooseface420 | Centurion_Dan: do you have slow arms? | 08:45 |
Centurion_Dan | honestly, I don't know... what do you consider to be slow?? | 08:47 |
mooseface420 | < 0.5 m/s | 08:48 |
Centurion_Dan | I just detest using the crtl-key for every editor action.... otherwise I'd use emacs.... | 08:48 |
Centurion_Dan | then again vi is an editor whilst emacs is an operating system.... | 08:49 |
Centurion_Dan | (or pretends to be one)... | 08:49 |
Centurion_Dan | baldy.... | 08:49 |
Centurion_Dan | :-p | 08:49 |
mooseface420 | hating ctrl is like hating puppies | 08:50 |
Centurion_Dan | < 0.5ms to punch you in the face?? Na, I can do that no problem :-D | 08:50 |
Centurion_Dan | well I hate puppies... | 08:50 |
Centurion_Dan | so that sounds about right... | 08:51 |
mooseface420 | how do you throw grenades in videogames | 08:51 |
Centurion_Dan | with a launcher mostly, better accuracy and distance, and less risk of being exposed and shot up | 08:52 |
mooseface420 | maybe my professor's mouse sensitivity was also stuck in the 70s | 08:52 |
mooseface420 | ball mice and all | 08:53 |
KatolaZ | mooseface420: use whatever you like | 08:53 |
KatolaZ | your professor has become a professor using vi... | 08:53 |
KatolaZ | :D | 08:53 |
mooseface420 | those who can do... | 08:53 |
Centurion_Dan | hi KatolaZ | 08:54 |
KatolaZ | learn vi | 08:54 |
KatolaZ | is a god skill to have | 08:54 |
KatolaZ | hi Centurion_Dan | 08:54 |
KatolaZ | o/ | 08:54 |
mooseface420 | I probably type like 50 wpm | 08:55 |
KatolaZ | wpm? Wumps-per-millennium? :P | 08:57 |
mooseface420 | womp-womps per lewandowski | 08:57 |
KatolaZ | what would be wwpl | 08:58 |
KatolaZ | s/what/that | 08:58 |
mooseface420 | tomato tomato | 08:58 |
KatolaZ | 50 wpm are such only if there are 50 legible words at the end of the minute :P | 08:59 |
* golinux is using a ball mouse atm | 09:06 | |
mooseface420 | terminals and file explorers are like east and west berlin and developers are the wall | 09:08 |
mooseface420 | right-click, select open in terminal. type 'open x', opens in explorer. but the technology just isn't there yet | 09:10 |
mooseface420 | the PhDs are working on it I hear | 09:12 |
mooseface420 | actually TempleOS had something like that | 09:14 |
xkr47 | mooseface420, :D | 12:24 |
xkr47 | had? :) | 12:24 |
furrymcgee | in qemu-system-x86_64 -m 1G -nographic --enable-kvm -append 'console=ttyS0 r | 12:56 |
furrymcgee | oot=/dev/sda1 rw' | 12:56 |
furrymcgee | there is no login prompt after sshd started | 12:56 |
furrymcgee | this is devuan qemu running in a terminal | 12:57 |
furrymcgee | inittab can be changed to serial | 12:59 |
mooseface420 | xkr47: well the sole developer died, but the OS has a basically a terminal with GUI features. You can click on dirs. | 13:07 |
xkr47 | yeah it is cool | 13:08 |
jyri | 0,8758 | 13:20 |
jyri | hmm, sorry about that | 13:21 |
xkr47 | it's a good number | 13:22 |
errandir1 | furrymcgee: the login prompt comes from an executable like getty/agetty/etc. Is your inittab starting that on the serial port? | 14:45 |
stripe | hi all, anywhere I can get information about Devuans compatibility with amd graphics cards? cheers | 17:01 |
KatolaZ | stripe: the same info available for debian will hold for devuan | 17:04 |
KatolaZ | (if you consider matching releases) | 17:04 |
stripe | KatolaZ: thank you, it looks like my gpu is not supported in debian-stable, cheers :) | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | stripe: sorry for that | 17:10 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 17:11 |
stripe | KatolaZ: no worries, will try devuans development and unstable branches :) | 17:13 |
KatolaZ | stripe: beowulf is currently under work | 17:13 |
KatolaZ | some stuff might not working perfectly yet | 17:14 |
KatolaZ | especially session-related stuff | 17:14 |
* debdog is tad pissed at AMD, too | 17:14 | |
stripe | KatolaZ: perhaps I might be able to commit some fixes then :) | 17:15 |
KatolaZ | please do | 17:15 |
KatolaZ | report bugs/patches in the BTS please | 17:15 |
debdog | mightâ„¢ be able to solve my issue with a newer, self compiled kernel. but building (AKA configureing) a kernel is much more tedious than it used to be | 17:15 |
KatolaZ | debdog: start from an existing config | 17:16 |
debdog | I know | 17:16 |
KatolaZ | no need to start from scratch | 17:16 |
KatolaZ | and yes, it is a bit more tedious than 15 or 20 years ago | 17:17 |
KatolaZ | it's bigger | 17:17 |
debdog | so many options do not have a proper help text anymore | 17:17 |
KatolaZ | and most of the stuff is useless | 17:17 |
KatolaZ | yeah but that's mainly for drivers | 17:17 |
KatolaZ | features are still documented reasonably well | 17:17 |
KatolaZ | IMHO | 17:18 |
stripe | debdog I have found the later kernels tend to work with the amd gpu, but in debian you need to add the firmware-amd-graphics? package as well. | 17:18 |
KatolaZ | stripe: that firmware is available in devuan | 17:18 |
debdog | stripe: my GPU might or might not work with amdgpu | 17:18 |
KatolaZ | comes straight from debian | 17:18 |
debdog | mayhap I can get a patch for fglrx for newer kernels from gentoo or such | 17:19 |
stripe | KatolaZ: will give that a try first, I presume newer kernels will be available from a backports repo? | 17:20 |
KatolaZ | stripe: pkginfo.devuan.org | 17:20 |
KatolaZ | (4.18 is in there, BTW) | 17:20 |
stripe | KatolaZ: thanks very much, have fun everyone :) | 17:21 |
KatolaZ | o/ | 17:21 |
furrymcgee | errandir1: there is no prompt in the guest unless inittab is changed from "getty 38400 tty1" to "getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100" | 17:40 |
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