| se7en | I forget who I was talking to about the ML ban, but I just sent a message | 03:33 |
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| golinux | se7en: I have released your email from moderation. | 03:43 |
| se7en | thank you | 03:43 |
| se7en | Is the message in the ML now? | 03:43 |
| golinux | Should be | 03:43 |
| se7en | I just discovered I am behind in my emails | 03:43 |
| se7en | Fetchmail has a 100 fetch limit | 03:44 |
| golinux | Yes, I got it. | 03:44 |
| se7en | So I am going to have to repeat this command a couple times | 03:44 |
| se7en | I am not in a tor enviornment so I'm very displeased | 03:44 |
| se7en | I found another report, golinux | 03:53 |
| se7en | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865368 | 03:53 |
| se7en | This is similar, not identical | 03:53 |
| golinux | Hahahaha . . . not. Another wontfix | 03:57 |
| golinux | Feel free to fork, fix and maintain it for Devuan. | 03:57 |
| se7en | I don't have the resources for that | 04:02 |
| golinux | Well then, open another Debian bug report | 04:04 |
| se7en | I'll have to go to mainline? | 04:04 |
| golinux | Don't quite understand the question. If the bug is in Debian. that's where it needs to be addressed. | 04:05 |
| se7en | But Devuan is a fork. Shouldn't it address these issues independently? | 04:06 |
| golinux | Maybe someone here will join you in lobbying for a fix. | 04:06 |
| se7en | Why rely on Debian to fix it? | 04:06 |
| golinux | We fork and repair systemd deps. We don't have the (wo)man power to fix everything they are screwing up. | 04:07 |
| golinux | If upstream fails to fix something then someone here has to do it if they want/need that particular function. | 04:10 |
| redrick | se7en: Devuan Project (for whom I don't speak) concentrates limited volunteer time/talent in areas most needed for its signature differences from Debian. | 07:40 |
| se7en | I get that | 07:40 |
| se7en | It's just very annoying to have these issues, especially since I left Debian | 07:41 |
| se7en | And now use a system that I thought was more or less a full fork | 07:41 |
| golinux | You would have them if you hadn't left Debian too, right? | 07:41 |
| se7en | Yeah | 07:42 |
| se7en | The problem is reported in Debian proper | 07:42 |
| golinux | Exactly. | 07:42 |
| se7en | But since I'm using a fork, isn't it the responsibility of the fork maintainer to fix bugs as well? | 07:42 |
| golinux | At least you don't have systemd as PID1 | 07:42 |
| redrick | Again, speaking only for myself, so don't blame Devuan for my sense of humour: Only the monarch of the kingdom of idiots would fork more than 50,000 packages without extremely compelling reason. | 07:42 |
| se7en | heh | 07:43 |
| se7en | true | 07:43 |
| redrick | I get that torsocks is important to you, though. | 07:43 |
| golinux | We fork a single digit percentage of those 50,000 packages | 07:44 |
| golinux | Talk to the upsteam devs (if there is an upstream) | 07:44 |
| golinux | and plead your case. | 07:45 |
| redrick | se7en: You'll find that every distro pushes all possible bugs upstream, too, and this certainly includes Debian. | 07:45 |
| redrick | It's the right thing for everyone, actually. | 07:45 |
| se7en | redrick: should I forward my email to Debian? | 07:45 |
| redrick | Benefits a lot more people, for one thing. | 07:45 |
| se7en | Maybe you could | 07:45 |
| se7en | My mail setup hardly works right rn and I'm supprised my bug report even was sent | 07:46 |
| redrick | If there's a bug in bugs.debian.org, adding your details would IMO be the right course of action. | 07:46 |
| golinux | I'd deal with one issue at a time in a very detailed manner that they will have to take seriously. | 07:47 |
| redrick | As to my forwarding your mail, I probably don't even have it, as I tend to delete most of my local copies of Dng mail as I go. | 07:48 |
| se7en | I sent it three hours ago | 07:48 |
| redrick | And you really don't want me as an intermediary, anyway. | 07:48 |
| golinux | Rants and complaints will get you nowhere with the Debian crowd. | 07:48 |
| redrick | Actually, to correct that, I do have your 'Multiple problems with upgrade' post, but what golinux said is the important bit. | 07:50 |
| redrick | se7en: BTW, nothing wrong with the 'lo' portion of the interfaces file you posted. 'lo' being down isn't being caused there, IMO. | 07:56 |
| se7en | Yeah | 07:58 |
| se7en | So why do I have to bring it up | 07:58 |
| redrick | I'm trying to assist you by telling you what you do _not_ need to check. | 08:02 |
| redrick | I am not, nor have I ever been, a Magic 8-Ball. ;-> | 08:03 |
| se7en | well ok | 08:03 |
| redrick | Odds are, since we don't have about 200 other people complaining about loopback being broken after upgrade, it's something different about your host. | 08:04 |
| redrick | Either that or cosmic rays.</facetious> | 08:04 |
| redrick | On the torify mutt problem, any chance you have AppArmor enabled? (To my knowledge, that is not a normal Devuan thing.) | 08:05 |
| se7en | Idk | 08:07 |
| se7en | I never installed, nor configured apparmor | 08:07 |
| se7en | I seem to have it installed though | 08:07 |
| redrick | In searching on your error, I found this, which unfortunately states the remedy in systemd terms: https://tor.stackexchange.com/questions/15185/directory-cannot-be-readed-permission-denied-after-update-to-0-3-0 | 08:10 |
| se7en | Also, is Pulseaudio supposed to be installed in Devuan? | 08:10 |
| se7en | When I installed devuan, it seemed to have it | 08:10 |
| se7en | I seem to still have traces after removing it | 08:10 |
| golinux | yes. pulseaudio is installed. Even in jessie I had to keep one lib | 08:11 |
| golinux | Now FF quantum has it as a dependency | 08:11 |
| se7en | I don't use that | 08:12 |
| golinux | Try with apluse instead. It's like a shim that fools FF into thinking pa is there. | 08:12 |
| golinux | Right . . . tor | 08:12 |
| se7en | I installed apulse | 08:13 |
| se7en | It doesn't work right | 08:13 |
| golinux | Did you read how to configure it? | 08:14 |
| se7en | It doesn't work out of box? | 08:14 |
| se7en | Then I'm dumb | 08:14 |
| golinux | Don't ask me though. I'm still on jessie so haven't crossed that bridge. | 08:15 |
| golinux | There are posts here and there that discuss it. | 08:15 |
| golinux | Quite a few things in Linux don't work OOTB. | 08:16 |
| redrick | se7en: Still on the torify mutt thing, I suspect you have to set the relevant AppArmor profile to 'unconfined' or something. Stuff here about Debian implementation: https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor/HowToUse | 08:16 |
| se7en | Will look into that, redrick | 08:28 |
| redrick | Good fortune to you! | 08:32 |
| redrick | Or, as the YA book said, may the odds be ever in your favour. ;-> | 08:34 |
| role3 | Hi | 14:31 |
| role3 | Anybody here with experience on keyboard layouts? | 14:31 |
| role3 | I am having trouble making the accent keys on my portuguese keyboard work. | 14:31 |
| aggrora | role3: maybe this would help you https://gitlab.com/snippets/1792397 | 15:20 |
| aggrora | it is notes that I wrote down when I wanted to make so that my switch-page keys would work as pgup and pgdn | 15:21 |
| role3 | aggrora: I'll keep it. Thanks. | 16:14 |
| role3 | 'leave | 17:27 |
| enyc | Hrrm | 21:17 |
| enyc | what is the state of ascii+1 anyway? | 21:17 |
| premoboss | hi dudes, there is a way to set a permanent image background (aka: wallpaper) on pure CLI interface? tghe best will be to place different wallpaper on different teminame (ALT-f1, ALT-f2, ecc) | 22:03 |
| premoboss | terminal* | 22:03 |
| KatolaZ | premoboss: you might want to give a look at fbterm maybe | 22:07 |
| KatolaZ | but it's not exactly what you are looking for | 22:07 |
| KatolaZ | you can run fbterm from each console | 22:07 |
| KatolaZ | IIRC fbterm allows you to have different bg colors | 22:07 |
| KatolaZ | it looks like it has also bg images | 22:08 |
| premoboss | ok i wiull have a look, thanks,. | 22:09 |
| premoboss | KatolaZ. | 22:09 |
| premoboss | from terminal 1 (alt-f1) is it possible to launch a program (let say, mc) onto terminal 2 (alt-f2)? | 23:34 |
| Xenguy | I've never heard of such a thing... | 23:42 |
| Xenguy | How about tmux or screen? | 23:43 |
| KatolaZ | no premoboss | 23:44 |
| KatolaZ | terminals are controlled by getty | 23:44 |
| KatolaZ | which spawns a "login" process for each instance | 23:44 |
| KatolaZ | so you first need to login on a console before using it | 23:44 |
| KatolaZ | use screen or tmux | 23:45 |
| premoboss | ok. | 23:45 |
| premoboss | also "linux magic" has some limit :-) | 23:45 |
| KatolaZ | there is no magic around | 23:45 |
| KatolaZ | there are incantations | 23:46 |
| KatolaZ | but no magic :) | 23:46 |
| premoboss | maybe i can set some tricks to make all consoles to do autologin? | 23:46 |
| premoboss | final gol is to make background image on all consoles (alt-f1, alt-f2, ecc) | 23:46 |
| premoboss | so i i do autologon on all of them mayby then i can activate fbterm (already done) with background. | 23:47 |
| * Xenguy notes that incantations are spells of a sort... | 23:51 | |
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