brocashelm | YES! i got beowulf repos switched | 03:14 |
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brocashelm | i followed this tutorial: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 now i'm on kernel 4.19 | 03:15 |
golinux | brocashelm: congrats! | 03:22 |
brocashelm | thank you! | 03:22 |
brocashelm | just need to fine-tune it some more | 03:23 |
brocashelm | its previous distro (mint 18.3 xfce) used about 300 mb on idle, but devuan so far is using 500 mb on idle (even though i unchecked useless services at startup). i also have problems getting the mouse to automatically be fast and responsive like it used to be. having problems with xfce-dusk-gtk3 because whiskermenu (for example) looks crappy, and that's really my preferred dark theme for xfce (adwaita has a good one, too, though). i'm also hoping i can | 03:25 |
brocashelm | also, if i can find a way to have eth0 stop auto-connecting aggressively via network-manager and let it wait before i choose to connect, that would be excellent | 03:27 |
fsmithred | xfce doesn't normally use that much | 04:02 |
gnarface | yea that's a puzzle to me too, i wonder if the difference could be kernel related, or if there's a compositor present or something else that wasn't there before | 04:02 |
brocashelm | ya, it's really pissing me off | 04:03 |
fsmithred | brocashelm, did you migrate mint to devuan, or did you do a fresh install? | 04:03 |
brocashelm | fresh install | 04:04 |
gnarface | upgraded from ascii, right? | 04:04 |
gnarface | or is this from one of those test installers? | 04:04 |
brocashelm | ascii | 04:04 |
brocashelm | i followed that thread's instructions above | 04:04 |
gnarface | the first thing i would check is to see what all drivers it's loading that didn't exist in that kernel mint was using (4.4?) | 04:05 |
fsmithred | yeah, that should work | 04:05 |
fsmithred | you don't need to pin all the packages listed there | 04:05 |
gnarface | the second thing i would check is to see what else xfce is launching that you might not have been aware was installed | 04:05 |
fsmithred | new policykit in beowulf works | 04:05 |
fsmithred | Session and Startup | 04:06 |
brocashelm | i removed things like evolution-calendar | 04:06 |
gnarface | the third thing i would check is to make sure it's not just different caching behavior, or a side-effect of forgetting the consequences of omitting a swap partition while being low on ram, or something like that.... | 04:06 |
fsmithred | Application Autostart | 04:06 |
brocashelm | the latest kernel i used with mint was 4.15.43 | 04:06 |
brocashelm | i don't use swap (file or partition) anymore | 04:06 |
gnarface | did you on mint though? that extra data has to go somewhere | 04:07 |
brocashelm | not at all | 04:08 |
gnarface | hmm | 04:08 |
fsmithred | run ps_mem.py | 04:08 |
brocashelm | another issue is that just by removing slim, i'm not authorized to do things like mount/umount drives or connect to the internet (via nm) | 04:09 |
gnarface | that's expected behavior | 04:09 |
brocashelm | well, i want graphical greeters gone and just load up xfce via .xinitrc | 04:10 |
brocashelm | this was not a problem on ubuntu mint | 04:10 |
gnarface | mint was using systemd? | 04:10 |
brocashelm | yes | 04:10 |
brocashelm | although i switched the init to upstart | 04:11 |
brocashelm | tried whatever i could to switch some packages to systemd-purified versions, but failed as things like udisks2 and gvfs were complaining | 04:11 |
brocashelm | as well as policykit-1 | 04:11 |
fsmithred | check if elogind and libpam-elogind are installed | 04:11 |
gnarface | brocashelm: there's a few ways to skin this cat | 04:12 |
brocashelm | both are installed | 04:12 |
fsmithred | ok, now that I think about it, those won't give you the powers you seek, but do allow you to run X without a display manager | 04:13 |
gnarface | there is the sudo/su/gksu approach, or you could launch Xorg as suid root, or you could just add yourself to the right groups | 04:14 |
gnarface | there's probably a couple other methods i'm forgetting too | 04:14 |
fsmithred | for window manager only, I set up sudo for shutdown/reboot and use pmount for removable drives | 04:14 |
fsmithred | sometimes sudo for network, too, but I don't need to use that much | 04:15 |
gnarface | i use su for mounts but groups for most the other stuff | 04:15 |
gnarface | but i had already learned to do it that way before there were any other options | 04:16 |
fsmithred | oh yeah, no gksu in beowulf. We're supposed to use pkexec instead. | 04:22 |
golinux | Yeah. gksu is deprecated | 04:39 |
va7lnx | is webmin dead? or is there a better tool for administering samba using a web browser? | 05:08 |
gnarface | i don't think debian supports it | 05:16 |
gnarface | there are packages out there but they kinda run roughshod on your system | 05:16 |
gnarface | if you're gonna install that, i recommend you make a backup of your system first | 05:19 |
gnarface | maybe it's also dead now, i don't know, but the thing about it not being in debian is old news | 05:20 |
va7lnx | gnarface: well, it's a new system so I don't care much | 05:35 |
va7lnx | i really only want to manage samba | 05:39 |
va7lnx | maybe I could use "swat" instead | 05:39 |
Droidus | Hi , just sucessfully installed devuan x86 on three Compaq Evo n610c (Pentium 4 , 750 ram) peformance equals the lubuntu bionic install on equal machines. | 12:32 |
Droidus | Lubuntu newst version needs 1 gig, also using qt. | 12:33 |
xcm | And I thought my T2130 was old | 16:36 |
zalewski | kill -9 pulseaudio | 17:08 |
_abc_ | Hi. I have a cp -adr problem on ascii. Copied a large ~10GB tree ($HOME) to backup as above, then diff -rb on the 2 yielded differences and diff got stuck, there are circular links. | 17:29 |
_abc_ | Then I did find ./ -fprtinf $here '%p %s\n' on each, which ran in 3 secs or so | 17:29 |
_abc_ | Then I sorted the 2 outputs and then I ran diff on the sorted outputs. | 17:30 |
_abc_ | Result: the directory sizes were different. Some were larger, some were smaller. The smaller one were explained by someone in #bash who said dirs grow in size when things are added to them but never shrink. The increases in size are unexplainable. | 17:30 |
_abc_ | Question: should I worry? Any kind of backup or forensic copy would go ape$it from such behavior. | 17:31 |
_abc_ | Should I worry? (I worry, the people on #bash told me not to - so I worry more) | 17:31 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: are you using different filesystems on the two partitions? | 17:34 |
fsmithred | KatolaZ, you here? | 18:29 |
fsmithred | or parazyd | 18:29 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: ? | 18:31 |
KatolaZ | only briefly | 18:31 |
KatolaZ | wazzup? | 18:31 |
fsmithred | hi | 18:33 |
fsmithred | I want to push changes to live-sdk | 18:33 |
fsmithred | and I want to make sure I'm doing it right before I do it | 18:33 |
fsmithred | I wanted to change the name of my blend and update it so it's accurate | 18:33 |
fsmithred | deleted the devuan-live dir and made devuan-desktop-live | 18:33 |
fsmithred | organized like the minimal live with separate dir for the release | 18:34 |
fsmithred | tested it and it works | 18:34 |
fsmithred | git status shows me all the files I deleted and just the directory I created (not the files) | 18:34 |
fsmithred | can I just git add -A, git commit -a and then push? | 18:34 |
fsmithred | KatolaZ, ^^^ | 18:35 |
_abc_ | KatolaZ: the 2 partitions are ext2 | 18:36 |
_abc_ | Hi fsmithred. I don't know anything about git. Git is rumored to have too many options. | 18:37 |
fsmithred | lol | 18:37 |
fsmithred | I know a little | 18:38 |
fsmithred | and I can't argue against you on that point | 18:38 |
furrywolf | I've failed to figure out git too. | 18:38 |
_abc_ | https://xkcd.com/1597/ https://xkcd.com/1296/ | 18:38 |
_abc_ | I think you're at reply #3 in cartoon #1 now | 18:39 |
fsmithred | yeah, reading the first one, I see that I do know git! | 18:40 |
furrywolf | I spent more time fighting with git when I was fixing alsa-lib bugs than I did fixing bugs. | 18:42 |
furrywolf | git's incredible unfriendlyness makes me think it reduces community involvement in fixing bugs. heh. | 18:44 |
furrywolf | at no point did I understand why any of the directions I found online would do something, or why git did what other thing it did instead. | 18:44 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: did you add the new folder? | 18:49 |
fsmithred | no git add yet | 18:49 |
fsmithred | I have to do that first and then the files? | 18:49 |
KatolaZ | wait | 18:49 |
KatolaZ | did you already moved the folder? | 18:49 |
fsmithred | yeah, I moved the original | 18:50 |
KatolaZ | git mv? | 18:50 |
fsmithred | no | 18:50 |
KatolaZ | you need to use git mv | 18:50 |
KatolaZ | so that the history is preserved | 18:50 |
fsmithred | ah, ok | 18:50 |
fsmithred | I can move it outside the repo with git mv? | 18:50 |
KatolaZ | well no | 18:50 |
KatolaZ | if you want to rename FOLDER_OLD into FOLDER_NEW | 18:51 |
KatolaZ | just do | 18:51 |
KatolaZ | git mv FOLDER_OLD FOLDER_NEW | 18:51 |
fsmithred | and then I can replace the files? | 18:51 |
KatolaZ | no need | 18:51 |
KatolaZ | I mean, you will have the folder in place | 18:51 |
KatolaZ | what do you mean by replace the files? | 18:51 |
fsmithred | yeah, I'm not going to edit the files that are there, easier to replace them. Some just get deleted. | 18:52 |
KatolaZ | ok | 18:58 |
KatolaZ | after you do `git mv` you will see with `git status` that git did the intended thing | 18:58 |
fsmithred | cool | 18:58 |
KatolaZ | (it deleted the previous stuff and added the "new") | 18:59 |
fsmithred | I got a big list of renamed files (new path) | 18:59 |
KatolaZ | ok | 18:59 |
fsmithred | do I have to do git rm on each file, or can I just rm them and then git add -A? | 19:00 |
KatolaZ | you must `git rm` if you want them to be removed from the repo | 19:01 |
fsmithred | ok | 19:01 |
fsmithred | looks like I need to add and commit before I can do other stuff | 19:01 |
KatolaZ | yep | 19:02 |
KatolaZ | you need to commit | 19:02 |
fsmithred | it's also telling me that I need to add sdk because I modified it | 19:03 |
fsmithred | but it's not a new file | 19:03 |
fsmithred | (I just changed the name in the blend map) | 19:03 |
_abc_ | https://medium.freecodecamp.org/7-git-hacks-you-just-can-t-ignore-41aea137727a?gi=ff0d7f1ff20a #2. seems to address what you want? Unless I misread? /me knows how to git clone * and then rm -rf and repeat | 19:06 |
fsmithred | I'm getting there... | 19:07 |
_abc_ | Git + spaghetti = spagitty ;; +10 points /me likes | 19:07 |
_abc_ | from link above | 19:07 |
furrywolf | 500 error on that url. :( | 19:08 |
_abc_ | eh? | 19:08 |
furrywolf | worked the second try. | 19:08 |
_abc_ | https://medium.freecodecamp.org/7-git-hacks-you-just-can-t-ignore-41aea137727a maybe so? | 19:08 |
_abc_ | Deleted tracking cookie | 19:08 |
_abc_ | Is linus still involved with git development or is this like linux, he dropped the load on the world and moved on? :) | 19:14 |
* _abc_ will never forgive him for letting systemd into the house | 19:14 | |
_abc_ | Haha. Reading headlines: Germany's Saxonia state has decided to move government over from Linux back to Windows. And now they are getting sued for trying to do that. | 19:26 |
_abc_ | Saxony? | 19:30 |
fsmithred | KatolaZ, I'm not allowed to push code to this project. | 19:40 |
xrogaan | _abc_: near Denmark | 20:35 |
xrogaan | well, south of berlin. | 20:36 |
xrogaan | wow, I was totally wrong. I need to review my geography :P | 20:37 |
xrogaan | I was refering to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Saxony | 20:38 |
_abc_ | South-Eastish of Berlin :) | 20:38 |
_abc_ | Well Westish in fact | 20:39 |
xrogaan | But the modern Saxony is on the east side of Germany, bordering the Czech republic. | 20:39 |
_abc_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsen-Anhalt nyet | 20:39 |
xrogaan | That's Saxony-Anhalt, you also have Saxony (free state of): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxony | 20:40 |
_abc_ | Oh yes Sachsen is South of Berlin, S-Anhalt is the other one | 20:40 |
_abc_ | I think the Linux debacle is in Sachen | 20:40 |
_abc_ | *Sachsen | 20:40 |
_abc_ | Err the ex DDR states were Sacshen Sachsen-Anhalt Brandenbug Berlin and err the northern one I always forget with Rostock in it | 20:41 |
_abc_ | Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. And that's why I don't remember it. Can't :) | 20:42 |
_abc_ | And Thuringia I think. Now I crave a Thuringian Weisswurst. | 20:42 |
_abc_ | This is way off topic. | 20:42 |
xrogaan | I can't find any recent news about the linux desktop and saxony | 20:43 |
_abc_ | It's too recent. It's in heise.de in German | 20:43 |
_abc_ | It's not the desktop it's the tax authority/IRS. | 20:43 |
* furrywolf doesn't know much about germany | 20:43 | |
furrywolf | somehow having several Eisbrecher albums on my playlist hasn't improved my knowledge of german one bit. :) | 20:44 |
xrogaan | Germany is what remains of the HRE, if I recall correctly. | 20:45 |
_abc_ | And it's in Niedersachsen which is again another state | 20:45 |
_abc_ | https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Windows-Zwangsmigration-in-Niedersachsen-Linux-als-Opfer-der-Politik-4128383.html this is the article in German | 20:45 |
xrogaan | who's suing them? | 20:46 |
_abc_ | Google translate is the only option for now :) I read German, I read it. | 20:46 |
_abc_ | https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Windows-Zwangsmigration-Strafanzeige-gegen-niedersaechsische-Landesregierung-4309953.html this is about the lawsuit | 20:47 |
_abc_ | Axel Braun, CEO of the company Axxite is suing. | 20:48 |
fsmithred | how does he have standing? | 20:48 |
_abc_ | Hm? It says the lawsuit is half gag. But he is a taxpayer and he can sue. | 20:49 |
xrogaan | huh | 20:51 |
_abc_ | Interestingly, he's in another state. | 20:51 |
_abc_ | No Germans here to explain better? DocScrutinizer05 ? | 20:51 |
fsmithred | what I'm reading says he's filing criminal charges, not suing. | 20:51 |
_abc_ | Yes for sabotage and breaching GDPR/data protection law and such | 20:51 |
furrywolf | speaking of google translate, someone in another channel I'm in was having great fun translating various ascii faces... for example, it translates "owo uwu" to "cheapest", "owo uwu owo" to "human trafficking", and other utterly random things. :) | 20:52 |
_abc_ | furrywolf: those characters probably mean something in a language or several. African probably? Or Asian. | 20:52 |
_abc_ | It's like Perl. Every character does something, including punctuation. | 20:53 |
_abc_ | (but Python leads there - significant whitespace!) | 20:53 |
xrogaan | or actual criminals uses google translate to talk to each others. | 20:55 |
xrogaan | The translation being user based and all. | 20:56 |
furrywolf | the things it translates to get incredibly random | 20:58 |
furrywolf | "owo uwu uwu uwu owo uwu owo owo" => "fishing unemployment rates for people", owo uwu uwu uwu owo owo owo owo" => "a low cost car hire", etc. :) | 20:59 |
furrywolf | "owo uwu uwu uwu owo owo owo owo uwu owo owo uwu uwu owo owo owo uwu uwu owo owo" => "No local traveler's duty is to hire a person who is a legitimate traveler" | 21:00 |
furrywolf | eventually it starts turning into complete paragraphs. :P | 21:00 |
xrogaan | IGBO? | 21:00 |
furrywolf | apparantly | 21:01 |
_abc_ | IGBO? | 21:04 |
xrogaan | Igbo, people from Nigeria. | 21:05 |
furrywolf | who either have a language where faces and animal sounds translate into complex sentences, or who have a language that breaks google translate. :) | 21:05 |
_abc_ | There's Ningbo from China I think | 21:05 |
DonkeyHotei | there are many internet memes about google translation from somali | 21:07 |
MinceR | rotfl | 21:08 |
_abc_ | There's this click and whistle based North African language. I wonder how google translate would fare with that. | 21:10 |
DonkeyHotei | being bilingual, it never ceased to amaze me just how badly google translate handled _english_ | 21:10 |
_abc_ | Well a lot of people only speak their local regional incomprehensible accent and the same thing much louder when asked "ey?" | 21:11 |
MinceR | https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=owo%20owo%20owo%20owo%20uwu%20uwu%20uwu%20uwu%20owo%20owo%20owo%20owo%20uwu%20uwu%20uwu%20owo%20owo%20owo%20owo%20owo%20owo%20owo%20owo%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu%20owo%20uwu | 21:19 |
MinceR | 2deep4u | 21:19 |
furrywolf | lol | 21:22 |
furrywolf | you could just paste the input and the output, not the url, you know. :P | 21:22 |
furrywolf | LOL, if you take that exact string, and add "!!!!!" to the end of it, it changes to "A person who is a victim of a lack of adequate accessibility to a person who is a legitimate person does not have the right to live in a state of emergency .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" | 21:24 |
furrywolf | every excalamation mark you add entirely changes the translation | 21:25 |
DonkeyHotei | what you are seeing is google translate's complete inability to parse natural language | 21:26 |
MinceR | what we're dealing with here is a total lack of respect for the law | 21:26 |
furrywolf | .... LOL. adding "!!!!!!!" to that same string gives you... "hijackers hijackers hijackers hijackers hijackers hijackers hippopotamus hippopotamus hippopotamus hippopotamus hippopotamus pecunia pecunia pecunia pecunia pecunia pecunia pecunia pecunia facilius !!!!!!!" I bet you cold make a meme out of that... | 21:26 |
DonkeyHotei | it's not especially better if you tell it to translate actual correct english into something else you speak | 21:26 |
furrywolf | MinceR: stop making me waste time. :P | 21:27 |
* furrywolf goes back to figuring out clearances around breaker panels per nec 110.26 | 21:27 | |
MinceR | lol | 21:28 |
_abc_ | Sounds like google translate talked a bit to those ai programs they got to talk to each other to see how they would communicate. | 21:29 |
_abc_ | They had to stop it since they evolved a language just like that, just some letters which kept growing or repeating. Very efficient. | 21:29 |
_abc_ | The researchers got exactly what they asked, just did not like the result. | 21:29 |
MinceR | Then the customer exclaimed with a snarl and a taunt, | 21:30 |
MinceR | "It's just what we asked for, but not what we want!" | 21:30 |
_abc_ | Exactly. | 21:30 |
_abc_ | Real life memories. | 21:30 |
furrywolf | I like how even the slightest punctuation change changes the _entire_ translation. | 21:31 |
_abc_ | The ai's who made up the funny language I alluded to worked like that. It was very efficient since it was a huffman tree index code. | 21:32 |
furrywolf | I just got "cashier? A lawyer is a member of the National Assembly of the United States of America." from that same string. | 21:32 |
_abc_ | Of course every change changes the meaning, that is the point. | 21:32 |
DonkeyHotei | furrywolf: in some languages, that really happens | 21:32 |
_abc_ | furrywolf: that is falling off the rails fast. | 21:32 |
furrywolf | " A fishing boat can not be leaked enough for a traveler to stay awake." | 21:33 |
furrywolf | same string. | 21:33 |
DonkeyHotei | anyway, i suspect that at some point there will be a request to take this convo to #debianfork | 21:33 |
_abc_ | Soon soon. | 21:33 |
_abc_ | furrywolf: now try the reverse: feed it the output it gave. This is an important translation machine test. | 21:34 |
furrywolf | lol | 21:34 |
_abc_ | I am not even half kidding | 21:34 |
furrywolf | "owo owo uwu uwu owo owo uwu uwu uwu owo awwoooooo?" => "The unemployed traveler is not allowed to travel to the beach" => "A naghị ekwe ka onye njem na-enweghị ọrụ gaa njem n'ụsọ osimiri" => "An unemployed traveler is not allowed to travel on the beach" => "Enweghị onye njem na-enweghị ọrụ ịga njem n'ụsọ osimiri" => "No traveler traveling on the beach" => "Enweghị onye njem na-agagharị n'ụsọ osimiri" => "No traveler tr | 21:37 |
golinux | What does any of this have to do with Devuan support? Please take it to #debianfotk to keep the loges manageable. | 21:39 |
hijack | hi guys | 21:40 |
hijack | is libsystemd0 removed yet? | 21:40 |
furrywolf | hrmm, no abc over there... | 21:41 |
golinux | hijack: No. Please read https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 | 21:54 |
xrogaan | libsystemd0 is required by quite a bit of softwares now | 21:55 |
hijack | yeah thanks | 21:55 |
golinux | furrywolf: Thanks for moving the chat. | 21:56 |
golinux | xrogaan: Please read the link I just posted | 21:56 |
_abc_ | What's in libsystemd0 ? I would like to know how long it takes to replace it with safe stubs... | 21:56 |
hijack | i think you can do that right now actually | 21:56 |
hijack | https://github.com/dimkr/nosystem | 21:57 |
hijack | the only thing that is in it systemd socket activation, probably | 21:57 |
golinux | The current file is harmless according to those who know better than I | 21:57 |
hijack | is* | 21:57 |
golinux | hijack: If you want to do that talk to the dev team. Tehy don't have time for cosmetic work. | 21:58 |
xrogaan | golinux: I know, 'just saying the lib is required by quite a lot of software now. How does it deviate from the link you posted? | 21:58 |
hijack | i mean xrogaan can replace it himself | 21:58 |
* _abc_ is unable to find a systemd.h file that is coherent. | 21:58 | |
golinux | It doesn't if you understand that it doesn't actually do anything. | 21:58 |
xrogaan | replace what? | 21:58 |
_abc_ | locate libsystemd0. -> nada | 21:59 |
_abc_ | So it would be provided as an empty dependency? | 21:59 |
golinux | It is just more trouble than it is worth to repackage several hundred packages to reomve something that does noting | 22:00 |
xrogaan | that's silly. | 22:00 |
* golinux actually has work to do | 22:00 | |
xrogaan | $ ldd mb_warband_linux |grep systemd >> libsystemd.so.0 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 | 22:00 |
hijack | i wonder why | 22:01 |
hijack | i guess it might try to check for some services or something? | 22:01 |
xrogaan | the list is quite huge though http://dpaste.com/3RMJNY5 | 22:02 |
xrogaan | I'd assume they're trying to be available on a wide range of systems? | 22:04 |
xrogaan | isn't systemd is a networkmanager too? | 22:05 |
MinceR | 16 215844 < golinux> It doesn't if you understand that it doesn't actually do anything. | 22:05 |
MinceR | for now. | 22:05 |
MinceR | and updates come from debian at rh/ibm's behest which could change that | 22:06 |
hijack | it has networkd but its optional | 22:06 |
hijack | and only intended for wired connections, for what its worth | 22:06 |
hijack | also had a remote code execution vuln recently i think | 22:06 |
golinux | MinceR: We'll deal with it if/when it becomes a problem. | 22:07 |
hijack | though i dont think any distro uses it by default | 22:07 |
MinceR | golinux: there will be a significant delay before it will be noticed. | 22:07 |
golinux | MinceR: Well you could volunteer to monitor it and sound the alarm. Or start repackaging . . . | 22:08 |
MinceR | i could, but i have various issues that hold me back | 22:09 |
golinux | We don't have the (wo)man power to do that. | 22:09 |
hijack | yeah same | 22:09 |
golinux | Well, there you have it. | 22:10 |
golinux | Either fix it or live with it | 22:10 |
MinceR | i workaround it for now | 22:10 |
golinux | How does that help Devuan? | 22:10 |
golinux | Oh, it doesn't . . . | 22:11 |
MinceR | indeed | 22:11 |
_abc_ | Wait, a GAME is pulling in systemd deps? mb_warband_linux ?! | 22:15 |
_abc_ | What the. We are doomed. Next they'll link nethack against systemd. What IS in that thing. Still have not found a header file. | 22:16 |
_abc_ | haha. Looked up systemd on alis, there is #systemd. Topic is proud: released version 241. Two hundred forty one. | 22:17 |
_abc_ | We need spies to lurk in #systemd | 22:19 |
xrogaan | _abc_: #debianfork | 22:20 |
xrogaan | because this is becoming off-topic :P | 22:22 |
_abc_ | Can anyone please tell, in a devuan context, what functions does libsystemd0.so provide? And where are it's headers? Other than in systemd git? | 22:24 |
_abc_ | The src debs for ascii are where on devuan servers? Or not at all on devuan servers? | 22:24 |
_abc_ | xrogaan: I agree it is somewhat off topic but you made me curious, now I need to know what's in that box. | 22:25 |
MinceR | it provides a bunch of functions which allegedly detect whether systemd is running and return doing nothing if it isn't | 22:25 |
_abc_ | Ah. And why would a game need to know about systemd? | 22:25 |
hijack | who knows | 22:26 |
MinceR | because everything must depend on systemd | 22:26 |
_abc_ | Well if a game would prepare to take over the system by privilege escalation it would need to know that imo. | 22:26 |
MinceR | nobody should be allowed to miss out on the nsa backdoor | 22:26 |
hijack | maybe a steam lib depends on it | 22:26 |
MinceR | it can do some damage even as your own user | 22:26 |
_abc_ | At some game motivational screen there will be a button unlocked by having 999 pink crystals collected marked "click take over system using systemd" | 22:27 |
xrogaan | It's not steam. | 22:28 |
xrogaan | Steam has it's own api and its own runtime. | 22:28 |
_abc_ | ascii relevant libsystemd0 is at v 232 https://packages.debian.org/stretch/libsystemd0 | 22:29 |
xrogaan | wouldn't apt-get source libsystemd0 give you the said sources? | 22:29 |
_abc_ | It would but I just want to see the whole picture now. | 22:29 |
xrogaan | You could try asking taleworlds, or reverse engineer the binary. | 22:30 |
_abc_ | 4.3MB .xz src is a bit much for just some functions which look inside it. | 22:30 |
xrogaan | There is more than just the libsystemd in there. | 22:31 |
_abc_ | lol the package has a dir called doc which has 2 README files, 1172 and 1046 bytes in size each | 22:31 |
_abc_ | That's it folks. The real docs are the source. Not in the source, the source. | 22:32 |
r3boot | .. except .. who actually reads sourcecode ... ;) | 22:32 |
_abc_ | I do. | 22:32 |
DonkeyHotei | i used to | 22:32 |
_abc_ | It's worth browsing that packages just as a memento as to why we really do not want that. It has a complete hw device database in it, duplicating the one used by dbus/etc | 22:33 |
_abc_ | under hwdb | 22:33 |
_abc_ | I meant udev | 22:34 |
r3boot | glad you have the time to actually do that. I bet it can consume a lifetime reading up about all the code you're running on a daily basis | 22:34 |
r3boot | (and keeping up with changes, etc) | 22:34 |
_abc_ | yes, but I do not read everything. Just interesting bits. I've re'd some things to improve them before. See peter5.50webs.com/free | 22:34 |
_abc_ | keeping up with changes will be interesting. version 241! | 22:35 |
_abc_ | the systemd really handles everything. There's src/backlight/backlight.c 15.5kbytes. Wow! | 22:35 |
r3boot | You're talking about https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-backlight@.service.html btw ? | 22:37 |
_abc_ | Probably. Insane. | 22:37 |
_abc_ | efi boot hooks too | 22:37 |
_abc_ | Did Linus allow the systemd people into the kernel or not? | 22:37 |
r3boot | did you actually read what it does? | 22:37 |
_abc_ | I just glazed over when I saw the file size. | 22:38 |
r3boot | ahja | 22:38 |
specing | he did not | 22:38 |
_abc_ | looking | 22:38 |
r3boot | _abc_: it's a service which saves/restores the backlight values which you define, the linux way, under /sys | 22:38 |
_abc_ | why would a function called find?pci?or?platform?parent() live in backlight.c? Would it not be shared across several utils?... | 22:39 |
r3boot | depends, what does it do? Can you explain it in your own words? | 22:40 |
_abc_ | Just reading that makes me sick. So a generic system resource walking function is in a specific device related file and not shared, and then it is hard coded used just below in validate_device which is again probably a generic function which should be parametrized and shared. | 22:40 |
_abc_ | validate_device walks down a the udev tree and checks against devices called "backlight" | 22:41 |
golinux | Please take systemd-reloated discussion to #debian-fork | 22:41 |
_abc_ | Right golinux you are right. | 22:41 |
golinux | This is a support channel. Thanks | 22:42 |
xrogaan | (it's #debianfork ; mind the typo if you're trying to join ;)) | 22:44 |
_abc_ | /join #devuan-defocus with me to continue this "fun" | 22:47 |
DonkeyHotei | _abc_: the channel is #debianfork | 22:48 |
_abc_ | I am on #devuan-defocus now | 22:49 |
_abc_ | alone for now | 22:49 |
DonkeyHotei | horse: water. | 22:50 |
golinux | Oops sorry for the typo | 22:50 |
xrogaan | _abc_: are you being obtuse on purpose? | 22:51 |
_abc_ | What do you mean? | 22:51 |
xrogaan | we keep telling you to join #debianfork | 22:52 |
_abc_ | I noticed. | 22:52 |
xrogaan | I know. | 22:52 |
DonkeyHotei | xrogaan: like people keep saying to use systemd? :D | 22:53 |
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