| xxadversaryxx | glad i found this | 01:34 |
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| xxadversaryxx | hello all | 01:34 |
| specing | Is there a guide on installing devuan via debootstrap? | 02:03 |
| specing | Can the i686 netinstall also install amd64 devuan? If so, why would even be an amd64 netinstall when the i686 one is smaller and more general? | 02:34 |
| specing | i386* | 02:34 |
| specing | there even be* meh, why am I always missing letters and whole words.. | 02:40 |
| gnarface | specing: debootstrap should work the same as debian. just use the devuan repos instead. i don't know if the debootstrap in debian has been actually patched to work for devuan yet though. | 03:07 |
| gnarface | (and the reason that there is a separate i386 and amd64 netinstall iso is because your primary stated assumption is wrong) | 03:08 |
| xrogaan | I used it successfully | 03:10 |
| xrogaan | wait no | 03:10 |
| specing | I only worry that I'll forget to apply some step that the installer does and be left with a half-broken system | 03:10 |
| gnarface | xrogaan: debootstrap from debian? i know it was broken at one point. there was a patch, but i don't know how far it's propogated, if it even made it to debian stable or not | 03:10 |
| specing | so I'll do the proper install but then just copy the install to the existing ssd | 03:10 |
| gnarface | xrogaan: i think it was a simple change though | 03:11 |
| xrogaan | I forgot how I built my chroot | 03:11 |
| * Xenguy could never grok chroot for some reason... | 03:11 | |
| xrogaan | probably debootstrap | 03:11 |
| fsmithred | specing, you can use a refracta iso to debootstrap devuan | 03:11 |
| fsmithred | there are instructions in the home dir | 03:11 |
| gnarface | specing: usually what goes wrong for people is they forget to install the kernel and grub | 03:11 |
| specing | fsmithred: I can do the bootstrap from Gentoo as well | 03:11 |
| specing | fsmithred: but there is value in the installer itself | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | have you tried it? | 03:12 |
| specing | fsmithred: no | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | I know we had to patch debootstrap to get it to work with devuan. I don't know what gentoo has. | 03:12 |
| xrogaan | debootstrap 1.0.89-devuan2.1 | 03:12 |
| xrogaan | the version has devuan in it | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | cool | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | I usually forget to set a root password | 03:13 |
| specing | Gentoo has debootstrap-1.0.114 from debian | 03:13 |
| fsmithred | xrogaan, were you listing a package from gentoo or devuan? | 03:14 |
| xrogaan | the one I have on this machine, so devuan | 03:14 |
| xrogaan | from ascii | 03:14 |
| fsmithred | oh | 03:14 |
| furrywolf | how's the current usability of testing? | 03:20 |
| fsmithred | pretty usable from what I can see | 03:21 |
| fsmithred | upgrade from ascii last week went smoothly | 03:22 |
| furrywolf | I'm thinking of switching to my other laptop as my main box, which has ascii on it, but I'd like newer versions of a number of things... | 03:23 |
| fsmithred | if any of those things are packages we change, check to see if they're done | 03:23 |
| furrywolf | applications, not system stuff. freecad, etc. | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | the policykit stuff is working, but you don't use any of that, do you? | 03:24 |
| furrywolf | it got installed, but I don't know if or how I use it. heh. | 03:24 |
| furrywolf | maybe I should just run frankendevuan.... | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | you're on icewm? | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | with or without display manager? | 03:25 |
| furrywolf | icewm, don't remember what display manager. | 03:26 |
| furrywolf | it's not the default one, because the default one didnt have the ability to select sessions properly, which was fucking idiotic. | 03:26 |
| * furrywolf turns it on and checks | 03:27 | |
| fsmithred | F1 in slim toggles through the list | 03:27 |
| fsmithred | most of them have a place to click for a list | 03:28 |
| furrywolf | using lightdm now | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | so yeah, you're probably using policykit and consolekit. | 03:30 |
| furrywolf | I don't remember what the original dm was (this is a fairly old install)... slim doesn't sound familiar. whatever it was wouldn't remember the last choice, and other issues. | 03:30 |
| furrywolf | I gave up on making it useful and replaced it. | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | me too | 03:31 |
| furrywolf | is there a way to pull specific packages from testing by specifying the release name instead of the package version? | 03:32 |
| furrywolf | i.e. tell it to install freecad from testing, and update it whenever testing has a new version, not hold it at the version you specify? | 03:32 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I think that would work, but it might break stuff | 03:32 |
| fsmithred | better to backport it | 03:32 |
| furrywolf | I've been frankening debian for a while, not too much breaks if you do that... but I've always done it by installing foo=1.2.3, which means it won't automatically upgrade it. | 03:33 |
| fsmithred | you can mix testing and unstable, but mixing stable and testing is risky | 03:33 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you can get away with it for some stuff | 03:34 |
| fsmithred | sometimes only for a short time | 03:34 |
| fsmithred | try backporting it. Some things build easily. | 03:35 |
| furrywolf | so, accepting that risk, is there a way to specify "foo from testing" rather than "foo version 1.2.3"? | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | apt-get -t beowulf install foo | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache policy foo | 03:36 |
| fsmithred | to see available versions | 03:36 |
| furrywolf | debian really needs a button for "I built this from source", not a process... | 03:39 |
| fsmithred | more likely it would be an obscure command | 03:40 |
| furrywolf | grrr, more menu stupidity... alsamixergui is in neither menu system. | 03:51 |
| furrywolf | rather than just removing systemd, can we entirely un-freedesktop debian? :P | 03:51 |
| furrywolf | I want an OS without a single thing they've touched. | 03:51 |
| * furrywolf sits on golinux so she stops bouncing around | 03:54 | |
| specing | If I were to document how to install on btrfs, should I make a new thread or hijack this one https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2175 ? | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: great, it helped :-) | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: un-FD great idea | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it seems freedesktop is the root of all evil | 04:07 |
| specing | it offers me two kernel images: linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 | 04:12 |
| specing | which should I pick? | 04:12 |
| specing | Something tells me the second one is just an alias for the first one | 04:12 |
| furrywolf | damnit, after a reboot my volume control keys no longer work | 04:19 |
| furrywolf | and I don't remember what I did like six months ago to make them work | 04:19 |
| furrywolf | ah. because I accidentally dragged in pulse while installing something. and now my audio has crackles and my keys don't work. and then I removed pulse, and now my audio sounds right and my keys work again. | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, that easy | 04:31 |
| furrywolf | how can pulse suck so badly, and distros include it? | 04:32 |
| furrywolf | oh, completely unrelated, but I made glib1.2, gtk1.2, and xmms compile on current gcc. should we package those? :) | 04:34 |
| furrywolf | glib was the only real task, as it used macros that don't work past gcc3.3.... | 04:35 |
| furrywolf | also needed to replace one of the configure files, as 64-bit targets didn't exist when they were written, and it couldn't id the system... | 04:37 |
| Centurion_Dan | o/ | 05:11 |
| Centurion_Dan | KatolaZ: Just had a report of a bare metal install of Devuan on TalosII with amd graphics!!! \o/ | 05:12 |
| golinux | Nice! | 05:14 |
| furrywolf | its Talos IV you really have to watch out for. | 05:15 |
| furrywolf | it's | 05:15 |
| * golinux is a trekkie | 05:16 | |
| furrywolf | do you have rubber ears? :) | 05:17 |
| golinux | Actually I did have a pair many years ago | 05:18 |
| golinux | We're way OT | 05:18 |
| furrywolf | somehow I can imagine you pointing out that emotions are irrelevant... :P | 05:18 |
| golinux | to #debianfork | 05:19 |
| gnarface | specing: yes, linux-image-amd64 just points to the current one. if you install it then you'll get kernel updates automatically, otherwise you have to pick them up manually | 05:43 |
| gnarface | (by that i mean, you'll get kernel updates along with regular package updates) | 05:43 |
| JollyRoger` | Ahoy shipmates! Yarr harr, I be confirmin' Devuan Ceres ppc64le now be smoothly sailin' with a full desktop experience on the POWER9 Talos II, oo-arr! Splice the mainbrace! | 05:54 |
| Centurion_Dan | ^^ | 05:54 |
| JollyRoger` | P.-D | 05:55 |
| JollyRoger` | A screenshot be comin' shortly! | 05:55 |
| * furrywolf doesn't think it's talk like a pirate day... | 06:00 | |
| JollyRoger` | For me, just about every day is talk like a pirate day :P. | 06:01 |
| KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: great news :) | 07:22 |
| Centurion_Dan | And even firefox works - that surporised us a bit ... | 07:39 |
| tyil | I have a VPS that I can boot into a rescue system, can I get a tarball of a base Devuan install to unpack into the VPS' harddrive to make it a bootable Devuan system (and if yes, where can I find this tarball)? | 08:08 |
| gnarface | tyil: check into debootstrap | 08:11 |
| tyil | I know that tool from Debian, but how can I get it from Devuan from a random rescue system? I can't boot the VPS from a Devuan installer ISO | 08:12 |
| gnarface | how did you boot it from the rescue system? | 08:14 |
| gnarface | can you boot a live iso with it? | 08:14 |
| gnarface | you could probably just copy the binaries | 08:15 |
| gnarface | i don't think debootstrap has a lot of dependencies | 08:16 |
| gnarface | if you're that determined, you can in fact probably just unpack the deb files from the installer manually | 08:16 |
| gnarface | but if you can't boot the VPS with an arbitrary ISO, i have doubts you'll be able to make any snapshot tarball boot either | 08:17 |
| tyil | there's an option to boot a rescue system, which gets me grml (which I haven't heard of before), and options to install Ubuntu, Debian or CentOS | 08:17 |
| gnarface | which debian? | 08:17 |
| tyil | 7 or 8 | 08:18 |
| tyil | oh, also a 9 | 08:18 |
| gnarface | all 3 of those should successfully upgrade to devuan after install | 08:18 |
| gnarface | so that's an option too | 08:18 |
| gnarface | maybe the easiest one | 08:18 |
| tyil | ah, then that may be easier :p | 08:18 |
| gnarface | definitely easier, probably slower | 08:19 |
| tyil | I was looking for a similar way as Gentoo, to just get a base system tarball, untar it into the root partition and set up a bootloader | 08:19 |
| tyil | eh, I'm not in a particular hurry | 08:19 |
| gnarface | i just don't know if such a tarball is laying around anywhere for devuan | 08:19 |
| tyil | I'm just looking to try out a non-systemd distro for my kubernetes minions | 08:19 |
| tyil | I don't know either, hence I asked :) | 08:20 |
| gnarface | of ot | 08:20 |
| gnarface | *if it'll | 08:21 |
| gnarface | ... let you do a minimal install, then it shouldn't take much longer to install debian then upgrade to devuan | 08:21 |
| gnarface | most the packages are the same | 08:21 |
| gnarface | that worked for me on one VPS i was renting somewhere | 08:21 |
| gnarface | no guarantees though, VPSes aren't all the same | 08:22 |
| furrymcgee | I dont know how to use a bootloader in a vps. you can try to scp, mount and debootstrap the iso image then chroot into the debootstrap directory. no reboot required for chroot and it will use same kernel. | 08:24 |
| gnarface | it depends on the type of VPS | 08:25 |
| gnarface | some of them don't even use a bootloader and will just ignore whatever you install | 08:26 |
| gnarface | for them, usually the kernel is actually the host's kernel version whatever you install too | 08:26 |
| gnarface | but if it's not too different of a kernel version usually that'll still work | 08:26 |
| gnarface | other VPS software will mimic a whole physical machine for the guest, boot sectors and all | 08:27 |
| gnarface | for that stuff, it might just come down to version compatibility and permission from the host system | 08:27 |
| tyil | gnarface: I'll try it out, thanks :) | 09:01 |
| gnarface | good luck | 09:01 |
| gnarface | do you know what type of VPS it even is? | 09:01 |
| gnarface | at some point, you're gonna want to know | 09:01 |
| tyil | gnarface: a vps with 1gb ram, 40gb hdd, 2 vCPU cores | 09:16 |
| tyil | or well, 40 gb ssd storage | 09:16 |
| gnarface | yea, but it might matter whether it's xen or vmware or whatever | 09:16 |
| tyil | oh | 09:17 |
| tyil | kvm | 09:17 |
| gnarface | that one *does* mimic hardware, but also makes it possible for them to prevent you from screwing with the boot process | 09:18 |
| tyil | eh, we'll see what happens | 09:18 |
| gnarface | it depends on how they set it up and how nice they are really | 09:18 |
| tyil | it's not the first time playing around with a VPS in unintended ways :p | 09:18 |
| gnarface | for science! | 09:19 |
| tyil | indeed | 09:19 |
| tyil | what good is a VPS if you can't have fun playing around with it after all | 09:19 |
| Centurion_Dan | tyll you should be able to use a vagrant or cloud image for that too. | 09:28 |
| tyil | I don't like vagrant I think, I've never used it | 09:28 |
| tyil | it's going to be a minion for a kubernetes cluster, so I'd rather keep it rather simple and not add additional layers where it's unneeded | 09:29 |
| tyil | I'm trying to find an article that gives me a list of commands to run to convert debian 8/9 to devuan now | 09:29 |
| Centurion_Dan | or build an image to your liking in a kvm guest and then tar it up and dump it. | 09:29 |
| Centurion_Dan | .. on the vps. | 09:30 |
| tyil | sounds like a lot of effort when I can just install Debian 8/9 and run some commands to fixed it | 09:30 |
| tyil | I'd have to compile kvm/qemu first on my laptop to get started with setting up a kvm guest here | 09:31 |
| Centurion_Dan | fair enough then.. | 09:33 |
| gnarface | tyil: check the forum in /topic, i | 09:36 |
| gnarface | it's been well documented | 09:36 |
| tyil | gnarface: yeah, I found something by now, but I'll check the forums too, thanks! | 09:37 |
| gnarface | tyil: and read the release notes! | 09:37 |
| specing | "The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found" | 18:05 |
| KatolaZ | specing: what are you trying to do? | 18:05 |
| markizano | apt-get install apt-transport-https | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | you need apt-transport https | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | oh | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | specing: note that deb.devua.org does *not* support https | 18:06 |
| specing | KatolaZ: trying to install Devuan ASCII to a qemu VM | 18:06 |
| markizano | comment out that https line first, and `apt-get update` to remove it from the package cache. | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | please pick an HTTPS mirror from the mirror list | 18:06 |
| specing | KatolaZ: I'm using my reverse proxy accessed via http | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | specing: then you know better than me | 18:07 |
| specing | and the reverse proxy goes out through https | 18:07 |
| KatolaZ | I don't know what your reverse_proxy does | 18:07 |
| specing | KatolaZ: it just pretends to be a devuan mirror | 18:07 |
| specing | forwarding all requests to https://ftp.fau.de and caching results | 18:07 |
| markizano | need to have `apt-transport-https` installed before it can connect. | 18:08 |
| specing | Given that this setup works for both Gentoo and Fedora, I must assume the problem is in devuan | 18:08 |
| specing | and this failure happens after it had already downloaded several megabytes | 18:08 |
| KatolaZ | specing: does your proxy cache everything? | 18:09 |
| KatolaZ | or only the first requests? | 18:09 |
| KatolaZ | specing: note that devuan repos make a heavy use of redirects... | 18:10 |
| KatolaZ | (I guess I mentioned that already, but I don't remember) | 18:10 |
| specing | KatolaZ: when a request comes for a url, it checks if it has it in cache. If so, it checks if timestamps changed on the server and if not, uses local cache | 18:11 |
| markizano | specing: use the http repos to install `apt-transport-https` first, and then use the https-proxy. | 18:11 |
| markizano | or include that package when bootstrapping the OS with `debootstrap` | 18:11 |
| specing | markizano: this is a http repo | 18:11 |
| specing | my proxy server is only available through http, not https | 18:11 |
| markizano | specing: ok, so what happens after you install apt-transport-https ? | 18:11 |
| KatolaZ | specing: I guess you can't rely much on timestamps, due to the redirects | 18:12 |
| KatolaZ | but I might be wrong here | 18:12 |
| specing | markizano: testing | 18:12 |
| specing | markizano: https://linx.li/devuanerrors.png | 18:15 |
| specing | too many to type out | 18:15 |
| specing | The forums have TLS difficulties | 19:00 |
| specing | I think I know what might have caused the issues | 19:03 |
| specing | for some reason the previous installation step was not finished | 19:04 |
| specing | This is strange, installer complains of failing to download a file, yet I am tailing proxy logs and all requests get code 200 replies | 19:19 |
| specing | and when pressing "Retry", there is no new log entry made | 19:20 |
| specing | and alt+f4 says that apt-install or in-target is already running | 19:21 |
| specing | rip | 19:22 |
| specing | looks like I'll need to make another VM | 19:22 |
| specing | or reformat inside the current one | 19:23 |
| specing | no, reformat did not help, the live cd is busted | 19:25 |
| specing | Ok, figured it out | 22:00 |
| specing | needed "proxy_redirect https://... /;" in nginx config | 22:00 |
| specing | disregard this, I only made it a bit further before hitting the issue again | 22:02 |
| specing | Yes, now it fails at select&install software, apparently | 22:08 |
| golinux | specing: Have you seen the documentation of how amprolla does it? | 22:09 |
| specing | nope | 22:10 |
| specing | who/what is amprolla? | 22:10 |
| golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 | 22:10 |
| golinux | Amprolla is how devuan sets up our repos | 22:10 |
| golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/files/amprolla.png | 22:12 |
| specing | golinux: Secure Connection Failed | 22:13 |
| golinux | You might also find some hints here: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt | 22:13 |
| specing | What is up with dev1galaxy.org? | 22:13 |
| golinux | Failed to what? d1g? | 22:13 |
| specing | it seems to be working now after doing what markizano suggested (installing apt-transport-https) | 22:14 |
| golinux | d1g is working fine here. | 22:14 |
| specing | golinux: An error occurred during a connection to dev1galaxy.org. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length. Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG | 22:14 |
| golinux | rrq: ^^^ | 22:14 |
| golinux | rrq does the backend admin for the forum | 22:15 |
| golinux | We do have some aggressive spam filters but don't know if that's related to your message. | 22:16 |
| golinux | rrq should just be waking up so be patient. | 22:16 |
| specing | Looks like 1.5GB for disk will not be enough for a gui-less install | 22:31 |
| KatolaZ | specing: what medium are you using to install? | 22:33 |
| KatolaZ | the base system form netinst requires about 300MB | 22:33 |
| KatolaZ | specing: you get to about 1GB if you selected "Console Productivity" | 22:34 |
| specing | KatolaZ: $ dd if=/dev/zero of=devuan.img bs=1M count=1500 | 22:34 |
| specing | I selected console productivity | 22:34 |
| specing | Why does console productivity need 1GB? | 22:35 |
| KatolaZ | specing: ehm, because it installs *a lot of stuff*? | 22:35 |
| KatolaZ | if you want a minimal system to build upon, just skip tasksel | 22:36 |
| specing | too late for that :) | 22:36 |
| specing | or maybe in next VM | 22:36 |
| KatolaZ | specing: just have a look at the list of packages installed by Console Productivity | 22:36 |
| specing | I'm definetely going to ruin this one smashing it into btrfs | 22:37 |
| specing | KatolaZ: how? | 22:37 |
| specing | I'm a refugee from Gentoo, I have no idea about apt | 22:37 |
| KatolaZ | apt-cache show console-productivity | 22:37 |
| KatolaZ | console-productivity is a meta-package | 22:38 |
| KatolaZ | it has "Recommends:" on a whole lot of other packages | 22:38 |
| KatolaZ | including a lot of games, network stuff, editors, etc. | 22:39 |
| specing | haha, no space left on device. RIP | 22:39 |
| watchcat | you can turn off recommends, too. | 22:40 |
| specing | KatolaZ: Why aren't there more software groups? E.g. I see a lot of groups for various full blown desktop environments, but there is absolutely none for tiling | 22:40 |
| KatolaZ | specing: what do you need for tiling, if not just the tiling wm of your choice? | 22:40 |
| MinceR | my guess is tiling wm-s came too late | 22:40 |
| MinceR | by then debian turned into gnome os :> | 22:41 |
| KatolaZ | no MinceR | 22:41 |
| specing | gnome os haha | 22:41 |
| KatolaZ | actually, there is little scope to have a metapackage to just include dwm and three more packages, IMHO | 22:41 |
| KatolaZ | you can just install them with apt-get | 22:41 |
| specing | ok | 22:41 |
| KatolaZ | but if there is a need for that, we can definitely think about it | 22:42 |
| watchcat | apt install xorg i3wm slim is pretty basic for a metapackage, i guess. | 22:42 |
| * KatolaZ shrugs | 22:42 | |
| MinceR | oh, also, i doubt there's any one tiling wm that's all that much more popular than the others | 22:42 |
| MinceR | and at the same time comes with a significant number of packages :> | 22:43 |
| KatolaZ | if we go down that lane, we should provide three-deps meta-packages for i3, xmonad, dwm, etc... | 22:43 |
| KatolaZ | yeah indeed | 22:43 |
| specing | at least you could offer these at tasksel stage, so people wouldn't have to chase down these packages | 22:43 |
| KatolaZ | specing: again, we should add something like 12 or 15 choices if we go down the route of tiling wms | 22:44 |
| KatolaZ | and basically to provide three or four packages for each choice | 22:45 |
| fsmithred | four pages of tasksel... | 22:45 |
| MinceR | maybe you can feed debian-installer a list of packages to also install by hand | 22:45 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 22:46 |
| KatolaZ | oh you mean as pre-seed? | 22:46 |
| MinceR | something like that | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | or do it the way everyone has been doing it for years - minimal install, reboot into system, add what you want | 22:49 |
| KatolaZ | well, if you have to do several installs, pre-seed is useful | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that makes sense | 22:54 |
| KatolaZ | MinceR: it looks like there is no standard component to do that | 22:55 |
| MinceR | i see | 22:57 |
| KatolaZ | MinceR: it wouldn't be hard to do, but I really don't see which niche it might fill, TBH | 22:58 |
| MinceR | maybe it would fill specing's need :) | 22:59 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 22:59 |
| KatolaZ | apt-get install already does, I guess | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | I want openbox with lxdm and lxpanel | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | miyo wants openbox with lightdm and tint2 | 23:05 |
| golinux | There would be infinite combos. Sounds like a huge headache to do that in the installer | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | mid-install you could chroot into the target, install xserver-xephyr and a few other things and then run synaptic in the target system | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | then it would be similar to some other distros' installers that let you choose from the entire repo for the install | 23:09 |
| KatolaZ | or, you could just reboot | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | but, but... | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | my first debian install, I tried to use dselect like suse's installer | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | browsing through the list and adding stuff | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | I got it so screwed up I had to start over | 23:13 |
| watchcat | "choose one from column A, one from column B..." | 23:13 |
| KatolaZ | I didn't have much choice than using dselect on my first Debian install... | 23:13 |
| KatolaZ | I still install it today | 23:13 |
| KatolaZ | and still use it sometimes | 23:13 |
| fsmithred | probably helps if you understand some basics of debian package management | 23:14 |
| KatolaZ | it's a neat tool | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | I expect I'd do better with it today than I did installing woody | 23:14 |
| KatolaZ | actually, it looks pretty much like the initial "dpkg" | 23:15 |
| KatolaZ | which is not anything like the "current" dpkg, at all | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | you mean aptitude? | 23:15 |
| KatolaZ | nope | 23:15 |
| KatolaZ | I mean dselect | 23:15 |
| KatolaZ | http://kalos.mine.nu/histlinux/index.html | 23:16 |
| KatolaZ | there is an image ^^^ of Debian 0.91 there | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | I just started it here | 23:16 |
| KatolaZ | give it a spin and run `dpkg` | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | text mode - no curses | 23:16 |
| KatolaZ | dselect? | 23:16 |
| KatolaZ | sure | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | yeah, dselect is installed here | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | 'dpkg' just tells me that I didn't tell it enough | 23:17 |
| KatolaZ | I meant that dselect is indeed heavily inspired to the original `dpkg` | 23:17 |
| KatolaZ | yeah, fsmithred | 23:17 |
| KatolaZ | dpkg was a different thing in the first one or two debian releases :) | 23:17 |
| KatolaZ | then it was re-written by Ian Jackson and a few others | 23:19 |
| fsmithred | holy shit, I just downloaded a whole OS in five seconds! | 23:20 |
| KatolaZ | what was that fsmithred? | 23:20 |
| KatolaZ | got high-speed bandwidth? | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | debian_0.91_qemu.img.xz’ saved | 23:21 |
| KatolaZ | HAHAHAHAHA | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | not terribly high - 1.97MB/s | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | in 5.8s | 23:21 |
| rrq | specing: join #d1g-users if you need to debug your d1g issue | 23:21 |
| KatolaZ | it would have taken several days back in 1994 | 23:21 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: I collected several other historical distros | 23:23 |
| KatolaZ | the idea was to make similas qcow images for them | 23:23 |
| KatolaZ | I still have to find the time for that :) | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | what's login/password? | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | root | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | no password | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | IIRC | 23:24 |
| fsmithred | yeah, tried that and it worked | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | the host is called "debra" | 23:25 |
| KatolaZ | hahahahahah | 23:25 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: there is an image with packages available as well | 23:27 |
| KatolaZ | you just need to run dpkg_process in /root | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I'm checking out package lists now | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | I want to try the monochrome xserver | 23:28 |
| KatolaZ | I don't remember how packages worked though | 23:29 |
| KatolaZ | there must be some doc in there I guess? | 23:29 |
| KatolaZ | oh maybe I just installed everything in that image? | 23:29 |
| KatolaZ | it looks like there is no X in that image | 23:32 |
| KatolaZ | but we are probably OT by now | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | 46 packages are installed | 23:32 |
| fsmithred | ok, I'm done | 23:33 |
| KatolaZ | I will get back to that project, sooner or later | 23:33 |
| KatolaZ | I have images for slackware 1.1, redhat 1.0, and also the mirrors of SLS, Yggdrasil, TAMU and MCC | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | wow | 23:36 |
| golinux | TAMU = Texas A & M University. LOL! | 23:45 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: I should put online the image which contains all the packages | 23:45 |
| KatolaZ | (for debian-0.91) | 23:45 |
| golinux | Right next to that image of the systemd hairball! | 23:47 |
| golinux | That would prove a point. | 23:47 |
| KatolaZ | ahahahahah | 23:48 |
| MinceR | the cultists wouldn't get it | 23:48 |
| golinux | But we would | 23:50 |
| KatolaZ | well, to little avail | 23:51 |
| KatolaZ | oh, I have to edit the X config file :D | 23:53 |
| KatolaZ | haven't done that in 10+ years I guess | 23:53 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 23:53 |
| fsmithred | xconfig? | 23:53 |
| KatolaZ | nope | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | KatolaZ, is it possible to make a netinstall iso that does both i386 and amd64? | 23:54 |
| KatolaZ | not invented yet | 23:55 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: don't think so, but I haven't looked into that | 23:55 |
| specing | in theory it should be easy | 23:55 |
| KatolaZ | no specing | 23:55 |
| KatolaZ | since udebs are arch-dependent | 23:55 |
| specing | cross debootstrap? | 23:55 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 23:55 |
| specing | well? | 23:55 |
| KatolaZ | that's not what we are talking about | 23:56 |
| golinux | specing: Maybe a project for you to develop . . . | 23:56 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred asked about a netinst | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | I know some of the directories from each could be put together, but I don't know about other parts | 23:57 |
| KatolaZ | I don't think it's possible since the repo in netinst is flat | 23:57 |
| fsmithred | and I know it's possible to add a live dir to the netinstall and have a bootable live system as a boot option | 23:57 |
| KatolaZ | but we should have a look at that | 23:57 |
| KatolaZ | yeah, but it's a live for the same arch I guess | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | but only one arch at a time | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | indeed | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | probably could be either arch - it has its own kernel and initrd | 23:58 |
| fsmithred | point of this is I'd like to have live isos and netinstall all on one usb | 23:59 |
| fsmithred | and netinstall can't find the cdrom when it's on a multiboot usb | 23:59 |
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