| user312321 | can someone help me with something? | 04:18 |
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| Jjp137 | it's better to ask your question directly | 04:20 |
| user312321 | right | 04:20 |
| user312321 | My USB drives would always be able to mount through the XFCE GUI, I'd just click the icon on my desktop and mount them | 04:21 |
| user312321 | today all of a sudden this doesn't work anymore, I get the message "failed to mount, not authorized to perform operation" | 04:21 |
| user312321 | any idea what could be causing this? | 04:21 |
| golinux | What release? | 04:23 |
| golinux | Could be a policykit consolekit mismatch. Have you read the release note (especially if you're on ascii) | 04:24 |
| user312321 | I'll sound like an idiot but I'm not sure, how do I find that out? | 04:24 |
| user312321 | I believe I am on ascii actually | 04:24 |
| golinux | Have you read the release notes? | 04:24 |
| user312321 | I haven't read the release note, is that just online? | 04:24 |
| golinux | Of course. | 04:25 |
| golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 04:25 |
| golinux | Look in the session management section | 04:26 |
| user312321 | I think I may know a possible cause, I tried installing the plymouth login manager IIRC | 04:26 |
| user312321 | based on what was posted here: https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95 | 04:27 |
| golinux | That is a banned package iirc | 04:27 |
| user312321 | why? | 04:28 |
| golinux | systemd dependencies https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 04:28 |
| user312321 | crap, I had no idea | 04:29 |
| golinux | You shouldn;'t just go installing stuff outside the devuan repos | 04:29 |
| user312321 | OK. I can't see the package in my package manager, though. is this because it's not in the repos so it won't show up even if installed? | 04:31 |
| golinux | Did you install with gdebi? | 04:32 |
| golinux | Then it would show up. | 04:32 |
| golinux | Just search for it. The package manager probably doesn't know it's there. | 04:32 |
| user312321 | I installed it from the command line, not the package manager, I think I blindly added an external mirror to the list of repos as well | 04:32 |
| user312321 | looking back I should not have done that | 04:32 |
| golinux | That's an understatement. | 04:33 |
| user312321 | I've removed the lightdm package from the command line as well, I think that was causing a conflict. | 04:35 |
| golinux | Have you read the release notes? | 04:35 |
| golinux | slim is the default in Xfce | 04:35 |
| user312321 | At the time I didn't realize the external packages I installed would interfere | 04:37 |
| user312321 | Thanks for the help | 04:38 |
| golinux | YW | 04:38 |
| golinux | Take a look at this wiki page https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian | 04:39 |
| user312321 | This is a good link, thanks man | 04:40 |
| golinux | Don;t create a Frankende**an | 04:40 |
| golinux | I bet you'll never try that again. You aren't the first and won't be the last. | 04:41 |
| user312321 | Life is a learning experience right now | 04:41 |
| golinux | Indeed. | 04:41 |
| user312321 | by the way, in recovery mode as root what is the proper way to revert to the defaults? | 04:42 |
| golinux | That is a definition of life. | 04:42 |
| golinux | I don't know that the damage can be reversed that can be done. | 04:42 |
| user312321 | I will probably reinstall and not try to break it again | 04:43 |
| golinux | But then I've never had to ask that question | 04:43 |
| user312321 | but I can start slim, and log in as a user account, but it goes to a black screen. | 04:43 |
| golinux | If it's new, yes would be easiest to just reinstall. | 04:43 |
| user312321 | so most likely I will reinstall | 04:43 |
| user312321 | yeah it's only a week or two old anyway | 04:43 |
| user312321 | on my spare laptop as well | 04:44 |
| golinux | Just backup anything important. | 04:44 |
| user312321 | I already did before, so I should be fine | 04:44 |
| golinux | Sounds like a plan. | 04:44 |
| user312321 | actually I think I'll try to fix it anyway, might as well learn some new things before I reinstall it anyway | 04:44 |
| user312321 | thanks for the help again | 04:44 |
| golinux | NP | 04:45 |
| user312321 | and good night (or morning, wherever you are). | 04:45 |
| golinux | You too and welcome to Devuan | 04:45 |
| user312321 | actually I figured I'd pop in since I actually just got things working again | 04:47 |
| user312321 | my drives mount properly and I've learned my lesson | 04:47 |
| golinux | What did you do? | 04:48 |
| user312321 | it was actually strange, I'm not entirely sure what I did that fixed it | 04:48 |
| user312321 | I restarted once into recovery mode, manually started slim, logged in as a regular user and met with a blank screen | 04:49 |
| golinux | Gremlins! LOL! Happy to hear that you're good to go. | 04:49 |
| user312321 | then I restarted into regular mode and slim started up, I logged in and the window system showed up as well | 04:49 |
| user312321 | yeah I appreciate the help, although it would be nice to have some closure on how the heck it fixed itself lol. | 04:50 |
| user312321 | now I'm logging out for real, thanks man | 04:50 |
| golinux | Sometimes starting stuff launched from tty works differently than from a normal user session. | 04:51 |
| gnarface | i've had problems where some session managers seem to cache old xorg configs unless they're completely closed before being restarted | 04:54 |
| gnarface | could have been something like that | 04:54 |
| gnarface | but really when you're dealing with preinst/postinst scripts in a package for another distro, there's no upper limit on the amount of stuff that can break in the hidden dark corners of apt/dpkg | 04:55 |
| golinux | gnarface: He nay discover that before long . . . | 05:34 |
| nr23 | hi. is there [y/n] a text that lays out the debian/devuan infrastructure? if yes would you mind shortcut me into it? I am sorry for bothering, I am giving a try in case anyone free. Thank you. | 16:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | not sure i understand the question | 16:51 |
| djph | nr23: ... is there ... what? | 16:54 |
| unixman | nr23, do you mean the file system hierarchy? | 16:54 |
| unixman | nr23, if that is what you mean, try 'man hier' at the command line. | 16:56 |
| nr23 | djph, unixman: I mean package servers, bug tracker, install media build systems, mailing list server, project source servers, website files, package manager design document, project decision philosophy rules, stuff necessary to vote, etc. | 17:07 |
| nr23 | e.g. everything the devuan project had to do to fork debian | 17:07 |
| nr23 | sixwheeledbeast: have not seen you sorry | 17:08 |
| nr23 | I aks so I not seen them over the years, what devuan just pulled off | 17:10 |
| unixman | If there is a single document anywhere that has all that, I have not seen it. | 17:12 |
| nr23 | unixman: so you like one thing after another? | 17:12 |
| unixman | nr23, I do not know what you mean to ask, so I do not know how to answer your question. Regardless, I suspect https://devuan.org/ is a good place to start finding out about the project. | 17:14 |
| nr23 | unixman: I thought it is a user website? | 17:21 |
| unixman | https://www.devuan.org/os/development | 17:21 |
| nr23 | unixman: o Thank you! | 17:21 |
| unixman | You're welcome. | 17:22 |
| KatolaZ | nr23: some of the information you are looking for is on https://www.devuan.org | 17:38 |
| KatolaZ | installation images are at https://files.devuan.org | 17:38 |
| KatolaZ | BTS is at https://bugs.devuan.org | 17:39 |
| KatolaZ | (linked from www.devuan.org) | 17:39 |
| KatolaZ | package information is at pkginfo.devuan.org | 17:39 |
| KatolaZ | (linked from www.devuan.org) | 17:39 |
| KatolaZ | the package sources are on git.devuan.org | 17:39 |
| KatolaZ | (linked from the development page) | 17:39 |
| gnu_srs1 | Hi, did anybody see this before? mkdir FOO; mv FOO BAR;mv: cannot move 'FOO' to a subdirectory of itself, 'BAR' | 19:53 |
| fluffywolf | nope. what filesystem, and have you fsck'ed it lately? | 19:55 |
| gnu_srs1 | It's ext2 on GNU/Hurd. And recently fsck'ed all partitions. | 19:56 |
| koollman | on hurd ? | 20:10 |
| koollman | but ... why ? :) | 20:10 |
| koollman | gnu_srs1: ls -ld BAR FOO | 20:11 |
| nr23 | KatolaZ: thank you! who builds the packages and the installation images? | 20:33 |
| nr23 | maybe sounds so personal, I mean where | 20:34 |
| nr23 | I mean someone a task is given... how to know what to do | 20:35 |
| nr23 | I try find out, just know... in case | 20:38 |
| gnu_srs1 | ls -ld BAR FOO | 21:07 |
| gnu_srs1 | ls: cannot access 'BAR': No such file or directory | 21:07 |
| gnu_srs1 | drwxr-xr-x 2 xxx xxx 4096 Feb 27 18:21 FOO | 21:07 |
| AntoFox | hi | 22:54 |
| AntoFox | if anyone is interested he can install gnome-shell from hezeh.org | 22:55 |
| system32 | Hi how can i schedule a backup using the command line ? i want the backup utility / the os to backup specific folders to a specific folder on a separate hard disk. the separate hard disk is mounted on startup so no worries there | 23:10 |
| system32 | i want it to back the home folder every 2 weeks at Friday | 23:11 |
| system32 | if you want to reply to my please ping me. | 23:13 |
| KatolaZ | system32: if you have no experience of backups, maybe it's better to start with one of those easy-to-use backup tools | 23:19 |
| KatolaZ | (just wondering) | 23:19 |
| system32 | well i backup my stuff on my windows machine | 23:20 |
| system32 | i have never backed up stuff on a linux system before | 23:20 |
| system32 | also what backup tool do you recommend ? | 23:20 |
| system32 | does that utility allow me to choose a time frame and a destination folder ? | 23:21 |
| KatolaZ | system32: I mostly do backups with rsnapshot or custom rsync scripts | 23:23 |
| system32 | apt install rsnapshot ? | 23:25 |
| KatolaZ | system32: if you have no previous experience of backups from cli, rsnapshot is not the right tool for you | 23:26 |
| KatolaZ | just google for "linux backup" and try one of the suggested tools | 23:26 |
| system32 | but the results are for those who have a GUI | 23:26 |
| system32 | i dont have a gui or a de | 23:27 |
| KatolaZ | are you on a command line? | 23:27 |
| system32 | yes | 23:27 |
| KatolaZ | then read the documentation for rsnapshot before installing it | 23:27 |
| system32 | im using ssh rn | 23:27 |
| system32 | well man rsnapshot does not say a lot of things | 23:29 |
| system32 | oh wait my bad. it scrolls down | 23:29 |
| KatolaZ | -_- | 23:30 |
| system32 | # All snapshots will be stored under this root directory | 23:30 |
| system32 | can i change that to my hard disk ? | 23:30 |
| system32 | is there an alternative to rsnapshot ? its too complicated for me. cant figure it out even after reading the manual | 23:38 |
| ericnoan | system32: There are multiple ways to achieve what you want. If you only want to backup your home folder to another hard drive every 2 weeks, rsync can take care of it along with a cron script | 23:39 |
| ericnoan | system32: but there are many other programs which can act as front-ends to rsync, or even use their own backup solution, i recommend you take a look at this page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Synchronization_and_backup_programs | 23:40 |
| ericnoan | You probably want to take a look at the incremental backup section | 23:41 |
| system32 | rsync is a separate utility or its part of rsnapshot ? | 23:41 |
| ericnoan | rsync is a standalone command line tool which just copies files, but it can handle incremental copies, so whatever hasn't changed won't be copied, only what has changed since the last backup | 23:42 |
| ericnoan | rsnapshot is a helper tool which uses rsync and simplifies some of the operations | 23:42 |
| system32 | well great. thats all i want. i just want it to copy the home folder. i dont care about the os. | 23:42 |
| ericnoan | system32: check that web page i sent you, the arch wiki is a very good resource to learn. but also try 'man rsnapshot' and 'man rsync', they will tell you what arguments to use | 23:43 |
| system32 | those are the list of apps that do Incremental backups right ? | 23:45 |
| ericnoan | yes under the incremental backups section | 23:46 |
| system32 | uhh im not sure which to choose. i wont do the backup over my network. | 23:48 |
| system32 | also rsync is pre-installed. | 23:48 |
| ericnoan | just use rsync or rsnapshot. to complete this task you must learn how to use the arguments (e.g. 'rsync -av | 23:52 |
| ericnoan | there are many tutorials online on how to do it, try googling 'rsync incremental backup' | 23:52 |
| system32 | will do. after setup, everything will be automated right ? | 23:53 |
| KatolaZ | system32: you need to automate it, either with rsnapshot or with rsync | 23:53 |
| KatolaZ | you need to create appropriate cron jobs to do that | 23:53 |
| KatolaZ | and make sure that your machine will be up when the cronjobs are due to run | 23:53 |
| system32 | oh god. its getting more FUN | 23:54 |
| system32 | its a server. its always on | 23:54 |
| ericnoan | yes, you just have to figure out the right rsync/rsnapshot command line, then make a cron job (cron means you can make something run every day/week/month etc...) | 23:54 |
| KatolaZ | system32: there is no fun without understanding though :) | 23:54 |
| KatolaZ | so maybe start with a simple tutorial on using rsync for incremental backups | 23:55 |
| ericnoan | i agree | 23:55 |
| system32 | yes. i am sure there is a tutorial on youtube | 23:55 |
| KatolaZ | no system32 | 23:56 |
| KatolaZ | you need a written tutorial | 23:56 |
| KatolaZ | a HOWTO | 23:56 |
| system32 | oh ok. | 23:56 |
| KatolaZ | video won't add any single bit of information | 23:56 |
| KatolaZ | if you want to learn, you must learn to learn first :) | 23:56 |
| KatolaZ | and reading manpages and howtos is part of the game | 23:56 |
| ericnoan | there probably is a video on youtube that explains it, but you can get the same information by following a howto. i found this rsync howto by doing a simple search https://www.marksanborn.net/howto/use-rsync-for-daily-weekly-and-full-monthly-backups/ | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | https://www.marksanborn.net/howto/use-rsync-for-daily-weekly-and-full-monthly-backups/ | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | ops | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 23:58 |
| ericnoan | lol great minds think alike | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | that's the first entry on duckduckgo for "incremental backup with rsync" :D | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | kek | 23:58 |
| ericnoan | haha thats uncanny | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | hahaha | 23:59 |
| KatolaZ | still system32, that's just a pretty rough introductory document to get you up and running | 23:59 |
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