golinux | parazyd: And moronic lives up to it's reputation. | 00:05 |
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Xenguy | The comments on that page are just dreadfully stupid | 03:11 |
Xenguy | Not the most enlightened crowd I'd say | 03:12 |
golinux | Hence the label "Moronix" | 03:19 |
specing | I don't agree with how systemd seems to be implemented, but I do agree that traditional init systems aren't cutting it for all purposes | 03:24 |
specing | what would be nice is a system management daemon in the form of a few collaborating programs written in Ada with the critical parts formally verified | 03:25 |
specing | where each part can be turned on/off as necessary for the task | 03:27 |
specing | and at its minimum it would perform just like normal init, except with shell scripts replaced by a statically typed scripting language | 03:28 |
furrymcgee | ? | 03:37 |
Xenguy | .oO( the soldier and the hunchback ) | 03:59 |
Xenguy | ! | 03:59 |
buZz | lol @ https://i.imgur.com/dcQTb6q.png | 04:59 |
Xenguy | meme meme | 05:16 |
Xenguy | ; -) | 05:16 |
guido_g | hi all | 12:38 |
guido_g | trying to install from netinst image | 12:39 |
guido_g | *to install ascii | 12:39 |
guido_g | get the message that the mirror does not support that release | 12:39 |
guido_g | any ideas? | 12:39 |
KatolaZ | guido_g: which netinst image are you using? | 12:44 |
guido_g | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso | 12:44 |
KatolaZ | guido_g: which mirror are you using? | 12:44 |
guido_g | trying de.deb.devuan.org as shown on console 4 | 12:46 |
guido_g | selected german mirror from menu | 12:46 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 12:46 |
guido_g | will do, thanks | 12:47 |
KatolaZ | guido_g: I guess you have managed to install the base system, right? | 12:51 |
guido_g | seems so | 12:51 |
guido_g | but I'm still in the installer | 12:51 |
KatolaZ | it works fine for me | 12:53 |
KatolaZ | are you sure you have a working internet connection? | 12:53 |
guido_g | will try | 12:53 |
KatolaZ | try also pkgmaster.devuan.org | 12:53 |
KatolaZ | it works with both anyway | 12:53 |
guido_g | ahhh... no dns | 12:54 |
KatolaZ | -_- | 12:54 |
KatolaZ | :) | 12:54 |
guido_g | error message was a bit missleading | 12:54 |
KatolaZ | it is just saying that it cannot find a valid repo | 12:54 |
guido_g | yes | 12:55 |
guido_g | release not supported | 12:55 |
guido_g | thats all | 12:55 |
KatolaZ | guido_g: fix the dns | 12:55 |
KatolaZ | and it will work | 12:55 |
guido_g | on my way | 12:55 |
guido_g | thanks for the pointer anyway | 12:55 |
guido_g | KatolaZ: thanks, you uncovered a conspiracy! | 13:02 |
guido_g | vodafone changed the ip and my dns server rejected that new ip | 13:03 |
guido_g | a general question: is the beowulf release as stable as the debian testing? | 13:47 |
gnarface | no | 13:49 |
xinomilo | these days, i'd say yes. | 13:49 |
gnarface | it's better to use ascii-backports if you need need newer stuff though | 13:49 |
KatolaZ | guido_g: it depends | 13:49 |
xinomilo | if you want stable go with stable | 13:49 |
KatolaZ | on what you mean by stable | 13:50 |
guido_g | stable (for me, on this machine) means no sudden crashes of system services | 13:51 |
guido_g | running most things in docker containers anyway | 13:52 |
guido_g | at least that's the plan | 13:52 |
KatolaZ | guido_g: most of the "instabilities" could be on desktop-related things | 13:53 |
guido_g | no desktop, no problems :) | 13:53 |
KatolaZ | I have been on beowulf for more than 10 months so far | 13:53 |
guido_g | okay | 13:53 |
guido_g | machine is long running? aka no reboots | 13:53 |
KatolaZ | well, if you get mad at a window border being too thick, then beowulf is not "stable" by that standard | 13:54 |
KatolaZ | guido_g: it's my laptop, and the average uptime is 87 days | 13:54 |
guido_g | as ai said, no desktop, ssh only | 13:54 |
guido_g | cool | 13:54 |
KatolaZ | the reboots were not due to devuan | 13:54 |
KatolaZ | just to sillyness | 13:54 |
guido_g | hehe | 13:54 |
guido_g | it's a new machine for development things, no need for graphics or such things | 13:55 |
jyri | I'm running Ceres on my workstation, I have hit only couple of problems (both due upgrading & removing packages automatically) in the last year or so | 13:58 |
gnarface | i've been plagued with NVidia driver instabilities on Ceres, but that's to be expected | 14:02 |
gnarface | it's been fine for the past few weeks though | 14:03 |
FlibberTGibbet | i installed *something* that pulled in NetworkManager over the top of wicd, so the two duked it out at boot and wicd lost after long delays. fixed one purge later, but still puzzled. | 14:10 |
guido_g | works like a charm, even with newer hardware | 14:49 |
guido_g | thanks to everyone involved! | 14:49 |
jyri | :) | 14:54 |
xinomilo | anyone got freedombox/plinth working on devuan? (amd64/arm64) | 15:53 |
rsevero | Hi. Starting a new ascii devuan server now. It runs keepalived for load balancing and high availability. It used to be an old Gentoo machine. I'm facing one strange and annoying issue: the keepalived script fails when run on boot. After I manually "modprobe ip_vs ip_vs_wrr ip_vs_sh" the keepalived script succedds in starting the keepalived daemon. | 17:50 |
rsevero | Hom can I make the necessary module autoload? | 17:50 |
rsevero | How can I make the necessary modules autoload? | 17:50 |
KatolaZ | rsevero: just put them in /etc/modules | 17:53 |
KatolaZ | rsevero: man modules | 17:54 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: Ok, I just trying it. But shouldn't the module loading process be automatic? | 17:55 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: yes, it worked. | 17:56 |
KatolaZ | rsevero: how the kernel should know that you need those modules? | 17:56 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 17:56 |
KatolaZ | if you loaded everything at boot, there would be no point in having modules, after all | 17:57 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: I'm really not sure of the answer but I ahve just checked my old Gentoo. I can't find in it any explicty call for loading these modules | 18:02 |
KatolaZ | rsevero: it means you probably built the support in the kernel (i.e., not as a module) | 18:02 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: Well, but it seems this is expected in devuan right? So, if it's a feature, I fine with it. Thanks for your help. | 18:03 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: Let me check. | 18:03 |
KatolaZ | rsevero: it's not just "in Devuan" | 18:03 |
KatolaZ | it has been like that since 1997 | 18:03 |
KatolaZ | in almost every distro... | 18:03 |
KatolaZ | /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf are used to specify which modules to load, and using which parameters | 18:05 |
KatolaZ | it has been the same in Slackware-based, RH-based, Debian-based and lots of other distros | 18:06 |
KatolaZ | don't remember abut gentoo, but I guess it would be the same | 18:06 |
KatolaZ | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel_Modules <- rsevero | 18:06 |
KatolaZ | gentoo uses modules-load.d | 18:07 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: On my old Gentoo ip_vs was built in the kernel but ip_vs_wrr and ip_sv_sh no. AFAICT, they where automatically mounted. | 18:07 |
KatolaZ | which is available in devuan as well | 18:07 |
KatolaZ | (and all other distros) | 18:07 |
* KatolaZ shrugs | 18:07 | |
KatolaZ | rsevero: have you checked in that folder? | 18:07 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: I know about modules-load.d in Gentoo. But there are not mention of ip_vs_wrr nor ip_vs_sh in it. But they where loaded some how. | 18:08 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: Yes, checked all files inside modules-load.d | 18:08 |
KatolaZ | dunno rsevero | 18:09 |
rsevero | KatolaZ: Yeah. Neither do I. Strange. But I can live with this setup, just something new for me. Thanks again for your help. | 18:09 |
KatolaZ | nw | 18:09 |
joe9 | anyone running devuan with a 4.19 or 4.20 kernel? | 21:28 |
cehteh | o/ | 21:29 |
joe9 | I want to try a kernel module that works only with those kernels, hence, want to check if it is possible https://github.com/voutilad/virtio_vmmci/issues/1 | 21:29 |
cehteh | dunno about that kernel module, but compiling vanilla 4.20 works out of the box | 21:31 |
joe9 | oh, cool. will try that then. | 21:32 |
cehteh | havnt used it much its my laptop currently powered down | 21:32 |
cehteh | ah and i compiled it for a server here .. almost forgotten, thats up since a week or longer | 21:33 |
joe9 | ok, thanks. if you have the shell history lying around for the compile and do not mind sharing, it would help me a lot. | 21:34 |
joe9 | if not, no worries, I can figure it out. Thanks for the tip though. | 21:34 |
cehteh | you have an actual kernel config? copy thatconfig .config (in linux source tree) | 21:34 |
cehteh | make oldconfig ... ask for all new stuff the old config doesnt know about | 21:35 |
joe9 | no, I do not have a .config. I have been running stock kernel image package until now. | 21:35 |
cehteh | nice time make -j 16 bindeb-pkg *wrroooom* | 21:35 |
cehteh | then you have a config in /boot | 21:36 |
cehteh | just use the most recent one you can find | 21:36 |
joe9 | ok, thanks. | 21:36 |
cehteh | /boot/config-4.9.0-8-amd64 | 21:36 |
cehteh | 21:36 | |
cehteh | or so | 21:36 |
joe9 | do you use the backports repo to get the linux-image's or do a git clone of the linux source? | 21:36 |
cehteh | may be a lot questions | 21:37 |
cehteh | ah i use the vanilla kernel from kernel.org | 21:37 |
joe9 | ok, thanks. | 21:37 |
cehteh | root@titan:/usr/src/linux# git remote -v | 21:37 |
cehteh | origin git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git (fetch) | 21:37 |
joe9 | got it. Thanks. | 21:37 |
jyri | \o | 22:46 |
jyri | hmm | 22:46 |
joe9 | cehteh: just want to check if you recall seeing this error: http://dpaste.com/2QM0852 | 23:31 |
joe9 | I think I need libssl-dev, should be fixed. | 23:32 |
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