| se7en | My nsswitch.conf file is empty. Is this normal? | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| se7en | nsswitch pertains to systemd, right? | 00:22 |
| se7en | No | 00:23 |
| se7en | Dang | 00:23 |
| se7en | I should have one, shoudln't I | 00:23 |
| se7en | Where's the stock one | 00:23 |
| se7en | Wait, no. I do have it... | 00:26 |
| se7en | Can I only view it as root? | 00:26 |
| presi | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 494 2018-08-22 18:59 /etc/nsswitch.conf | 00:55 |
| presi | normal perms | 00:55 |
| presi | do you have special acls? | 00:56 |
| gnarface | i thought there was a way to trigger it to be regenerated | 01:15 |
| gnarface | but the format isn't difficult to do by hand: http://paste.debian.net/1072169/ | 01:15 |
| Xenguy | Thanks DocScrutinizer05 for the ETS article | 01:29 |
| Superbaiter | Given the completion of the next release after ascii, how much do you think it will take before the release? 1y? 2y? 3-5y? | 05:21 |
| Superbaiter | (Not asking a mandatory term, just trying to get a vague idea) | 05:22 |
| golinux | Buster is out of the freeze? | 05:26 |
| golinux | Beowulf is already quite usable depending on your usecase. Some desktopy things might need some tweaking. | 05:27 |
| golinux | Superbaiter: ^^^ | 05:28 |
| Superbaiter | golinux, nice, thanks | 05:30 |
| Superbaiter | So do you think that in a year or two it will be released? Buster seems close to completion | 05:31 |
| negev | hi, i'm having problems since the ruby packages were upgraded from 2.5.3-3 to 2.5.3-4, but the old version of the debs don't seem to be in apt anymore | 09:39 |
| negev | how can i revert them to see if that's the cause? | 09:39 |
| gnarface | if you installed ruby gems, they may need to be updated too | 09:40 |
| gnarface | i don't think there's any snapshots yet | 09:40 |
| negev | snapshots? | 09:42 |
| negev | i don't know for sure if this is the cause, i'm going purely on a timeline from when the issues started | 09:42 |
| gnarface | well normally with debian you'd use their snapshots | 09:43 |
| negev | so you're saying there's no way to roll back to the previous debs? they aren't hosted anywhere? | 09:44 |
| gnarface | no, i'm not saying that, i'm just saying i don't know where you'd get them since there's no devuan snapshots service yet | 09:44 |
| gnarface | check /var/cache/apt, maybe you will be lucky and the old one will still be in there | 09:44 |
| gnarface | but since it is ruby, it is probably some issue with gems not updating automatically | 09:45 |
| negev | well the issue is phantomjs randomly dying during execution | 09:46 |
| negev | it's being orchestrated by ruby | 09:47 |
| negev | but it's a very complex chain of dependencies | 09:47 |
| negev | i don't really trust that upgrading gems is going to help, phantomjs isn't even maintained anymore | 09:47 |
| gnarface | oh | 09:47 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 09:47 |
| gnarface | well it's too late to tell you to make a backup | 09:48 |
| gnarface | but someone probably should have | 09:48 |
| negev | i do snapshot my entire system nightly and keep 7 days | 09:48 |
| negev | but i don't think it retains the debs | 09:49 |
| gnarface | did this just happen today? you could have the old version in the backup... | 09:49 |
| gnarface | oh | 09:49 |
| negev | there are no debs in /var/cache/apt/ | 09:49 |
| gnarface | it would actually be /var/cache/apt/archives | 09:49 |
| gnarface | if you're using apt | 09:49 |
| negev | nothing there | 09:49 |
| negev | just a lockfile and an empty partial directory | 09:49 |
| gnarface | are you using apt? it could be /var/cache/aptitude/... | 09:50 |
| negev | doesn't exist | 09:50 |
| negev | no debs anywhere in /var/cache | 09:50 |
| negev | or anywhere else on the filesystem | 09:50 |
| gnarface | bummer | 09:50 |
| negev | the old version doesn't show up on the package website | 09:51 |
| negev | that seems quite aggressive for a minor version bump doesn't it? | 09:52 |
| negev | having no way to roll back? | 09:52 |
| gnarface | yea, i agree. but debian has the same exact problem. that's why they provide snapshots of old versions of the repos | 09:52 |
| gnarface | but devuan just hasn't got that up yet | 09:52 |
| gnarface | which is a real pity | 09:53 |
| gnarface | but it's an object lesson in keeping backups too | 09:53 |
| negev | well i back up the entire machine | 09:53 |
| gnarface | nevertheless, that minor revision might be only incidentally related, or not at all | 09:53 |
| gnarface | and even if it is, such a minor version change should be something easy to patch for in phantomjs | 09:54 |
| negev | phantomjs isn't maintained anymore | 09:54 |
| gnarface | if you have the entire machine backed up, you should be able to test the old version from yesterday's backup, no? | 09:54 |
| negev | i don't even know for sure if it's related | 09:54 |
| negev | old version of what? | 09:55 |
| gnarface | well, i meant to imply you'd be patching phandomjs yourself | 09:55 |
| gnarface | old version of ruby | 09:55 |
| gnarface | you know, the one you wanted to roll back to | 09:55 |
| negev | probably not easy to splice it back into the filesystem | 09:57 |
| negev | ruby sprays all over it | 09:57 |
| negev | maybe a better approach would be to try to work out exactly why it's crashing | 09:57 |
| negev | the problem is it's happening sporadically, most of the time it works | 09:57 |
| negev | maybe i can capture some debug info from it | 09:57 |
| gnarface | an error message could be helpful | 09:58 |
| gnarface | or just a way to recreate the crash | 09:58 |
| negev | "PhantomJS has crashed. Please read the bug reporting guide at | 09:58 |
| negev | (url) | 09:58 |
| gnarface | heh | 09:58 |
| gnarface | any chances of using something other than phantomjs that is currently maintained? | 09:58 |
| negev | eh i dunno. maybe, but it's probably a lot of effort | 10:00 |
| negev | i have a ton of shit using phantom | 10:00 |
| buZz | lol 'dbus is too hard' systemd nonsense :D | 16:29 |
| buZz | re: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machine-id.html | 16:29 |
| r3boot | wow, flashbacks to FlexLM license manager ^_^ | 16:40 |
| r3boot | (was part of a lot of ancient unix systems, and also worked based on a similar machine id) | 16:40 |
| buZz | lol yeah i know flexlm | 16:48 |
| buZz | i'm just gonna do echo $randomstuff > /etc/machine-id , i guess | 16:49 |
| buZz | on each terminal start | 16:49 |
| buZz | :D | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | Do you have that file? I don't. | 16:50 |
| r3boot | afaik non-systemd distro's dont require that file, although it's needed for some applications | 16:51 |
| buZz | fsmithred: we will soon | 16:58 |
| buZz | see ML | 16:58 |
| buZz | :P | 16:59 |
| KatolaZ | buZz: just remove it | 17:01 |
| buZz | :) | 17:02 |
| * buZz deletes the ML | 17:02 | |
| buZz | tnx, that helped | 17:02 |
| KatolaZ | AHAHAHAHAHAHAH | 17:04 |
| KatolaZ | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH | 17:04 |
| KatolaZ | lmao :D | 17:04 |
| buZz | ;) | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I'm looking at the mailing list, and I'm about to test something. Will report there. | 18:12 |
| sokan | anyone got any comment to make on T420? :D | 18:17 |
| Humpelstilzchen | T420? | 18:20 |
| sokan | Humpelstilzchen: thinkpad yeah | 18:21 |
| Humpelstilzchen | sokan: What about it? | 18:21 |
| sokan | Humpelstilzchen: I'm wondering if it's a good machine for daily tasks and can handle things like T430 (considering it has lower cpu power ofc) | 18:22 |
| Humpelstilzchen | sokan: Depends on what you need exactly. Mine still works fine, but easily gets got when running e.g. 5 videos on youtube | 18:23 |
| sokan | Humpelstilzchen: the idea is to use for daily stuff. Watching series (in .mkv) or playing some old PS2 games and some web browsing. | 18:23 |
| sokan | certainly not more than 4 tabs at a given time :P | 18:24 |
| Humpelstilzchen | sokan: Should do, I still use it daily as secondary | 18:25 |
| sokan | and devuan work/install fine on it right? | 18:25 |
| Humpelstilzchen | sure | 18:25 |
| sokan | Humpelstilzchen: I'll be away for 2 months and I need some fast solution to do stuff when at home and some essays etc | 18:25 |
| sokan | And in this era a laptop is a must from what I gather :( | 18:26 |
| KatolaZ | sokan: I used an x220 for several years | 18:26 |
| KatolaZ | it's more or less the same machine, only a 12.5" | 18:26 |
| sokan | KatolaZ: you always make me feel good :3 | 18:26 |
| sokan | Humpelstilzchen: thanks for the words of comfort too \o/ | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | those are great laptops, IMHO | 18:27 |
| Humpelstilzchen | I wouldn't consider a sandy bridge fast, but will do fine for office works | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | well, it depends on what you need to do on them | 18:27 |
| sokan | As I said at worse I'll be playing some old games. | 18:27 |
| sokan | It'll be mostly for passing time at home. | 18:27 |
| sokan | old == early 200-s | 18:27 |
| sokan | 2000* | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | oh ok | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | I played some games on the x220 in 2011/2012 | 18:28 |
| KatolaZ | mainly FPS | 18:28 |
| sokan | :D | 18:28 |
| sokan | aha! and these do require some good cpu | 18:28 |
| sokan | well, hight fps and all that | 18:28 |
| sokan | imho :P | 18:28 |
| KatolaZ | Assassin's Creed II and some other | 18:28 |
| sokan | good game | 18:28 |
| KatolaZ | I don't remember much of it :D | 18:29 |
| sokan | haha | 18:29 |
| KatolaZ | I should still have the dvd somewhere | 18:29 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 18:29 |
| sokan | I recall jumping between buildings and something abotu aliens XD | 18:29 |
| Humpelstilzchen | sokan: btw avoid the models with the nvidia card | 18:30 |
| sokan | mine has integradted HD graphics iirc | 18:30 |
| sokan | s/integradted/intel | 18:31 |
| Humpelstilzchen | they all do, but some have an additional nv | 18:31 |
| sokan | oh | 18:33 |
| sokan | I'll ask about it | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | KatolaZ, /var/lib/dbus/machine-id gets regenerated on boot if it's not present. Otherwise, it's the same number every time. | 18:34 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: ok, can you please open a bug against dbus? | 18:39 |
| KatolaZ | critical | 18:39 |
| KatolaZ | IMHO | 18:39 |
| KatolaZ | we should change the dbus init script | 18:40 |
| KatolaZ | this looks like an easy fix | 18:40 |
| KatolaZ | I was convinced we had changed that already, but I was wrong | 18:42 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: replied to your email on DNG | 18:49 |
| KatolaZ | we need as many people as possible testing the removal of /etc/machine-id | 18:50 |
| KatolaZ | and checking if there is anything that complains about it | 18:50 |
| specing | sokan: it is backdoored, but otherwise an okay machine | 18:59 |
| furrywolf | what would ever look at it? | 19:03 |
| * furrywolf didn't even know it existed | 19:04 | |
| furrywolf | I mean... I can't think of any software that would ever use this data. | 19:05 |
| furrymcgee | ye splease remove machine-id | 19:07 |
| KatolaZ | guys just remove it | 19:17 |
| KatolaZ | and report any problem | 19:17 |
| KatolaZ | /etc/machine-id should only be used by systemd | 19:17 |
| KatolaZ | we will find what put it there and fix it :) | 19:20 |
| furrywolf | why would systemd need a machine id? | 19:26 |
| KatolaZ | furrywolf: ask them | 19:28 |
| MinceR | help ibm and the spooks track it | 19:31 |
| MinceR | also for support contract purposes | 19:31 |
| sokan | specing: backdoored?? | 19:50 |
| sokan | T430 as well? | 19:50 |
| sokan | backdooerd by whom? NSA? | 19:51 |
| specing | sokan: have you heard of the management engine? | 19:52 |
| sokan | specing: nope | 19:52 |
| specing | sokan: Oh you sweet summer child | 19:55 |
| sokan | haha | 19:55 |
| sokan | oh dear | 19:55 |
| sokan | I'm so happy I went with amd/ryzen on my desktop | 19:56 |
| sokan | oh crud | 19:57 |
| sokan | AMD Sec Tech | 19:57 |
| sokan | holy cow | 19:57 |
| sokan | this is bad | 19:57 |
| sokan | this is nasty | 19:57 |
| sokan | specing: nothing is non-compromised these days :\ | 19:58 |
| sokan | I'm scared of what I see in my twitter | 19:58 |
| fsmithred | KatolaZ, I reported a bug against dbus | 20:02 |
| sokan | ceres is so to say a rolling release? | 20:04 |
| specing | sokan: talos is non-compromised, basic ARM too | 20:04 |
| specing | sokan: or 2008 era x86 tech | 20:04 |
| sokan | I'll certainly try out pine laptop eventually | 20:05 |
| sokan | pinebook pro* | 20:07 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: I am already fixing the bug in dbus | 20:08 |
| KatolaZ | and updating it in ceres to the latest version | 20:09 |
| sokan | so ceres is the "bleeding edge" with a stable kernel? | 20:32 |
| KatolaZ | sokan: ceres is the same concept as Debian sisd | 20:40 |
| KatolaZ | ~sid | 20:40 |
| sokan | hmmm | 20:42 |
| sokan | doesn't seem like rolling at all. | 20:43 |
| sokan | more like alpha testing of the distro | 20:43 |
| sokan | just curious what DE/wm do you people use? | 22:03 |
| sokan | users wise. xfce is the default iirc | 22:03 |
| MinceR | fvwm | 22:04 |
| phogg | e16 forever | 22:04 |
| debdog | fluxbox | 22:08 |
| KatolaZ | xmonad/wmaker | 22:11 |
| * ttkv liked e16, but eventually switched back to fvwm | 22:16 | |
| ttkv | safe, sane, forever | 22:16 |
| KatolaZ | uset fvwm for a while many years ago | 22:22 |
| KatolaZ | it's a decent one | 22:22 |
| sokan | hmmm | 22:25 |
| sokan | out of these the only one I've actually heard of it xmonad | 22:25 |
| sokan | oh wait | 22:26 |
| sokan | e16 == enlightenment | 22:26 |
| KatolaZ | yep | 22:26 |
| sokan | I never evre got around to figuring out how this DE worked XD | 22:26 |
| sokan | and fvwm is stacking from what I see | 22:28 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: updated dbus | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | 1.12.12-1+devuan2 | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | available in unstable and beowulf | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | it should hit pkgmaster in a couple of minutes | 23:58 |
| KatolaZ | it would replace /var/lib/dbus/machine-id at each boot, unless specified otherwise through a variable in /etc/default/dbus | 23:59 |
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