libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2019-03-20

xrogaana bunch of libpolkit updates04:24
xrogaanI don't know what changed though.04:28
xrogaanthe version +devuan0 means it is a forked package, right?04:30
xrogaanI also have an issue with apt-get changelog not finding changelogs for devuan's packages.04:33
xrogaanI believe that there is one being built for each package, but I don't know how it's supposed to work.04:37
xrogaanI mean, is it an issue on my side?05:16
xrogaanAlright, an url to the changelogs needs to be provided by the InRelease file05:48
KatolaZxrogaan: the policykit packages are a security update07:31
KatolaZbackported from beowulf07:31
KatolaZxrogaan: we don't have separate changelogs for devuan packages yet07:32
KatolaZsorry07:32
BjornnI noticed there are quite a few of the cinnamon taskbar applets now that no longer work in ascii. I'm curious why that is, they all still seem to work in stretch.13:36
BjornnI may be overstating the amount, but it directly affects the ones that I use the most, weather, and cpu temp monitoring.13:39
gnarfaceBjornn: known issue13:49
gnarfaceyou can probably get temperature from lm-sensors but i don't know if your taskbar applets will ever work13:49
Bjornnyeah, it's not a big deal but I like to know what the cpu is doing13:50
Bjornnthat's always been critical on my laptops.13:50
Bjornnare these systemd dependent in some way?13:51
gnarfaceyes, systemd absorbed the sensor functionality, and then everyone deprecated lm-sensors in favor of the new api.  a pretty crappy move, IMO13:52
gnarfacebut lm-sensors is still in the repo and still works as well as it did...13:52
Bjornnok. I'll grab it.13:53
Bjornnthanks gnarface13:53
gnarfaceno problem13:53
gnarfacein theory someone could make a widget that uses it again13:53
gnarfacei just run it from a terminal though13:53
MinceRor one could use/fork the old versions of the widgets13:54
gnarfacesomeone actually might have done that already, i don't actually know13:54
gnarfacei wish someone would do that for the e17 ones13:55
Bjornnwhy do I get this message: lm-sensors set to manually installed.14:13
Bjornnbut then doesn't install using apt-get install14:13
gnarfaceit was already installed14:17
gnarfacebut now it made a note that you requested it by name14:17
gnarface(it distinguishes between stuff you installed by name and stuff that was pulled in as a dependency)14:17
Bjornnok. but bash doesn't seem to find it, or does find. locate it. so I'm showing my noob skills I guesss14:18
gnarfacehmmm14:18
gnarfacetry running "sensors" from the shell?14:18
Bjornnok, ya, sensors does work.14:18
gnarfacesometimes you have to run sensors-detect once, as root14:18
gnarfacein a fair world the modules load without that but it's hardware dependent14:19
gnarfacesometimes even if sensors works, running sensors-detect finds a couple more14:19
gnarfacefyi to see the files that were installed from a package (not counting auto-generated ones after install) use: dpkg -L [package name]14:20
Bjornnah.. good tip, thanks I'll hold onto that oe.14:22
Bjornnone*14:22
BjornnI was spoiled by windows. I used to do everything on the command line and I liked it. Windows made me soft14:23
* drawkula . o O ( never tust a GUI! )14:39
Bjornn at least not an os14:39
BjornnI do like my sublime editor more than any other linux I've seen so far14:40
drawkulayou don't need to automate much in your editor... and in your mediaplayer or browser... there klicking may be ok...14:40
drawkulacurrently I try to get used ahain to emacs14:41
drawkulaI used it everyday up to the mid90s14:41
drawkulaand now I'm trying to get into orgmode14:41
drawkulawhic came 200314:42
Bjornnthe learning curve is steep, it seems14:42
drawkulai had to do lots in (La)TeX until the mid90s14:42
drawkulaand emacs was te best environment for it those days14:42
drawkulaorgmode+babel is like jupyther notebook for lots of languages14:43
KatolaZdrawkula: org-mode is addictive :)14:43
drawkulaorgmode alone does the rest of your life14:43
drawkulaagendan notes etc14:43
drawkulait definitely is my notebook for code snippets now14:44
KatolaZI mostly use it for agenda/notes/todos, and it works quite well14:44
drawkulabut I'm still only scratching the surface14:44
KatolaZyou need a bit of time to memorise the useful key-bindings, but once they are there they stay14:44
drawkulayes... but my pause with emacs was decades... thats nearly a completwly restart14:45
KatolaZ:)14:45
KatolaZyou still can do it14:45
drawkulamuch has changed14:45
KatolaZyour fingers still remember their way through14:45
drawkulafor short config files I still use mcedit, nvi or whatever isa at hand... (but not nano!)14:46
drawkulamaybe I should start an emacsserver instance again14:47
drawkula:-)14:47
KatolaZhehehe14:47
KatolaZnever used it in the last 10 years14:47
drawkulaand eshell is super nice for remote administration14:47
KatolaZI just have an emacs instance always up14:47
KatolaZ(never got used to eshell/term...they suck in many different ways IMHO)14:48
drawkulaeshell is only ok for simple stuff because it is mor a fake shell14:48
drawkulaand ansiterm is slooooow...14:48
drawkulabut for simple config stuff on remote systems eshell is capable enough14:49
drawkulasome say emacs is ununixoid... but who would blame python for all the applications that can run in it? looking at emacs as a lisp with a gui and all other stuff als scripts for it seems to be the right view...14:50
drawkulabuilding emacs is surprisingly fast14:51
drawkulaok... a last "I <3 orgmode" and now enough off topic... ;-)14:53
djphit's a great OS, just needs a good text editor14:53
MinceRi think it has one, it's called "evil"14:54
MinceRpity its lisp dialect is ancient14:54
drawkulaan emacs rewrite in clisp is done somwhere... and one in rust... an emacslike project in python died a while ago... or I just have loste the URL...14:55
drawkulathe idea lives on even if someday emacs is too ancient14:55
KatolaZthere are plenty of emacs rewrites14:56
MinceRyeah, but i suspect most stuff for emacs won't run on any of those14:56
KatolaZzile is a pretty neat one, for instance14:56
MinceRwill even orgmode run on any of them?14:56
KatolaZyep, not the extensions14:56
KatolaZdunno14:56
KatolaZdon't think so14:56
MinceRor even evilmode :>14:57
KatolaZwell, why should emacs disappear?14:57
KatolaZ:)14:57
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯14:57
drawkulanewwah!14:57
MinceRoh, i know why it will disappear14:57
drawkula:-)14:57
MinceRsystemd-editord14:57
KatolaZoh no way14:58
KatolaZrather visual code14:58
KatolaZor atom14:58
MinceRit would be vscode14:58
MinceRjust built into systemd14:58
KatolaZ:D14:58
drawkulasystemd?14:58
drawkula     __14:58
drawkula     \c)  . o O ( I see no Systemd! )14:58
drawkula______L_\_________________________________14:58
MinceRmaybe if rms is lucky, there will also be systemd-emacsd14:58
drawkulaemacs -f systemd14:59
drawkula:-P14:59
drawkulawe should boot into emacs and rewrite systemd in lisp14:59
drawkula:-Þ14:59
jonadabEmacs already has an init system.15:48
jonadabComplete with autoloading.15:49

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