xrogaan | a bunch of libpolkit updates | 04:24 |
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xrogaan | I don't know what changed though. | 04:28 |
xrogaan | the version +devuan0 means it is a forked package, right? | 04:30 |
xrogaan | I also have an issue with apt-get changelog not finding changelogs for devuan's packages. | 04:33 |
xrogaan | I believe that there is one being built for each package, but I don't know how it's supposed to work. | 04:37 |
xrogaan | I mean, is it an issue on my side? | 05:16 |
xrogaan | Alright, an url to the changelogs needs to be provided by the InRelease file | 05:48 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: the policykit packages are a security update | 07:31 |
KatolaZ | backported from beowulf | 07:31 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: we don't have separate changelogs for devuan packages yet | 07:32 |
KatolaZ | sorry | 07:32 |
Bjornn | I noticed there are quite a few of the cinnamon taskbar applets now that no longer work in ascii. I'm curious why that is, they all still seem to work in stretch. | 13:36 |
Bjornn | I may be overstating the amount, but it directly affects the ones that I use the most, weather, and cpu temp monitoring. | 13:39 |
gnarface | Bjornn: known issue | 13:49 |
gnarface | you can probably get temperature from lm-sensors but i don't know if your taskbar applets will ever work | 13:49 |
Bjornn | yeah, it's not a big deal but I like to know what the cpu is doing | 13:50 |
Bjornn | that's always been critical on my laptops. | 13:50 |
Bjornn | are these systemd dependent in some way? | 13:51 |
gnarface | yes, systemd absorbed the sensor functionality, and then everyone deprecated lm-sensors in favor of the new api. a pretty crappy move, IMO | 13:52 |
gnarface | but lm-sensors is still in the repo and still works as well as it did... | 13:52 |
Bjornn | ok. I'll grab it. | 13:53 |
Bjornn | thanks gnarface | 13:53 |
gnarface | no problem | 13:53 |
gnarface | in theory someone could make a widget that uses it again | 13:53 |
gnarface | i just run it from a terminal though | 13:53 |
MinceR | or one could use/fork the old versions of the widgets | 13:54 |
gnarface | someone actually might have done that already, i don't actually know | 13:54 |
gnarface | i wish someone would do that for the e17 ones | 13:55 |
Bjornn | why do I get this message: lm-sensors set to manually installed. | 14:13 |
Bjornn | but then doesn't install using apt-get install | 14:13 |
gnarface | it was already installed | 14:17 |
gnarface | but now it made a note that you requested it by name | 14:17 |
gnarface | (it distinguishes between stuff you installed by name and stuff that was pulled in as a dependency) | 14:17 |
Bjornn | ok. but bash doesn't seem to find it, or does find. locate it. so I'm showing my noob skills I guesss | 14:18 |
gnarface | hmmm | 14:18 |
gnarface | try running "sensors" from the shell? | 14:18 |
Bjornn | ok, ya, sensors does work. | 14:18 |
gnarface | sometimes you have to run sensors-detect once, as root | 14:18 |
gnarface | in a fair world the modules load without that but it's hardware dependent | 14:19 |
gnarface | sometimes even if sensors works, running sensors-detect finds a couple more | 14:19 |
gnarface | fyi to see the files that were installed from a package (not counting auto-generated ones after install) use: dpkg -L [package name] | 14:20 |
Bjornn | ah.. good tip, thanks I'll hold onto that oe. | 14:22 |
Bjornn | one* | 14:22 |
Bjornn | I was spoiled by windows. I used to do everything on the command line and I liked it. Windows made me soft | 14:23 |
* drawkula . o O ( never tust a GUI! ) | 14:39 | |
Bjornn | at least not an os | 14:39 |
Bjornn | I do like my sublime editor more than any other linux I've seen so far | 14:40 |
drawkula | you don't need to automate much in your editor... and in your mediaplayer or browser... there klicking may be ok... | 14:40 |
drawkula | currently I try to get used ahain to emacs | 14:41 |
drawkula | I used it everyday up to the mid90s | 14:41 |
drawkula | and now I'm trying to get into orgmode | 14:41 |
drawkula | whic came 2003 | 14:42 |
Bjornn | the learning curve is steep, it seems | 14:42 |
drawkula | i had to do lots in (La)TeX until the mid90s | 14:42 |
drawkula | and emacs was te best environment for it those days | 14:42 |
drawkula | orgmode+babel is like jupyther notebook for lots of languages | 14:43 |
KatolaZ | drawkula: org-mode is addictive :) | 14:43 |
drawkula | orgmode alone does the rest of your life | 14:43 |
drawkula | agendan notes etc | 14:43 |
drawkula | it definitely is my notebook for code snippets now | 14:44 |
KatolaZ | I mostly use it for agenda/notes/todos, and it works quite well | 14:44 |
drawkula | but I'm still only scratching the surface | 14:44 |
KatolaZ | you need a bit of time to memorise the useful key-bindings, but once they are there they stay | 14:44 |
drawkula | yes... but my pause with emacs was decades... thats nearly a completwly restart | 14:45 |
KatolaZ | :) | 14:45 |
KatolaZ | you still can do it | 14:45 |
drawkula | much has changed | 14:45 |
KatolaZ | your fingers still remember their way through | 14:45 |
drawkula | for short config files I still use mcedit, nvi or whatever isa at hand... (but not nano!) | 14:46 |
drawkula | maybe I should start an emacsserver instance again | 14:47 |
drawkula | :-) | 14:47 |
KatolaZ | hehehe | 14:47 |
KatolaZ | never used it in the last 10 years | 14:47 |
drawkula | and eshell is super nice for remote administration | 14:47 |
KatolaZ | I just have an emacs instance always up | 14:47 |
KatolaZ | (never got used to eshell/term...they suck in many different ways IMHO) | 14:48 |
drawkula | eshell is only ok for simple stuff because it is mor a fake shell | 14:48 |
drawkula | and ansiterm is slooooow... | 14:48 |
drawkula | but for simple config stuff on remote systems eshell is capable enough | 14:49 |
drawkula | some say emacs is ununixoid... but who would blame python for all the applications that can run in it? looking at emacs as a lisp with a gui and all other stuff als scripts for it seems to be the right view... | 14:50 |
drawkula | building emacs is surprisingly fast | 14:51 |
drawkula | ok... a last "I <3 orgmode" and now enough off topic... ;-) | 14:53 |
djph | it's a great OS, just needs a good text editor | 14:53 |
MinceR | i think it has one, it's called "evil" | 14:54 |
MinceR | pity its lisp dialect is ancient | 14:54 |
drawkula | an emacs rewrite in clisp is done somwhere... and one in rust... an emacslike project in python died a while ago... or I just have loste the URL... | 14:55 |
drawkula | the idea lives on even if someday emacs is too ancient | 14:55 |
KatolaZ | there are plenty of emacs rewrites | 14:56 |
MinceR | yeah, but i suspect most stuff for emacs won't run on any of those | 14:56 |
KatolaZ | zile is a pretty neat one, for instance | 14:56 |
MinceR | will even orgmode run on any of them? | 14:56 |
KatolaZ | yep, not the extensions | 14:56 |
KatolaZ | dunno | 14:56 |
KatolaZ | don't think so | 14:56 |
MinceR | or even evilmode :> | 14:57 |
KatolaZ | well, why should emacs disappear? | 14:57 |
KatolaZ | :) | 14:57 |
MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 14:57 |
drawkula | newwah! | 14:57 |
MinceR | oh, i know why it will disappear | 14:57 |
drawkula | :-) | 14:57 |
MinceR | systemd-editord | 14:57 |
KatolaZ | oh no way | 14:58 |
KatolaZ | rather visual code | 14:58 |
KatolaZ | or atom | 14:58 |
MinceR | it would be vscode | 14:58 |
MinceR | just built into systemd | 14:58 |
KatolaZ | :D | 14:58 |
drawkula | systemd? | 14:58 |
drawkula | __ | 14:58 |
drawkula | \c) . o O ( I see no Systemd! ) | 14:58 |
drawkula | ______L_\_________________________________ | 14:58 |
MinceR | maybe if rms is lucky, there will also be systemd-emacsd | 14:58 |
drawkula | emacs -f systemd | 14:59 |
drawkula | :-P | 14:59 |
drawkula | we should boot into emacs and rewrite systemd in lisp | 14:59 |
drawkula | :-Þ | 14:59 |
jonadab | Emacs already has an init system. | 15:48 |
jonadab | Complete with autoloading. | 15:49 |
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