Bjornn | is there a particular DE that Ascii works best with? | 00:07 |
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golinux | Bjornn: The default is Xfce | 00:12 |
golinux | But there are other choices | 00:12 |
plasma41 | Impressive. Gentoo now has GNOME 3.30 working with OpenRC init by means of elogind. https://blogs.gentoo.org/leio/2019/03/26/gnome-3-30/ | 00:17 |
Xenguy | Bjornn: I like MATE, which is like Gnome2 | 00:17 |
plasma41 | Not that I plan to switch from Xfce, but could this allow Devuan to start supporting GNOME 3? | 00:19 |
watchcat | seems like more trouble than it's worth. | 00:22 |
djph | i think gnome would need to be compile-able systemd-free | 00:22 |
golinux | gnome is more trouble than it's worth and a dead end of complexity | 00:40 |
Xenguy | I recall having a brief look at GNOME3, and thinking it was just awful | 00:45 |
jonadab | Gnome has been getting worse with each new version since 1.0 | 00:49 |
jonadab | At this point, it's not worth messing with at all. | 00:49 |
jonadab | I think a lot of young people today would be astonished if they got a look at how flexible Gnome 0.x was, though. It could do stuff that most desktop environments today cannot. | 00:51 |
jonadab | Just for example, I used to have a small clock applet on a floating, always-on-top panel positioned so that it would be to the left of the minimize button on a maximized window, covering up an otherwise completely unused portion of the titlebar. | 00:51 |
MinceR | indeed | 00:52 |
MinceR | gnome used to be nice, then it jumped the shark and became absolute trash | 00:52 |
jonadab | They got somebody in their leadership who bought into the "options confuse users so don't give them any options" nonsense. | 00:53 |
MinceR | indeed | 00:53 |
Xenguy | Yeah, exactly. We know better than the users, etc. | 00:53 |
MinceR | and also into the rest of the apple ideas about UI | 00:53 |
MinceR | they even adopted the apple HIG | 00:53 |
jonadab | My own view is that the *defaults* should be designed for the sorts of users who are confused by options. | 00:54 |
jonadab | So they don't have to look at them. | 00:54 |
Xenguy | Yep, sane defaults, and then options behind the scenes, for the tinkers | 01:39 |
tuxd3v | Hello all | 11:18 |
tuxd3v | Good Morning | 11:18 |
tuxd3v | Freedom Lovers | 11:18 |
KatolaZ | hi tuxd3v | 11:19 |
tuxd3v | hi KatolaZ | 11:36 |
jordila | hi #devuan ers , i've just installed pandoc package on my Ascii ... then, run ' $ pandoc ', the cursor stays blinking, and nothing happens. Uh... what could i be missing ? | 12:17 |
KatolaZ | jordila: have you used pandoc before? | 12:32 |
KatolaZ | it's a CLI filter | 12:32 |
KatolaZ | jordila: man pandoc | 12:32 |
ejr | hi. i am running devuan ceres. when I try to upgrade the system I get an unmet dependency error for libxtst6. however i do not want to remove that package as that would also uninstall many base packages such as X | 12:40 |
ejr | is there anything i can do? | 12:40 |
KatolaZ | do not upgrade? | 12:41 |
KatolaZ | ejr: which is the unmet dep? | 12:41 |
ejr | x11-common | 12:42 |
ejr | KatolaZ: i could not upgrade ofc, but won't the problem persist forever then? | 12:42 |
xinomilo | running ceres prefer safe-upgrade or apt upgrade. dependency might take days to fix, don't rush it. | 12:43 |
ejr | safe-upgrade? | 12:43 |
xinomilo | don't dist-upgrade | 12:43 |
ejr | then it says that dpkg has been kept back (if i run apt-get upgrade) | 12:44 |
xinomilo | nice, keep it that way | 12:46 |
xinomilo | hmm, don't know way. i run apt upgrade usually and dpkg is in the latest version | 12:47 |
xinomilo | *why | 12:47 |
KatolaZ | ejr: which is the broken dependency? | 12:47 |
ejr | ok, i will just wait a few weeks :) | 12:48 |
ejr | KatolaZ: libxtst6 : Depends: x11-common but it is not going to be installed | 12:48 |
KatolaZ | x11-common? | 12:48 |
KatolaZ | can you please post the full error message somewhere? | 12:48 |
KatolaZ | (not directly here, pls) | 12:48 |
ejr | https://pastebin.com/tDCBdQ7C | 12:48 |
ejr | brb | 12:49 |
KatolaZ | ejr: it must be some package which is transitioning to unstable | 12:49 |
xinomilo | got all these installed at latest versions. | 12:50 |
KatolaZ | what is the missing dep on x11-common? | 12:50 |
xinomilo | libxtst6: | 12:50 |
xinomilo | Installed: 2:1.2.3-1 | 12:50 |
xinomilo | x11-common: | 12:50 |
xinomilo | Installed: 1:7.7+19 | 12:50 |
xinomilo | dpkg: | 12:50 |
xinomilo | Installed: 1.19.6 | 12:50 |
ejr | ok, well, i will wait :) | 13:07 |
icarious | So there is no way to convince Debian to at least make the system friendly towards alternate inits like Gentoo, ridding the Devuan team off this task? | 23:17 |
golinux | icarious: This conversation is probably better on #debianfork | 23:19 |
MinceR | i'm sure there's a way, but it probably involves fighting IBM people and their thralls | 23:19 |
* icarious takes it there | 23:19 | |
icarious | MinceR: IBM? Cause of Redhat purchase? | 23:20 |
icarious | Ok i am in that channel. Taking it there henceforth | 23:20 |
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