specing | icarious: devuan does openrc btw | 00:13 |
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icarious | specing: I know. It was an offtopic question | 00:16 |
icarious | On a related note. How is openrc in Devuan Buster? workable? | 00:16 |
golinux | specing: Look on #debianfork | 00:17 |
golinux | icarious: There is not devuan Buster. | 00:17 |
golinux | There is Devuan Beowulf | 00:17 |
icarious | golinux: I meant the upcoming release based on Buster | 00:18 |
icarious | :P | 00:18 |
icarious | lol | 00:18 |
icarious | Sorry for the wrong term | 00:18 |
golinux | :) | 00:18 |
specing | What is the state of apparmor/selinux in devuan? Is there a document on this? | 00:20 |
icarious | Buster was supposed to enable it by default. I wonder if it will roll down to Devuan too | 00:20 |
icarious | I mean AppArmor | 00:21 |
golinux | I've only heard negative comments in this camp | 00:21 |
specing | I'm torn | 00:22 |
specing | Fedora seems like the only distro serious about security | 00:22 |
specing | but they ship very new software and have SELinux :/ | 00:23 |
specing | have systemd* | 00:23 |
specing | Why isn't there a systemd-less distro with SELinux? | 00:23 |
KatolaZ | specing: devuan | 00:24 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 00:24 |
KatolaZ | you can install selinux | 00:24 |
specing | KatolaZ: ? | 00:24 |
specing | I know I can, but are there policy files and are they good? | 00:25 |
watchcat | didn't you say exactly the same thing about apparmor a while back? someone did. | 00:32 |
ashleyk_ | how do you disable the console blanking? setterm --powersave off ? | 00:34 |
zeph1ro | daje | 14:39 |
zeph1ro | @katolaz hello... | 14:41 |
zeph1ro | anybody here that got a solution to this? https://bugs.devuan.org/db/22/225.html ...or a workaround? | 14:41 |
zeph1ro | or a different path than this How-To http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 ? | 14:42 |
zeph1ro | hi @jaromil :) :wave: | 14:42 |
gnarface | zeph1ro: what happens if you just override that host name in your /etc/hosts file? | 14:49 |
zeph1ro | @gnarface, yeah... it's an option... hopefully they do not serve over https | 15:08 |
zeph1ro | curl: (60) SSL: no alternative certificate subject name matches target host name 'anonscm.debian.org' | 15:09 |
zeph1ro | meh :facepalm: | 15:10 |
gnarface | well the forum basically says to rebuild the one from the gitlab, right? | 15:10 |
gnarface | someone might already have done that work and put it somewhere you can download | 15:11 |
zeph1ro | yeah ... https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/d1h/commit/8065234b653d7cf4d79129d7de15954d93af3983 @gnarface | 15:13 |
zeph1ro | thing is... i got the package from experimental | 15:14 |
zeph1ro | how comes is not yet the one with such a patch? it is 7mo old | 15:14 |
gnarface | are you sure it's the right one? did you remember "-t experimental" ? | 15:14 |
gnarface | or whatever the -t value is for that... | 15:14 |
gnarface | you gotta "apt-get update" first too | 15:15 |
zeph1ro | i'm blindly copy pasting from the how to | 15:15 |
zeph1ro | so... of course i did :) | 15:15 |
gnarface | hmmm. i couldn't say then | 15:15 |
zeph1ro | I got the feeling that they did not tag a new release | 15:16 |
zeph1ro | xD | 15:16 |
zeph1ro | staging version 0.2+4 · 1 year ago | 15:16 |
gnarface | could it be your repo mirror though? | 15:16 |
zeph1ro | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/d1h/tags | 15:16 |
zeph1ro | doesn't look like my repo | 15:16 |
gnarface | hmmm i see | 15:17 |
zeph1ro | I'm a damn n00b... can anybody tag it and trigger the building process? please... :cat big eyes: | 15:17 |
gnarface | it is out of my hands | 15:18 |
gnarface | be patient though, someone may hear your plea | 15:18 |
zeph1ro | :) | 15:18 |
golinux | gnarface> be patient though, someone may hear your plea | 16:04 |
golinux | We are all frantically busy with the conf coming up next week. | 16:05 |
zeph1ro | uh, ok. noted @golinux | 16:05 |
golinux | Hope you will take care of things while we're occupied elsewhere. | 16:05 |
golinux | you = gnarface | 16:06 |
golinux | Or someone not involved may be able to sort things. But the d1h is KatolaZ' work | 16:07 |
golinux | zeph1ro: Sorry for the bad timing . . . | 16:10 |
zeph1ro | no worries... it just started out of job offer that came along for debian packaging | 16:14 |
zeph1ro | i needed to refresh my hands... and, I wanted to do it on my beloved devuan | 16:15 |
gnarface | is it possible it's just building still? | 16:17 |
gnarface | and is it even right for it to be querying debian servers at all? | 16:18 |
golinux | gnarface: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 (in case you haven't seen it before) | 16:33 |
muke | Hey, I'm trying to set up an nfs server on my devuan machine, but it's telling me there's no support in the current kernel. Before I go off compiling my own kernel with support, I just wanted to check that the default devuan does not in fact come with nfs support, and I'm not doing something else wrong? | 16:34 |
gnarface | golinux: sorry, i did see it i just didn't read the whole thing | 16:38 |
gnarface | muke: it should come with nfs but maybe you aren't loading the modules right | 16:39 |
golinux | I'm pretty sure it needs to import the Debian source oif the pkg hasn't been forked before/ | 16:39 |
golinux | But it's too much for me to digest | 16:40 |
muke | gnarface any idea on how to check that? it seems like the nfs modules are loaded in in lsmod, but idk exactly which one I'm looking for | 16:41 |
gnarface | muke: you probably need a couple of them, i'm not sure which either, but try this: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -iname 'nfs*' | 16:43 |
gnarface | muke: you will need the right version of nfsv2/3/4 for your setup too | 16:44 |
gnarface | i think you only need one of those particular ones | 16:44 |
gnarface | but you probably also need a couple of the others | 16:44 |
gnarface | muke: make sure you also have the nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server packages | 16:45 |
muke | gnarface seems like nfsd wasn't loaded in, gonna give it a try after running modprobe on that | 16:45 |
muke | ah yea that fixed it, but now it's complaining about portmapper not running | 16:46 |
muke | ok yea I got it, thanks for the help | 16:47 |
gnarface | no problem... | 16:47 |
queip | security.debian.org has invalid ssl cert | 17:01 |
queip | lmao | 17:01 |
Xenguy | .oO( seems ironic ) | 17:02 |
queip | maybe a coverup for the critical thunderbird bug? | 17:09 |
queip | did devuan fixed this one already? where it devuan's tracker of security bugs? | 17:09 |
gnarface | bug fixes will typically be inherited from upstream | 17:19 |
gnarface | there is a bugs.devuan.org though if you want to report something | 17:19 |
icarious | Devuan doesn't support openrc-init like Gentoo? | 21:59 |
icarious | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC#openrc-init | 21:59 |
icarious | Couldn't find a /sbin/openrc-init | 22:00 |
MinceR | iirc there is an openrc package | 22:03 |
MinceR | not sure what the executable is named, probably /sbin/init | 22:03 |
MinceR | but it's possible to query what files are in a package, somehow | 22:04 |
icarious | MinceR: openrc-init is actually a standalone init which replaces /sbin/init. | 22:04 |
MinceR | i thought openrc used the same init executable as sysvinit | 22:05 |
MinceR | just replaced the rc scripts | 22:05 |
icarious | MinceR: that is the default behaviour yes. Most people use it that way along with sysvinit as a supervisor. But these days it can act as an init itself | 22:05 |
icarious | Its possible in Gentoo. But I guess its built differently in Devuan | 22:06 |
MinceR | ic | 22:06 |
MinceR | maybe the debian/devuan package isn't that new | 22:06 |
MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 22:06 |
* icarious checks version | 22:06 | |
icarious | Oh yes | 22:07 |
icarious | ASCII is using openrc-0.23 | 22:07 |
icarious | openrc-init was introduced since 0.25 | 22:07 |
MinceR | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/openrc/filelist | 22:07 |
icarious | MinceR: just checked the installed version. So that answers | 22:08 |
MinceR | :) | 22:08 |
icarious | The upcoming buster based update should come with it | 22:08 |
icarious | No matter. I am trying out Devuan for the first time | 22:08 |
icarious | Its a breather to see the system without systemd | 22:09 |
icarious | Back to the old days | 22:09 |
icarious | Is there a Devuan equivalent page to https://www.debian.org/mirror/list ? | 22:11 |
fsmithred | icarious, https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 22:24 |
icarious | fsmithred: thanks | 22:24 |
silverwillow | Hey all. new-ish to Devuan. Wondering how to setup repositories... are the 'vanilla' Debian ones where it's at? Running ASCII 2.x | 22:56 |
plasma41 | silverwillow: No, see https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 22:59 |
silverwillow | thnx :) | 22:59 |
plasma41 | Point your sources.list exclusively to Devuan repos. Packages forked by Devuan will be served from there and unforked packages will be transparently fetched from Debian. | 23:01 |
silverwillow | nice. good to know. | 23:01 |
plasma41 | np | 23:03 |
icarious | Just for the same of reviewing. My Devuan installation went smoothly. Switching to OpenRC was smooth. | 23:04 |
plasma41 | icarious: nice | 23:07 |
silverwillow | on the installation front... moving to Beowulf should be as simple as replacing 'ascii' in the repositories file... (need latest GNUstep packages and they are in Beowulf) | 23:12 |
silverwillow | correct? | 23:12 |
rrq | kind of: beowulf doesn't have backports, proposed or proposed-updates. | 23:15 |
silverwillow | fair enough - so how do i get up to date GNUstep packages for 'stable' ASCII? the ones available are 'ancient'... | 23:17 |
rrq | mmm ascii has gnustep 7.8 and beowulf has 7.10 | 23:18 |
silverwillow | gnustep 7.x is a package with various applications... the issue is that GNUstep just released an important 'stable' release of the make/base/gui/back packages. | 23:20 |
plasma41 | silverwillow: When I've needed a specific package from testing, I'll typically add the testing repos to my sources.list, apt update, install the desired package, then comment out testing from sources.list, and apt update again. | 23:21 |
plasma41 | So long as you don't need to install a lot of deps from testing, it's a reasonably straightforward pa | 23:23 |
silverwillow | well, i guess it's all good. I'll just run with the older stuff i guess. So ASCII never get's updated until Beowulf gets promoted to stable. Sorry for asking these newbie questions... I haven;t used a Debian-style system in a long time (been on Alpine and Arch instead) | 23:23 |
plasma41 | So long as you don't need to install a lot of deps from testing, it's a reasonably straightforward process. | 23:23 |
plasma41 | silverwillow: For the most part yes. There are exceptions for security updates and the like. | 23:24 |
silverwillow | i may just opt to stay with ASCII as a base system and then build GNUstep from git and live 'dangerously' :) | 23:25 |
plasma41 | Each new stable release is essentially a snapshot of testing at the time of the release. | 23:25 |
icarious | Some screenshots of my Devuan installation for the interested https://framapic.org/gallery#faVLXj8jEyWs/QGY51HKkJuiS.png,AlQSUHc2Q4kI/80Sjpm7eHjJU.png,lj2hzDL9Trfy/YzH6ddkzWD2S.png,gxB65FMSGbcB/1oGcYey8kEj6.png :P | 23:25 |
icarious | Oh dear, huge link | 23:25 |
icarious | https://framapic.org/AlQSUHc2Q4kI/80Sjpm7eHjJU.png https://framapic.org/faVLXj8jEyWs/QGY51HKkJuiS.png https://framapic.org/lj2hzDL9Trfy/YzH6ddkzWD2S.png https://framapic.org/gxB65FMSGbcB/1oGcYey8kEj6.png | 23:27 |
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