Burek | does steam work in devuan? | 00:10 |
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ashleyk_ | Burek, probably | 00:13 |
ashleyk_ | Burek, why wouldnt it | 00:13 |
Burek | someone told me steam requires some systemd bs in order to work properly | 00:15 |
ashleyk_ | did you confirm? | 00:15 |
Burek | not really, hence me asking | 00:15 |
Burek | actually i read it on artix forums | 00:16 |
Burek | arch without systemd basically | 00:16 |
gnarface | Burek: it needs systemd for very little. you can get by | 00:16 |
ashleyk_ | id be suprised if it needed it at all | 00:17 |
Burek | https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,604.0.html | 00:17 |
Burek | dbus apparently | 00:17 |
Burek | :thonk: | 00:17 |
ashleyk_ | udev? | 00:18 |
gnarface | it depends on steam for permissions, but you can fix them up manually in most cases, with some environment variables and udev customizations | 00:18 |
gnarface | it depends on pulseaudio for streaming | 00:18 |
ashleyk_ | lol | 00:18 |
gnarface | but you can simulate that with netcat :-p | 00:18 |
gnarface | it just needs permissions for gamepads, and the steam controller | 00:19 |
Burek | so, it's kinda like too much work huh | 00:19 |
ashleyk_ | its probably easy | 00:19 |
gnarface | depends on how much you hate systemd, really | 00:19 |
ashleyk_ | but its steam, so is it worth it? | 00:19 |
Burek | yes lol | 00:20 |
Burek | Gaben is my Lord | 00:20 |
ashleyk_ | what is a gaben | 00:20 |
Burek | Gabe Newell, the guy behind steam | 00:21 |
gnarface | (*depends on systemd for permissions, i meant to type up there, obviously) | 00:21 |
Burek | or as gamers call him Gaben | 00:21 |
gnarface | there is a steam package in non-free | 00:21 |
gnarface | use that | 00:21 |
Burek | https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/gaben | 00:21 |
gnarface | and make sure if you have nvidia hardware, you get the backports drivers | 00:21 |
Burek | gpu drivers for my thinkpad are already in the kernel, so i'm not really worried about that | 00:22 |
gnarface | you might still need the backports mesa for intel/amd, for some games | 00:22 |
ashleyk_ | does steam have any good games | 00:22 |
Burek | i do light gaming on this laptop, PC runs another distro | 00:22 |
Burek | i mean, it has like 5000 linux games atm | 00:22 |
gnarface | steam has a TON of games | 00:22 |
Burek | from big titles to indie ones | 00:22 |
specing | Steam has lots of steam | 00:23 |
Burek | it's literally _THE_ gaming platform | 00:23 |
specing | but is low on freedom | 00:23 |
gnarface | it is very low on freedom :( | 00:23 |
gnarface | and it might very well be quite evil | 00:24 |
specing | There are tons of good foss games | 00:24 |
gnarface | however, not all of the games sold through it require it to run, and not all of them have DRM either | 00:24 |
specing | you should be ashamed of yourself if you use steam | 00:24 |
Burek | xd | 00:24 |
gnarface | i am ashamed of myself for it | 00:24 |
ashleyk_ | i only play openarena | 00:24 |
gnarface | i'm more ashamed of battle.net though :-P | 00:24 |
specing | I'm involved in a foss game's management and we get virtually no players, only 2-3 per year | 00:24 |
Burek | i wonder why | 00:25 |
jelly | there are literally no A level games at all | 00:25 |
specing | it is very hard to get players (we are not on steam) | 00:25 |
jelly | that are open source | 00:25 |
jelly | let alone free software | 00:25 |
ashleyk_ | openarena is oss | 00:25 |
specing | What is "A level"? | 00:25 |
ashleyk_ | :D | 00:25 |
gnarface | ioquake3 is good though | 00:25 |
specing | quake is very bad | 00:25 |
ashleyk_ | never tried it | 00:25 |
specing | there are a lot of FOSS games that are much better than openarena&friends | 00:26 |
MinceR | xonotic > * | 00:26 |
specing | both visually and content-vise | 00:26 |
specing | MinceR: xonotic is rather bad, only its vehicle part and freezetag (that noone plays) are good | 00:26 |
ashleyk_ | without quake the world woudl be a very different place | 00:26 |
specing | MinceR: and "good" | 00:26 |
jelly | sorry, AAA | 00:26 |
MinceR | yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. | 00:27 |
MinceR | then again, maybe you played on jeff's servers, those are crap | 00:27 |
specing | I am also very sad that when you ask people why they don't play FOSS games, they tell you that openarena is the best there is | 00:27 |
specing | it just shows their steam-head ignorance | 00:27 |
specing | but the fault also lies on FOSS games, NIH is high instead of joining forces for a common platform | 00:28 |
jelly | you sure won't get more by alienating users | 00:28 |
MinceR | actually there's a lot of joining forces in a game like xonotic | 00:28 |
specing | well, I'm not getting any users to alienate in the first place | 00:28 |
MinceR | the engine is shared with other games | 00:28 |
ashleyk_ | lol openarena is the best | 00:28 |
gnarface | if you want foss games just search the repo for games... | 00:28 |
MinceR | there are official mods | 00:28 |
MinceR | there is a ton of modding going on so the same game can be used in multiple ways | 00:28 |
Burek | you want good foss game? https://crawl.develz.org/ | 00:28 |
MinceR | and FOSS games often share assets | 00:28 |
ashleyk_ | Burek, do you actually play that | 00:29 |
Xenguy | MinceR Love the Lebowski | 00:29 |
Burek | i do | 00:29 |
Burek | i love me some rogue-like/lites | 00:30 |
MinceR | :) | 00:30 |
Burek | and that one is in my top 5 ^^ | 00:30 |
ashleyk_ | i played nethack until they ruined it | 00:30 |
Burek | im too stupid for ascii roguelites/likes | 00:30 |
Burek | :( | 00:30 |
specing | What I miss in nethack is multiplayer | 00:30 |
ashleyk_ | the only multiplayer is the bones files | 00:31 |
specing | I don't enjoy singleplayer games at all | 00:31 |
Burek | i know a roguelike mmo game | 00:32 |
Burek | lemme find it | 00:32 |
ashleyk_ | http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org | 00:33 |
Burek | https://cataclysmdda.org/ | 00:34 |
ashleyk_ | i think maybe angband was too | 00:34 |
Burek | i really need to get into roguelikes/lites more, again | 00:35 |
Burek | then again i did buy one the other day :) | 00:35 |
Burek | http://www.tangledeep.com/ | 00:36 |
specing | Burek: is it FOSS? | 00:36 |
Burek | no | 00:36 |
specing | Shame on you | 00:36 |
Burek | no | 00:36 |
ashleyk_ | who pays for games | 00:36 |
Burek | i like supporting indie devs. they don't have to be all FOSS | 00:37 |
specing | your collective actions today mean that in the future, your children will not be able to play multiplayer FOSS games - because there will be no players and consequently, no developers working on them. | 00:38 |
specing | Player counts are declining nearly all over the foss multiplayer gaming world | 00:38 |
ashleyk_ | iqs are declining faster | 00:39 |
* Evilham spends more money on games than time playing | 00:40 | |
Xenguy | presidents have become moronic | 00:40 |
Evilham | Specially if they support anything other than android, windows and mac/iOS | 00:40 |
MinceR | people in general have become moronic | 00:40 |
ashleyk_ | Xenguy, at least the president is american again | 00:41 |
Xenguy | That he is | 00:41 |
jelly | specing: I suspect that's because not many FOSS games have a working business model | 00:42 |
MinceR | they don't need one | 00:42 |
MinceR | the point is not making money, it's having fun | 00:43 |
jelly | the point is also being able to support yourself | 00:43 |
jelly | and your family | 00:43 |
ashleyk_ | thats a bad idea | 00:43 |
ashleyk_ | take care of the basics before you decide you want to make an OSS game | 00:44 |
specing | FOSS games are generally developed in people's free time | 00:44 |
specing | in the game I play, all players are developers | 00:44 |
MinceR | well, we have the choice between games that are made to be free and fun and games that are made to drive sales of microtransactions, DLCs and lootbox bullshit | 00:44 |
MinceR | i've made my choice :> | 00:44 |
jelly | I'd vastly prefer being paid doing what I love than doing something I hate and making what I love in the precious little free time | 00:44 |
Burek | generalizing. only AAA titles have those. not indie games MinceR | 00:44 |
MinceR | i'm also not a fan of DRM | 00:44 |
ashleyk_ | jelly, then make a game based on a ponzi scheme and blockchain | 00:45 |
ashleyk_ | :D | 00:45 |
MinceR | :> | 00:45 |
jelly | ashleyk_: we seem to have almost diametrically opposite ideas of fun! | 00:46 |
ashleyk_ | if you want to make money while having fun, then you have to figure that out | 00:47 |
MinceR | it's a pity adapting software to make it possible to sell licenses for it also makes it less useful | 00:47 |
MinceR | the harder one tries to drive a profit, the worse it gets | 00:47 |
ashleyk_ | the future (imo) is real world games | 00:48 |
MinceR | Global Thermonuclear War! | 00:49 |
ashleyk_ | though, have to make it doable from home too | 00:49 |
ashleyk_ | not just pokemon go | 00:49 |
ashleyk_ | but like AR/VR and gps | 00:49 |
MinceR | scan real world places with drones and play FPS-es in them? | 00:49 |
ashleyk_ | when i was in junior high we made quake maps of the school and went in guns blazing | 00:50 |
ashleyk_ | maybe get arrested for that now :D | 00:50 |
MinceR | :> | 00:50 |
ashleyk_ | why are there 300 ogres! | 00:51 |
MinceR | *bang* 299 | 00:51 |
ashleyk_ | and even more zombies | 00:51 |
tuxd3v | Hello all | 01:37 |
tuxd3v | o7 | 01:37 |
Zhuangzi-Tao | helllo | 01:39 |
MinceR | hay | 01:41 |
Zhuangzi-Tao | quiet today. :) | 01:42 |
Xenguy | The sound of the rain on the roof is wonderful | 01:43 |
ashleyk_ | "The taste of soy in my latte is wonderful" ftfy | 01:43 |
ashleyk_ | :D | 01:43 |
Xenguy | heh | 01:43 |
Xenguy | ChuangTzu Are you a butterfly? | 01:44 |
Zhuangzi-Tao | Ah, or a man dreaming of one. ;) | 01:45 |
golinux | Yes. He keep morphing | 01:45 |
golinux | keeps | 01:45 |
tuxd3v | I need some help chosing the best colors for some menus .. | 01:45 |
tuxd3v | :( | 01:45 |
ashleyk_ | hotdog stand color scheme | 01:46 |
tuxd3v | http://i.imgur.com/1rnjm7v.png | 01:46 |
tuxd3v | choosing bether colors that stays fidel to Devuan | 01:47 |
tuxd3v | I am trying to base it in : | 01:47 |
tuxd3v | https://dev1galaxy.org | 01:47 |
tuxd3v | don't know if invert magenta with grey dark.. | 01:50 |
tuxd3v | what would for you be better | 01:51 |
Zhuangzi-Tao | its a good start tux | 01:51 |
tuxd3v | magenta in background | 01:51 |
tuxd3v | and gry dark inside box | 01:51 |
tuxd3v | or Grey dark in background | 01:51 |
tuxd3v | and magenta inside the box | 01:51 |
tuxd3v | ? | 01:51 |
tuxd3v | iventerting both colors | 01:52 |
tuxd3v | inverting | 01:52 |
Zhuangzi-Tao | I like it how it is, but then again I like boxes being darker. | 01:52 |
ashleyk_ | tuxd3v, does this work with parazyd's libdevuan | 01:53 |
ashleyk_ | or w/e it is | 01:53 |
tuxd3v | for now, it doesn't | 01:54 |
ashleyk_ | i mean, theres already a way to build images | 01:54 |
tuxd3v | almost, for one Board, but then I realized ... | 01:54 |
tuxd3v | After seeing the work the guys of 'buildroot' | 01:54 |
tuxd3v | put into it.. | 01:54 |
tuxd3v | I understood that, I needed a Backed designed with simplicity in mind, but at same time, fullfilling diferent archs/hardware/verdors | 01:55 |
tuxd3v | which already exists in 'buildroot' | 01:56 |
tuxd3v | but In my opinion they build it on a contrary way | 01:56 |
tuxd3v | awkward | 01:56 |
ashleyk_ | who is your intended audience for this software | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | They start by asking zillions of questions | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | then in the end you build | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | I decided to do the inverse | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | starting by basic questions | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | like | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | arch | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | arm,mips,etc | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | then vendors | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | Allwinner | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | rockchip, | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | then CPU | 01:57 |
tuxd3v | h3,H5,H6, | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | rk3399 | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | and only then Boards | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | Rockpro64 | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | pineh64 | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | orangepi one plus | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | Orangepi 3 | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | and so on | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | So this information his in my backed | 01:58 |
tuxd3v | that I am now producing | 01:59 |
tuxd3v | , with almost finished work for the logic/workflow of it | 01:59 |
tuxd3v | So I am not going to do my Backend in Makefile | 02:00 |
tuxd3v | .. | 02:00 |
ashleyk_ | but why a gui | 02:00 |
tuxd3v | I love M;akefile | 02:00 |
ashleyk_ | why does it need a gui | 02:00 |
tuxd3v | but all of this in a Makefile...crazy, I am doing it in Lua Tables | 02:00 |
tuxd3v | Organized.. | 02:00 |
tuxd3v | Some sort of JSON | 02:00 |
tuxd3v | Its more pratical, and for people that doesn't understand much | 02:01 |
tuxd3v | I think its better | 02:01 |
tuxd3v | A taste of the backend: | 02:01 |
ashleyk_ | are there a lot of people that want devuan but dont know a lot? | 02:02 |
ashleyk_ | and cant use the embedded images from the server? | 02:02 |
tuxd3v | http://i.imgur.com/1G1Lrhh.png | 02:02 |
tuxd3v | The problem is that there are a lot of boards not supported yet | 02:03 |
tuxd3v | in the server | 02:06 |
tuxd3v | And this option is to cover that Boards | 02:07 |
tuxd3v | An example? | 02:07 |
tuxd3v | Boards with octacore nexel cpus | 02:07 |
golinux | All this is a bit OT. Not really Devuan support. Might be better to head to #debianfork | 02:07 |
golinux | Not good to stuff the logs with "stuff" that folks have to wade through. | 02:08 |
tuxd3v | I was asking for help with colors for the menus | 02:08 |
tuxd3v | to stay fidel to Devuan | 02:09 |
golinux | That is not a technical Devuan question. | 02:09 |
jelly | golinux: is this a technical-only channel? | 02:10 |
Xenguy | Intended as such, AFAIK | 02:10 |
golinux | It's a technical support channel to get Devuan working. | 02:10 |
Xenguy | #debianfork is freely OT, which is nice | 02:10 |
golinux | This ^^^ | 02:11 |
tuxd3v | I am sorry for the trouble.. | 02:12 |
Xenguy | No worries | 02:12 |
Zhuangzi-Tao | Just learned something new. :) | 02:13 |
tuxd3v | me too :) | 02:18 |
ashleyk_ | now lets talk about why openarena is the best foss game | 02:22 |
ashleyk_ | again | 02:22 |
ashleyk_ | lol | 02:22 |
specing | OA is awful | 02:22 |
ashleyk_ | LOL | 02:22 |
specing | Unvanquished is probably the best FOSS shooter - no players of course | 02:23 |
ashleyk_ | its got its own community and culture | 02:23 |
ashleyk_ | unvanquished is just wolf ET? | 02:23 |
specing | no? | 02:24 |
specing | also totaly forgot wolf ET, that game is great | 02:24 |
ashleyk_ | oh, smokin guns right? | 02:24 |
golinux | Please take OT to #debianfork | 02:24 |
specing | but unfortunately wolf ET is a security nightmare and not going anywhere | 02:24 |
golinux | This is a support channel | 02:24 |
jelly | golinux: you might want to s/discussion/support/ in the topic, make it clear if you're going to enforce it | 02:25 |
ashleyk_ | who is going to read these logs besides spies for lennart | 02:26 |
specing | golinux is going to gohammer us | 02:26 |
fsmithred | devs read it | 02:26 |
golinux | And it's a pain to have to slog though irrelevant chatter | 02:27 |
tuxd3v | fsmuthred, Was exactly becasue of that that I put my questions here... | 02:27 |
tuxd3v | er, becasue | 02:27 |
tuxd3v | never mind | 02:27 |
gnarface | just try to keep the editorializing in the other channel | 02:28 |
gnarface | and try to use less newlines | 02:28 |
ashleyk_ | or just only join if you have a support question | 02:28 |
ashleyk_ | or are waiting for someone to ask a question so you can help... | 02:29 |
fsmithred | for more in-depth talk about embedded stuff there's an arm channel (#devuan-arm?) | 02:29 |
gnarface | yes, it's #devuan-arm | 02:29 |
tuxd3v | fsmithred,gnarface: | 02:30 |
tuxd3v | Have you guys saw that #devuan-arm ... | 02:31 |
tuxd3v | Only has a penguin there... | 02:31 |
tuxd3v | me? | 02:31 |
ashleyk_ | no, its you and me | 02:31 |
tuxd3v | sorry you are not there | 02:32 |
ashleyk_ | and gnarface and parazyd | 02:32 |
tuxd3v | :) | 02:32 |
tuxd3v | no I am the only one there | 02:32 |
ashleyk_ | #devuan-arm | 02:32 |
gnarface | could be some net split problem i think, but double-check your spelling tuxd3v | 02:32 |
fsmithred | I see a big list of names there (big ~ 20) | 02:33 |
tuxd3v | I typed "#devun-arm" | 02:33 |
tuxd3v | my mistake | 02:33 |
fsmithred | maybe that's French | 02:33 |
golinux | I think you have to be subscribed to join #devuan-arm | 02:38 |
golinux | Ping parazyd | 02:39 |
ashleyk_ | no, theres no problem | 02:39 |
fsmithred | I got in ok and saw that tuxd3v entered | 02:39 |
golinux | It was locked during the spam blitz | 02:40 |
golinux | Bath time for me | 02:40 |
fsmithred | enjoy it | 02:40 |
ephemer0l_ | https://twitter.com/MashiRafael/status/1116334415096025089 | 08:56 |
* enyc meows | 14:27 | |
telmich | kjg: welcome! | 15:46 |
jinguk | hello | 15:50 |
telmich | jinguk: you might also be interested in #devuan-dev | 15:52 |
jinguk | hello | 15:54 |
jinguk | Does anyone know where ascii-backports is? | 15:56 |
jinguk | E: The repository 'http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports Release' does not have a Release file. | 15:56 |
furrywolf | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free | 15:59 |
furrywolf | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free | 15:59 |
fsmithred | jinguk, try deb.devuan.org instead of auto.mirror.devuan.org | 15:59 |
fsmithred | furrywolf types faster | 15:59 |
furrywolf | furrywolf copy+pastes quickly. :P | 15:59 |
fsmithred | didn't you have to type "cat /etc/apt/so"? | 16:00 |
fsmithred | TAB | 16:00 |
furrywolf | yes | 16:00 |
fsmithred | just think, in a few years we can have brain implants so we don't have to type | 16:00 |
fsmithred | I can't wait | 16:00 |
fsmithred | brb, need coffee | 16:01 |
jinguk | i got this message. | 16:05 |
jinguk | E: The repository 'http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports Release' does not have a Release file. | 16:05 |
furrywolf | ... | 16:07 |
furrywolf | fuck off and die? | 16:07 |
telmich | furrywolf: what is wrong with you? | 16:10 |
furrywolf | I answer someone's question, and they just repeat it? | 16:10 |
furrywolf | why bother asking if you're not going to read the responses and just ask again? | 16:11 |
telmich | furrywolf: I'd assume a "I answered above, please check" would have done it | 16:11 |
furrywolf | you might assume wrong. :) | 16:12 |
jinguk | i changed source.list. | 16:12 |
fsmithred | run apt update after changing sources.list | 16:17 |
jinguk | yes, i ran apt update after changgin sources.list. | 16:19 |
jinguk | but i got a message | 16:19 |
jinguk | E: The repository 'http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports Release' does not have a Release file | 16:19 |
golinux | Hi jinguk! Nice to see you here. | 16:31 |
jinguk | nice to see you, tto | 16:31 |
jinguk | nice to see you, too | 16:31 |
golinux | Hi to telmich too! | 16:33 |
jinguk | i solved it. i removed files in source.list.d | 16:33 |
golinux | Yeah. "stuff" in there can cause problems. | 16:36 |
jinguk | thank you, furrywolf | 16:38 |
jinguk | thank you, fsmithred | 16:38 |
Evilham | jinguk: :-D | 18:00 |
Evilham | good to see you around! | 18:00 |
Evilham | just FYI: you should probably update the opennebula images, so that they use deb.devuan.org as mirror by default | 18:00 |
Evilham | or even better: you can use https://mirror.datacenterlight.ch/mirror/devuan/ | 18:01 |
Evilham | since that's right there in your infra | 18:01 |
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