| _abc_ | How does one list the real-root in mounts if it is not shown? I think my rootfs is reiser | 00:01 |
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| _abc_ | Why is it not in /proc/mounts at all!? | 00:01 |
| _abc_ | Who is coming up with these cretin ideas breaking fundamental stuff like / mount being in mounts?! | 00:02 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure about that... are you running without a fstab too? | 00:02 |
| _abc_ | of course not. I have mtab and fstab and so on | 00:02 |
| gnarface | how does the output of "mount" compare to the contents of your /proc/mounts file? | 00:03 |
| _abc_ | this is ascii, unmodified, installed to hdd from live media using r2u or such | 00:03 |
| _abc_ | gnarface: they are identical | 00:03 |
| _abc_ | And root is missing from both | 00:04 |
| gnarface | weird | 00:04 |
| _abc_ | Tell me about it. | 00:04 |
| _abc_ | Just a second | 00:04 |
| _abc_ | Wow, I really have too much stuff on my disks. | 00:05 |
| _abc_ | Just finished finding the script fsmithred pasted, it is called something else here... shutdown-script.sh . I linked it to the "new" (old) name so I can find it easily. | 00:06 |
| _abc_ | Back to root mount. | 00:06 |
| _abc_ | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/152029/why-is-there-no-rootfs-file-system-present-on-my-system relevant | 00:07 |
| _abc_ | Comments? Do you see / mounted in your mount output? | 00:07 |
| _abc_ | And indeed I get a mount in df | 00:07 |
| _abc_ | for / | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | nope. It's not in mount output. | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking in jessie now | 00:08 |
| _abc_ | I sugest we organize a trip to a deserted island for all developers and ensure only those who do not break POSIX return... | 00:09 |
| _abc_ | I am really pissed at these things. | 00:09 |
| koollman | easy trip to plan. just need one-way tickets for everyone ;) | 00:10 |
| _abc_ | ok, now it is in /proc/mounts | 00:16 |
| _abc_ | What did I do?! | 00:16 |
| gnarface | lemme know if you figure it out | 00:16 |
| _abc_ | And I am relieved no more reiser here. I was on reiser for 10 years on an etch system | 00:16 |
| _abc_ | gnarface: I assume symlink vs file copy? | 00:16 |
| gnarface | oh, maybe | 00:16 |
| gnarface | yea, probably that | 00:17 |
| _abc_ | Btw sad about Reiser, the man. There seems to be a spate of bad luck for developers in USA lately? Look what happened to the Debian founder too. | 00:17 |
| _abc_ | Lately, in the last few years. | 00:18 |
| gnarface | it shouldn't even matter here, is the thing. the filesystem didn't kill anyone. | 00:18 |
| _abc_ | It would have benefited from a few fixups, perhaps from the original author? Even if in jail. The poor man could use some activity for sure. | 00:18 |
| gnarface | the same can't be said for the rocket models every nation's space program are based on | 00:18 |
| _abc_ | hm? | 00:19 |
| gnarface | nevermind, we're dangerously close to going offtopic | 00:19 |
| gnarface | the important part is that we CAN prove that reiserfs is innocent | 00:19 |
| _abc_ | 1:20AM here. Will drop out in 10. | 00:20 |
| gnarface | and that it has been framed | 00:20 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: what else did you want to do? | 00:20 |
| gnarface | and the same can't be said for ext4 | 00:20 |
| _abc_ | gnarface: I don't know about that. It's clear he developed a "Russian mail wife" problem. The rest is details. | 00:20 |
| gnarface | _abc_: re-read previous statement. i typed "reiserfs" | 00:21 |
| _abc_ | Ah ok | 00:21 |
| _abc_ | I should have written mail-order | 00:21 |
| golinux | <gnarface> nevermind, we're dangerously close to going offtopic | 00:21 |
| _abc_ | true | 00:21 |
| golinux | This ^^^ | 00:21 |
| gnarface | everything that this sabotaged wrapper script has ever caused reiserfs to do to me, ext4 has done all on it's own. | 00:21 |
| _abc_ | Ah ext4 is worse, you say? | 00:22 |
| gnarface | i can't say whether it's worse right now, but when it first appeared as an installation option in debian and raspbian, it was definitely worse then. | 00:22 |
| _abc_ | I am quite conservative, and I run old hw. So I am very slow to adopt new things. I let others be the guinea pigs, sort of. My motto is, the early bird gets eaten. One of my mottos. | 00:22 |
| gnarface | yea, ext4 was pushed into service prematurely, the tools just weren't reliable enough | 00:23 |
| _abc_ | Makes sense. | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, get some sleep. I'll diff /etc/init.d/halt | 00:24 |
| gnarface | and i never really had any problems with ext3, it was just slower than reiserfs, that's all. | 00:24 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: I think you said it's the same. Only that last command matters. | 00:24 |
| gnarface | but with improved sane defaults, xfs is much more viable now than it was then too | 00:24 |
| _abc_ | My laptop I am using with ascii is so slow the ext2 rootfs does not matter :) | 00:24 |
| _abc_ | Ok, we'll pick up the discussion some other day, thanks and bye | 00:25 |
| nighty | Evilham: o/ | 06:03 |
| xrogaan | One of the deceptions I like with linux distros is that the desktop works properly without specific hardware drivers installed. | 13:34 |
| xrogaan | Several people asked for help on various forums, most of them didn't have drivers installed and didn't realize it. | 13:35 |
| xrogaan | That's how good linux is. | 13:35 |
| specing | I wasn't aware that people had to install drivers to use their android phones or chromebook laptops | 13:41 |
| specing | or newbie-targetted GNU+Linux distributions | 13:42 |
| xrogaan | because we're not trying to setup the system as "magic" | 13:45 |
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