systemdlete | https://pastebin.com/AwP0UiLN | 00:00 |
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gnarface | these lines are pretty telling: (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory | 00:02 |
gnarface | missing kernel module | 00:02 |
systemdlete | what I figured | 00:02 |
systemdlete | but why wouldn't that be installed with the installation? | 00:03 |
systemdlete | Do I have a mucked-up install of Ascii? | 00:03 |
systemdlete | Should I re-install? | 00:03 |
gnarface | it's probably installed but just not being loaded by default | 00:03 |
gnarface | find it and add it to /etc/modules | 00:04 |
systemdlete | is dri generic? or is it a specific manufacturer? | 00:04 |
gnarface | though, check dmesg... maybe there's cases where you need to add firmware instead | 00:04 |
systemdlete | oh | 00:04 |
gnarface | the dri interface is generic, but the drivers that make it are vendor specific | 00:04 |
systemdlete | got it. | 00:04 |
systemdlete | So this is some ATI driver? | 00:05 |
gnarface | or, actually that might be an oversimplification - the dri part might be itself generic but relying on a vendor-specific module | 00:05 |
gnarface | yes, some ATI driver | 00:05 |
systemdlete | So I want to look for... what did I say... RS780? | 00:06 |
gnarface | check dmesg first for complaints about missing firmware | 00:06 |
gnarface | i don't think this is supposed to be happening > [ 1101.370] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering | 00:07 |
systemdlete | [drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-amd-graphics. | 00:07 |
gnarface | bingo | 00:07 |
systemdlete | I see that on hyperbola boot also | 00:07 |
systemdlete | bingo | 00:07 |
systemdlete | and this wuld be the non-free part | 00:08 |
systemdlete | or one of them | 00:08 |
gnarface | yea it is in non-free, which is why it is not installed by default for you | 00:08 |
systemdlete | so enable it in repos and install? | 00:08 |
gnarface | yea | 00:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ /msg alis LIST netfilter | 00:09 |
gnarface | so this is how AMD claims they have an open-source driver. they just cripple it if you don't add the non-free firmware | 00:09 |
gnarface | i think that's dirty pool but it's a half step better than NVidia's middle finger | 00:10 |
systemdlete | clever. Looks like non-free is already enabled (I did nothing, btw) | 00:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | slightly late, sorry. anyway xrogaan ^^^ | 00:10 |
gnarface | systemdlete: if you install in expert mode, it asks you | 00:10 |
gnarface | i'm not sure what the situation is otherwise | 00:10 |
systemdlete | don't recall how I installed | 00:11 |
systemdlete | gnarface: Should I be installing in expert mode for this? Do I need to re-install? | 00:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | indeed iptables / netfilters is a power monster but completely unmanageable at least for me. A highly intriguing example how you could create a system of almost infinite complexity from only half a dozen simple rules | 00:13 |
gnarface | systemdlete: no no, don't worry about that now. next time you do an install try it out though, the questions are a lot more verbose, and i suspect you will like it more | 00:13 |
systemdlete | actually, now that I think of it, you guys advised me to do expert mode the first time I installed to hardware on my testbox | 00:14 |
gnarface | systemdlete: for now just add that firmware package and reboot. maybe it'll magically fix it, no guarantees some more configuration isn't necessary, but i'm sure it won't work without it. | 00:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Wonka: >>aliexpress is on akamai - is akamai not fully DS already?<< what's DS? | 00:15 |
systemdlete | ok, that means rebooting this box,so give me a few minutes. I'll try to bring up IRC on Devuan | 00:16 |
systemdlete | bbs/bbl who knows | 00:16 |
gnarface | good luck | 00:16 |
systemdlete | thanks | 00:16 |
systemdlete | I am looking for something like RS780, or just RS600 (like a generic name covering many versions?) | 00:18 |
gnarface | looking for where now? | 00:21 |
gnarface | dmesg |grep firmware -i | 00:21 |
gnarface | or just check the Xorg log for lines with (EE) | 00:21 |
gnarface | several of them should have disappeared now | 00:21 |
systemdlete | when I get devuan rebooted, I call apt install | 00:22 |
systemdlete | I mean, what is the convention for package names for these? | 00:22 |
systemdlete | (I've always wondered about package names for hardware... mysterious many times) | 00:22 |
gnarface | it looks like you already have the right driver | 00:22 |
* systemdlete is still on hyperbola | 00:22 | |
gnarface | oh | 00:22 |
systemdlete | Rs780 | 00:23 |
gnarface | no it won't be that specific | 00:23 |
gnarface | the firmware for all of them is in one package | 00:23 |
gnarface | all the xorg packages start with "xserver-xorg-" but by default it should have included them all | 00:24 |
systemdlete | is this one with "xf86" in the name? | 00:24 |
gnarface | no | 00:24 |
gnarface | xserver-xorg-video-r128, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-radeon | 00:25 |
systemdlete | ok, got it. thnx | 00:25 |
gnarface | it's supposed to just load the regular "ati" driver, which that Xorg log showed it doing. and that "ati" driver is supposed to be smart enough to chain-load r128 or radeon as necessary | 00:26 |
gnarface | though it wasn't always that way | 00:26 |
gnarface | your card is probably supported by the radeon one, but i'm not sure. almost nothing actually uses the r128 one | 00:27 |
gnarface | most the cards in the wild are the radeon one these days, only very ancient stuff just uses the base "ati" driver | 00:28 |
systemdlete | Yeah, I'm thinking radeon also. That's the error message I see here on Hyperbola linux also | 00:28 |
systemdlete | Will I need to modify any config files before launching X11? | 00:29 |
gnarface | probably not | 00:29 |
gnarface | we won't know what to change until we see the updated xorg.log anyway | 00:29 |
gnarface | Xorg.0.log or whatever | 00:29 |
systemdlete | ok | 00:29 |
systemdlete | let's hope that it "just works" | 00:30 |
gnarface | that's what is supposed to happen. they've got it up to about 80% accuracy :) | 00:30 |
systemdlete | bb... thanks again for everyone's help | 00:30 |
gnarface | no problem | 00:30 |
systemdlete | later | 00:30 |
systemdlete | gnarface: I had radeon installed, but not ati128. That was the only thing left to install. I did, and restarted X (actually, rebooted, a bit overkill), but still border and the same error message on boot | 00:52 |
systemdlete | The Xorg log is at 1082107 on the debian pastebin | 00:53 |
systemdlete | (I forget the url) | 00:53 |
gnarface | stand by, i'm looking | 00:53 |
systemdlete | paste.debian.net/1082107 | 00:54 |
gnarface | hmm. disturbing | 00:54 |
systemdlete | see anything new? | 00:54 |
gnarface | no, nothing new in the Xorg log, but that's not a conclusion yet. did the firmware error disappear from dmesg at least? | 00:55 |
systemdlete | Sorry. No. It is still there. | 00:56 |
gnarface | oh, hmmm | 00:56 |
gnarface | well that's ... werid | 00:56 |
gnarface | on the host or the guest? | 00:56 |
gnarface | i don't see any material change in the xorg log either | 00:57 |
systemdlete | no guests. This is all hardware this time | 00:57 |
gnarface | dpkg -l |grep firmware | 00:57 |
gnarface | ? | 00:57 |
systemdlete | guess what. The package they want is "firmware-and-graphics" (literally), as per: https://joshtronic.com/2017/11/06/fixed-radeon-kernel-modesetting-for-r600-or-later-requires-firmware-amd-graphics | 00:58 |
gnarface | uh, oh not firmware-amd-graphics? | 00:58 |
gnarface | hmmm | 00:58 |
gnarface | because i was wondering if you also need firmware-linux-free and/or firmware-linux-nonfree | 00:59 |
systemdlete | typo, sorry | 00:59 |
systemdlete | I could try those | 00:59 |
gnarface | oh, well i thought i was clear about that already, that you should install firmware-amd-graphics.... i'm sorry if that wasn't clear | 01:00 |
systemdlete | np. Glad we are getting this sorted out. | 01:01 |
systemdlete | later | 01:01 |
systemdlete | gnarface: Thanks, that did it. I have a very pretty display now | 01:33 |
gnarface | cool, you're welcome | 01:33 |
systemdlete | it was really looking ugly before. | 01:33 |
gnarface | i believe you | 01:33 |
systemdlete | now, on to re-create the config I was telling you about before that I have on CentOS and Hyperbola linuxes. | 01:34 |
systemdlete | This will take me some time | 01:34 |
systemdlete | I'll leave this up for now | 01:34 |
systemdlete | virtualbox does not seem to be in the repos. I installed it to my testbox, but that was months ago. I'm keeping notes these days. Sorry, how do I install it? From virtualbox.org? or is there a standard way in devuan? | 01:55 |
golinux | I think it's in contrib | 02:04 |
systemdlete | ah, thank you | 02:04 |
systemdlete | I have contrib enabled, but a search doesn't seem to make it show | 02:05 |
Jjp137 | are you on ascii? if so, it's in ascii-backports in contrib | 02:06 |
Jjp137 | it's not in the main repo | 02:06 |
systemdlete | ok. thanks | 02:06 |
systemdlete | problem with packaging/dependencies: When I try to install virtualbox, it wants to build the various modules it needs. One of the dependencies is linux-headers, but it is bringing in a different version than the running kernel. So when it tries to load the modules, they fail | 03:37 |
systemdlete | (it builds them correctly, but places them in, of course, the wrong /lib/modules directory) | 03:38 |
systemdlete | I think the dependency should be for the current headers, but I am not the packager. Maybe there is some reason it was done this way | 03:38 |
systemdlete | I am running 4.9.0-6, but the headers it installs are for 4.9.0-9 | 03:39 |
systemdlete | I'm going to install 4.9.0-9 kernel packages, then reboot and try the vbox install again | 03:44 |
gnarface | systemdlete: my guess is you probably missed a kernel update is all | 03:58 |
systemdlete | idk. I applied updates after rebooting after installation | 03:58 |
gnarface | the kernel isn't updated automatically unless you install the meta-package | 03:59 |
gnarface | you would have had to request it specifically | 03:59 |
systemdlete | afaik I did not request auto kernel updates, no. | 03:59 |
gnarface | amd64 hardware right? just make sure you have linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64, then they'll both get updated along with everything else | 04:00 |
systemdlete | I also discovered I am already low on space. So I am getting rid of libreoffice. I don't need it on my hosting platform. I have guests for that | 04:00 |
timeless | Hey DocScrutinizer05 | 04:22 |
systemdlete | gnarface (and others, if interested): I have the devuan system up on my hardware and virtualbox is working. | 07:06 |
systemdlete | I cannot get ip forwarding to work. | 07:06 |
systemdlete | I can ping from devuan through my firewall VM appliance, even from inside other VMs. | 07:06 |
systemdlete | But I can't ping from a box on my LAN | 07:06 |
systemdlete | the physical interfaces are exposed ONLY to devuan (the firewall appliance does not see them) | 07:07 |
systemdlete | there is 1 special physical appliance that the firewall VM DOES see, but that devuan has set to address 192.0.2.0 (per official IANA std, for test network purposes) | 07:08 |
systemdlete | This is precisely how it is set up on CentOS 6 where it does work. | 07:08 |
systemdlete | I am running kernel 4.9.0-9-amd64 | 07:09 |
systemdlete | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 1 | 07:10 |
systemdlete | y'know... | 07:14 |
systemdlete | I wonder if iptables packet forwarding also needs enabling... | 07:14 |
systemdlete | bb in a bit | 07:20 |
Wonka | DocScrutinizer05: DualStack, meaning IPv4 and IPv6 | 08:19 |
* systemdlete kicks his feet up, all smiles | 10:23 | |
systemdlete | My problem was chiefly that, although I had enabled ip forwarding, I did not have firewall rules set up | 10:23 |
systemdlete | There were numerous finger checks throughout the exercise, of course, and those took some time to correct | 10:24 |
systemdlete | Now I have more or less the same configuration as I had on my old CentOS 6 partition... and now I am free to move on without it | 10:25 |
systemdlete | The same approach should work on my hyperbola partition. Of course, there are other issues there, but eventually they will likely get sorted out. | 10:25 |
systemdlete | thanks to all who helped. Greatly appreciated, as you could imagine. | 10:27 |
systemdlete | ugh. more problems. | 10:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Wonka: aah DualStack. Well aliexpress has some nasty blacklist based rejection so purposefully redirects me to some pseudo-404 no matter which URL I click. This is however cookie- and IP-related and not s DS problem | 17:20 |
detha | DocScrutinizer05: just to see who uses which blacklist, does https://uk.rs-online.com/web/ work for you? | 17:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | seems to work, yes | 18:18 |
detha | cool, thanks. different blacklist then | 18:27 |
Wonka | DocScrutinizer05: seems they don't want to do business with you then | 20:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Wonka: yes, something was messed up with my cookies and my IP. Since I deleted *all* aliex cookies it works again | 20:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it also worked as long as I used a VPN | 20:34 |
timeless | DocScrutinizer05: heya | 20:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hi timeless | 21:36 |
* timeless is fighting ipv6 and sometimes losing | 21:37 | |
timeless | any experience w/ it? | 21:37 |
* DocScrutinizer05 gave up and tries to steer clear og IPv6 | 21:37 | |
timeless | any suggestions of gurus? | 21:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I understand v4 somewhat. I might learn how v6 works. But I don't feel like learning how v4 and v6 work concurrently | 21:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | netwotk folks. They are incredible. Also ##ubnt | 21:40 |
timeless | `netwotk`? | 21:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | r | 21:40 |
timeless | `##network`? | 21:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well... | 21:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ##networking | 21:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | though the term was meant more generic | 21:41 |
* timeless tries ##ubnt | 21:42 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | in ##ubnt they helped me out of really idiotic trouble a few times | 21:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | not it's a ubiquiti router specific channel! | 21:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | note* | 21:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I don't suggest pestering them with too generic questions unless you got a ubiquiti device ;-) | 21:43 |
timeless | oops | 21:45 |
timeless | it's ok, i think i found my problem | 21:45 |
timeless | this non-working computer is in google compute engine | 21:45 |
timeless | and i'm wondering if 6to4 doesn't work to that | 21:45 |
timeless | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31066205/how-to-allow-protocol-41-6in4-through-the-gce-firewall | 21:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: an excellent preset to ask for confirmation in ##networking | 21:49 |
timeless | nah, at this point i'm confident i've found the problem | 21:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | even then it's worth sharing the solution with others there | 21:50 |
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