libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2019-05-19

systemdletehttps://pastebin.com/AwP0UiLN00:00
gnarfacethese lines are pretty telling: (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory00:02
gnarfacemissing kernel module00:02
systemdletewhat I figured00:02
systemdletebut why wouldn't that be installed with the installation?00:03
systemdleteDo I have a mucked-up install of Ascii?00:03
systemdleteShould I re-install?00:03
gnarfaceit's probably installed but just not being loaded by default00:03
gnarfacefind it and add it to /etc/modules00:04
systemdleteis dri generic? or is it a specific manufacturer?00:04
gnarfacethough, check dmesg... maybe there's cases where you need to add firmware instead00:04
systemdleteoh00:04
gnarfacethe dri interface is generic, but the drivers that make it are vendor specific00:04
systemdletegot it.00:04
systemdleteSo this is some ATI driver?00:05
gnarfaceor, actually that might be an oversimplification - the dri part might be itself generic but relying on a vendor-specific module00:05
gnarfaceyes, some ATI driver00:05
systemdleteSo I want to look for... what did I say... RS780?00:06
gnarfacecheck dmesg first for complaints about missing firmware00:06
gnarfacei don't think this is supposed to be happening > [  1101.370] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering00:07
systemdlete[drm:radeon_pci_probe [radeon]] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-amd-graphics.00:07
gnarfacebingo00:07
systemdleteI see that on hyperbola boot also00:07
systemdletebingo00:07
systemdleteand this wuld be the non-free part00:08
systemdleteor one of them00:08
gnarfaceyea it is in non-free, which is why it is not installed by default for you00:08
systemdleteso enable it in repos and install?00:08
gnarfaceyea00:08
DocScrutinizer05\o/   /msg alis LIST netfilter00:09
gnarfaceso this is how AMD claims they have an open-source driver.  they just cripple it if you don't add the non-free firmware00:09
gnarfacei think that's dirty pool but it's a half step better than NVidia's middle finger00:10
systemdleteclever.  Looks like non-free is already enabled (I did nothing, btw)00:10
DocScrutinizer05slightly late, sorry. anyway xrogaan ^^^00:10
gnarfacesystemdlete: if you install in expert mode, it asks you00:10
gnarfacei'm not sure what the situation is otherwise00:10
systemdletedon't recall how I installed00:11
systemdletegnarface:  Should I be installing in expert mode for this?  Do I need to re-install?00:13
DocScrutinizer05indeed iptables / netfilters is a power monster but completely unmanageable at least for me. A highly intriguing example how you could create a system of almost infinite complexity from only half a dozen simple rules00:13
gnarfacesystemdlete: no no, don't worry about that now.  next time you do an install try it out though, the questions are a lot more verbose, and i suspect you will like it more00:13
systemdleteactually, now that I think of it, you guys advised me to do expert mode the first time I installed to hardware on my testbox00:14
gnarfacesystemdlete: for now just add that firmware package and reboot.  maybe it'll magically fix it, no guarantees some more configuration isn't necessary, but i'm sure it won't work without it.00:14
DocScrutinizer05Wonka: >>aliexpress is on akamai - is akamai not fully DS already?<< what's DS?00:15
systemdleteok, that means rebooting this box,so give me a few minutes.  I'll try to bring up IRC on Devuan00:16
systemdletebbs/bbl who knows00:16
gnarfacegood luck00:16
systemdletethanks00:16
systemdleteI am looking for something like RS780, or just RS600 (like a generic name covering many versions?)00:18
gnarfacelooking for where now?00:21
gnarfacedmesg |grep firmware -i00:21
gnarfaceor just check the Xorg log for lines with (EE)00:21
gnarfaceseveral of them should have disappeared now00:21
systemdletewhen I get devuan rebooted, I call apt install00:22
systemdleteI mean, what is the convention for package names for these?00:22
systemdlete(I've always wondered about package names for hardware... mysterious many times)00:22
gnarfaceit looks like you already have the right driver00:22
* systemdlete is still on hyperbola00:22
gnarfaceoh00:22
systemdleteRs78000:23
gnarfaceno it won't be that specific00:23
gnarfacethe firmware for all of them is in one package00:23
gnarfaceall the xorg packages start with "xserver-xorg-" but by default it should have included them all00:24
systemdleteis this one with "xf86" in the name?00:24
gnarfaceno00:24
gnarfacexserver-xorg-video-r128, xserver-xorg-video-ati, xserver-xorg-video-radeon00:25
systemdleteok, got it. thnx00:25
gnarfaceit's supposed to just load the regular "ati" driver, which that Xorg log showed it doing.  and that "ati" driver is supposed to be smart enough to chain-load r128 or radeon as necessary00:26
gnarfacethough it wasn't always that way00:26
gnarfaceyour card is probably supported by the radeon one, but i'm not sure.  almost nothing actually uses the r128 one00:27
gnarfacemost the cards in the wild are the radeon one these days, only very ancient stuff just uses the base "ati" driver00:28
systemdleteYeah, I'm thinking radeon also.   That's the error message I see here on Hyperbola linux also00:28
systemdleteWill I need to modify any config files before launching X11?00:29
gnarfaceprobably not00:29
gnarfacewe won't know what to change until we see the updated xorg.log anyway00:29
gnarfaceXorg.0.log or whatever00:29
systemdleteok00:29
systemdletelet's hope that it "just works"00:30
gnarfacethat's what is supposed to happen.  they've got it up to about 80% accuracy :)00:30
systemdletebb... thanks again for everyone's help00:30
gnarfaceno problem00:30
systemdletelater00:30
systemdletegnarface:  I had radeon installed, but not ati128.  That was the only thing left to install.  I did, and restarted X (actually, rebooted, a bit overkill), but still border and the same error message on boot00:52
systemdleteThe Xorg log is at 1082107 on the debian pastebin00:53
systemdlete(I forget the url)00:53
gnarfacestand by, i'm looking00:53
systemdletepaste.debian.net/108210700:54
gnarfacehmm. disturbing00:54
systemdletesee anything new?00:54
gnarfaceno, nothing new in the Xorg log, but that's not a conclusion yet.  did the firmware error disappear from dmesg at least?00:55
systemdleteSorry. No.  It is still there.00:56
gnarfaceoh, hmmm00:56
gnarfacewell that's ... werid00:56
gnarfaceon the host or the guest?00:56
gnarfacei don't see any material change in the xorg log either00:57
systemdleteno guests.  This is all hardware this time00:57
gnarfacedpkg -l |grep firmware00:57
gnarface?00:57
systemdleteguess what.  The package they want is "firmware-and-graphics" (literally), as per: https://joshtronic.com/2017/11/06/fixed-radeon-kernel-modesetting-for-r600-or-later-requires-firmware-amd-graphics00:58
gnarfaceuh, oh not firmware-amd-graphics?00:58
gnarfacehmmm00:58
gnarfacebecause i was wondering if you also need firmware-linux-free and/or firmware-linux-nonfree00:59
systemdletetypo, sorry00:59
systemdleteI could try those00:59
gnarfaceoh, well i thought i was clear about that already, that you should install firmware-amd-graphics.... i'm sorry if that wasn't clear01:00
systemdletenp.  Glad we are getting this sorted out.01:01
systemdletelater01:01
systemdletegnarface:  Thanks, that did it.  I have a very pretty display now01:33
gnarfacecool, you're welcome01:33
systemdleteit was really looking ugly before.01:33
gnarfacei believe you01:33
systemdletenow, on to re-create the config I was telling you about before that I have on CentOS and Hyperbola linuxes.01:34
systemdleteThis will take me some time01:34
systemdleteI'll leave this up for now01:34
systemdletevirtualbox does not seem to be in the repos.  I installed it to my testbox, but that was months ago.  I'm keeping notes these days.  Sorry, how do I install it?  From virtualbox.org?  or is there a standard way in devuan?01:55
golinuxI think it's in contrib02:04
systemdleteah, thank you02:04
systemdleteI have contrib enabled, but a search doesn't seem to make it show02:05
Jjp137are you on ascii? if so, it's in ascii-backports in contrib02:06
Jjp137it's not in the main repo02:06
systemdleteok. thanks02:06
systemdleteproblem with packaging/dependencies:  When I try to install virtualbox, it wants to build the various modules it needs.  One of the dependencies is linux-headers, but it is bringing in a different version than the running kernel.  So when it tries to load the modules, they fail03:37
systemdlete(it builds them correctly, but places them in, of course, the wrong /lib/modules directory)03:38
systemdleteI think the dependency should be for the current headers, but I am not the packager.  Maybe there is some reason it was done this way03:38
systemdleteI am running 4.9.0-6, but the headers it installs are for 4.9.0-903:39
systemdleteI'm going to install 4.9.0-9 kernel packages, then reboot and try the vbox install again03:44
gnarfacesystemdlete: my guess is you probably missed a kernel update is all03:58
systemdleteidk.  I applied updates after rebooting after installation03:58
gnarfacethe kernel isn't updated automatically unless you install the meta-package03:59
gnarfaceyou would have had to request it specifically03:59
systemdleteafaik I did not request auto kernel updates, no.03:59
gnarfaceamd64 hardware right?  just make sure you have linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64, then they'll both get updated along with everything else04:00
systemdleteI also discovered I am already low on space.  So I am getting rid of libreoffice.  I don't need it on my hosting platform.  I have guests for that04:00
timelessHey DocScrutinizer0504:22
systemdletegnarface (and others, if interested): I have the devuan system up on my hardware and virtualbox is working.07:06
systemdleteI cannot get ip forwarding to work.07:06
systemdleteI can ping from devuan through my firewall VM appliance, even from inside other VMs.07:06
systemdleteBut I can't ping from a box on my LAN07:06
systemdletethe physical interfaces are exposed ONLY to devuan (the firewall appliance does not see them)07:07
systemdletethere is 1 special physical appliance that the firewall VM DOES see, but that devuan has set to address 192.0.2.0 (per official IANA std, for test network purposes)07:08
systemdleteThis is precisely how it is set up on CentOS 6 where it does work.07:08
systemdleteI am running kernel 4.9.0-9-amd6407:09
systemdlete /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is set to 107:10
systemdletey'know...07:14
systemdleteI wonder if iptables packet forwarding also needs enabling...07:14
systemdletebb in a bit07:20
WonkaDocScrutinizer05: DualStack, meaning IPv4 and IPv608:19
* systemdlete kicks his feet up, all smiles10:23
systemdleteMy problem was chiefly that, although I had enabled ip forwarding, I did not have firewall rules set up10:23
systemdleteThere were numerous finger checks throughout the exercise, of course, and those took some time to correct10:24
systemdleteNow I have more or less the same configuration as I had on my old CentOS 6 partition... and now I am free to move on without it10:25
systemdleteThe same approach should work on my hyperbola partition.  Of course, there are other issues there, but eventually they will likely get sorted out.10:25
systemdletethanks to all who helped.  Greatly appreciated, as you could imagine.10:27
systemdleteugh.  more problems.10:31
DocScrutinizer05Wonka: aah DualStack. Well aliexpress has some nasty blacklist based rejection so purposefully redirects me to some pseudo-404 no matter which URL I click. This is however cookie- and IP-related and not s DS problem17:20
dethaDocScrutinizer05: just to see who uses which blacklist, does https://uk.rs-online.com/web/ work for you?17:38
DocScrutinizer05seems to work, yes18:18
dethacool, thanks. different blacklist then18:27
WonkaDocScrutinizer05: seems they don't want to do business with you then20:19
DocScrutinizer05Wonka: yes, something was messed up with my cookies and my IP. Since I deleted *all* aliex cookies it works again20:33
DocScrutinizer05it also worked as long as I used a VPN20:34
timelessDocScrutinizer05: heya20:57
DocScrutinizer05hi timeless21:36
* timeless is fighting ipv6 and sometimes losing21:37
timelessany experience w/ it?21:37
* DocScrutinizer05 gave up and tries to steer clear og IPv621:37
timelessany suggestions of gurus?21:38
DocScrutinizer05I understand v4 somewhat. I might learn how v6 works. But I don't feel like learning how v4 and v6 work concurrently21:38
DocScrutinizer05netwotk folks. They are incredible. Also ##ubnt21:40
timeless`netwotk`?21:40
DocScrutinizer05r21:40
timeless`##network`?21:40
DocScrutinizer05well...21:40
DocScrutinizer05##networking21:40
DocScrutinizer05though the term was meant more generic21:41
* timeless tries ##ubnt21:42
DocScrutinizer05in ##ubnt they helped me out of really idiotic trouble a few times21:42
DocScrutinizer05not it's a ubiquiti router specific channel!21:43
DocScrutinizer05note*21:43
DocScrutinizer05I don't suggest pestering them with too generic questions unless you got a ubiquiti device ;-)21:43
timelessoops21:45
timelessit's ok, i think i found my problem21:45
timelessthis non-working computer is in google compute engine21:45
timelessand i'm wondering if 6to4 doesn't work to that21:45
timelesshttps://stackoverflow.com/questions/31066205/how-to-allow-protocol-41-6in4-through-the-gce-firewall21:49
DocScrutinizer05timeless: an excellent preset to ask for confirmation in ##networking21:49
timelessnah, at this point i'm confident i've found the problem21:49
DocScrutinizer05even then it's worth sharing the solution with others there21:50

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