libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2019-06-10

eyalrozImpression from Beowulf: Disappointed there is no easily-accessible mixer/volume control in Cinnamon, except for the pulseaudio one - which by default just hangs since pulseaudio is not running. I'm guessing this is a Debian rather than a Devuan issue, but still.16:45
MinceRdevuan's issue is that it's based on debian :>16:47
fsmithredeyalroz, volumeicon-alsa FTW17:12
fsmithredxfce dropped their mixer, too17:12
Walexwhatever he-who-must-not-be-named does it seems misdesigned with much cleverness.17:30
Walexe.g. PulseAudio, Avahi, and that-which-must-not-be-named.17:31
Walexsuch a waste of what is likely a brilliant mind.17:31
furrywolfare you really calling him an evil genius?  :P17:34
Walexfurrywolf: not evil and not a genius; but talented and quite misguided. I doubt he sincerely wants to undermine and corrode UNIX culture :-)17:36
Walexmany many years ago, when I was a beginner, I also felt the attraction of terribly clever designs. it's a phase most people have to get through, but some people get stuck in it.17:37
drawkulai have no problem with systemd... i only have a problem with debian adopting it.18:29
drawkulai have no problem with systemd as much as i have no problem with android, ios or windows. i just dont want to use it.18:29
eyalroz@drawkula: 1. You should have a problem with systemd, since it's a problematic architecture. 2. A lot of Devuan users and supporters share your sentiment.19:53
drawkulaI refuse to have a problem with systemd. it is not even worth to get my hate.20:12

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