| drizzt | dacav_: I have a friend who had difficulties connecting to the console using USB-UART too | 00:51 |
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| drizzt | He gave me the link to the solution (something about the port being used for something else in the default config ?) | 00:52 |
| drizzt | I'll try to find it again | 00:52 |
| drizzt | https://www.framboise314.fr/le-port-serie-du-raspberry-pi-3-pas-simple/ | 00:54 |
| drizzt | dacav_: it's in french, but I think google translate may help you, and anyway it should give you hints about how to get it working | 00:55 |
| omgwtfbbq | hi :) there's no /etc/default/grub with grub-efi-amd64 installed - how do I change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT then? | 04:00 |
| gnarface | maybe you're still missing a grub package? | 04:02 |
| gnarface | there are several | 04:02 |
| gnarface | or maybe it didn't get installed correctly - that is a generated file | 04:03 |
| gnarface | as far as i can tell anyway | 04:03 |
| omgwtfbbq | gnarface: grub-common, grub-efi-amd64, grub-efi-amd64-bin and grub2-common are installed (and this box boots correctly - I'm writing on it now) | 04:04 |
| omgwtfbbq | only thing I have is /etc/grub.d directory and /boot/efi/EFI/devuan/grubx64.efi file | 04:05 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 04:07 |
| gnarface | are grub-pc and grub-pc-bin exclusive with grub-efi*? | 04:08 |
| gnarface | mutually exclusive i mean | 04:08 |
| omgwtfbbq | yes, they are | 04:08 |
| omgwtfbbq | literally the first thing I've tried | 04:09 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 04:09 |
| gnarface | and you checked to make sure your grub packages all have status "ii" in the output of "dpkg -l" right? | 04:09 |
| gnarface | could be a bug | 04:09 |
| omgwtfbbq | yeah, all of those I've listed are ii marked | 04:10 |
| gnarface | what happens if you populate /etc/default/grub? | 04:10 |
| gnarface | does it get obeyed? | 04:11 |
| omgwtfbbq | I haven't tried | 04:11 |
| fsmithred | you can have all the grub-*-bin files installed | 04:13 |
| omgwtfbbq | fsmithred: but should I? | 04:13 |
| omgwtfbbq | or I'm better off manually adding /etc/grub/default file? | 04:13 |
| omgwtfbbq | yolo, I'll add it manually | 04:14 |
| fsmithred | you should only need one | 04:14 |
| fsmithred | I install all for making uefi/bios compatible live isos | 04:14 |
| omgwtfbbq | I never had EFI equipped computer before (well, maybe excluding few Macs which of course ran macOS and not anything else) | 04:15 |
| fsmithred | how did you install this system? | 04:17 |
| fsmithred | oh, he's gone | 04:18 |
| fsmithred | me too. g'night. | 04:18 |
| gnarface | distro mixing maybe | 04:22 |
| gnarface | or trolling? | 04:22 |
| dacav_ | drizzt: Thanks for your help. Yes, I've stumbled into a couple of articles about settings for the shared UART... The Pi3 image is a vanilla image, downloaded from the devuan site. But I'll read up the link you sent me. Thanks :) | 08:44 |
| agris | Hello, How do I generate a backported package? | 09:17 |
| agris | I want to install cgit v1.2.1 but all that exists in stable is 1.1 and apt-get install -t ascii-backports cgit doesn't seem to change anything | 09:18 |
| drawkula | grab debian's deb-src of it and rebuild it on ascii? | 09:38 |
| agris | ok | 09:44 |
| agris | and anybody have any idea why I can't set any ip6tables? | 09:44 |
| agris | what | 09:45 |
| agris | nvm | 09:45 |
| agris | thanks | 09:45 |
| drizzt | agris: you can also try to change your source.list to add unstable, update the latest version, and switch back. | 11:08 |
| drizzt | Or you can download the .deb and install the package using dpkg -i | 11:08 |
| drizzt | pool/DEBIAN/main/c/cgit/cgit_1.2.1+git2.18.0-1_amd64.deb | 11:09 |
| drizzt | agris: and for iptables, the people handling iptables packages seem to have a big personnal problem ... they replaced the content of iptables by nft | 11:12 |
| drizzt | instead of creating a new package which does not break every system | 11:13 |
| agris | what the fuck | 11:13 |
| drizzt | their new solution is not yet fully functionnal, so they had to impose it on everyone | 11:14 |
| drizzt | think about systemd ... | 11:14 |
| drizzt | you hopefully should have /usr/sbin/ip6tables-legacy | 11:14 |
| agris | what is this? gtk3 but for network administrators? | 11:14 |
| drizzt | remove the link /usr/sbin/ip6tables | 11:14 |
| agris | who did this? netfilter or debian? | 11:14 |
| drizzt | and ls -s /usr/sbin/ip6tables-legacy /usr/sbin/ip6tables | 11:14 |
| drizzt | and ln -s /usr/sbin/ip6tables-legacy /usr/sbin/ip6tables | 11:14 |
| drizzt | not ls | 11:15 |
| drizzt | who ? don't know ... don't have time anymore to argue with debian maintainers | 11:15 |
| agris | iptables isn't even stable yet, how can we be switching? | 11:15 |
| agris | ip6tables doesn't handle connection filtering on FF02 addresses 100% correctly yet | 11:16 |
| drizzt | they will always tell users that thezy know nothing, that it's not their fault but another package fault, or such kind of things | 11:16 |
| agris | so is this it? Is debian kicking everything they stood for in the bucket? | 11:16 |
| drizzt | agris: nft is the new framework in the kernel from what I understood, in order to solve many ip/xt/nf tables problems | 11:17 |
| drizzt | but it's not yet a replacement of ip/xt/nf tables as some parts are not working yet | 11:18 |
| drizzt | and it's a new tool, which needs to be tested | 11:18 |
| agris | Ithat's not the debian way | 11:18 |
| drizzt | and the command syntaxe is not compatible with iptables one | 11:18 |
| drizzt | but they say it's simpler (the syntax) ... but it's not the case from my point of view | 11:19 |
| drizzt | it's unreadable | 11:19 |
| drizzt | options do not have dashes anymore, so you get long lines and no clue to what is an option name and what is the option argument | 11:20 |
| agris | i'm all for getting a PF like syntax for Linux but not being the beta tester of an experimental implementation | 11:21 |
| drizzt | and the worst is the fact that being unable to make somthing good, they had to replace a working tool by their new shit to force others to test and use it, breaking all machines using it | 11:22 |
| drizzt | but debian doesn't care anymore about users. | 11:23 |
| drizzt | Bug reported : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=912087 won't be fixed | 11:24 |
| drizzt | systemd creator even writes that they wont fix until somone manages to make an exploit of the bug : https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/4167 | 11:25 |
| drizzt | (one they notice ...) | 11:25 |
| drizzt | that's how they think security works ... | 11:26 |
| drizzt | anyway, gotta fo, have fun :) | 11:26 |
| Evilham | Hum, I've actually used nftables quite successfully since ascii/stretch | 11:34 |
| Evilham | But I was indeed surprised to see that it was being pushed that way for buster | 11:35 |
| drizzt | Evilham: ho, it's far from unusable, but nft websites states that some parts are still missing | 12:39 |
| drizzt | and breaking systems to force them to move to nft is stupid | 12:39 |
| drizzt | many (most ?) people will do the exact opposite | 12:39 |
| Evilham | Yup, it was a bit rushed | 12:40 |
| drizzt | same as systemd ... seems to be the new debian way (or same for all major distributions ?) | 12:46 |
| drizzt | makes me feel it's as good as systemd ... | 12:46 |
| grayrider | why is "nethack" installed by default?? | 19:36 |
| Jjp137 | by any chance, did you select the console productivity task during install? for some reason, nethack-console is a recommended package of task-console-productivity, and iirc recommends are enabled by default | 19:38 |
| Jjp137 | otherwise, I have no idea | 19:38 |
| grayrider | look at the source code for nethack. Disguised as dungeons and dragons. | 19:51 |
| grayrider | I think I did select console productivity now that you mention it. Live and learn. | 19:53 |
| grayrider | Looks like a typical trojan | 19:54 |
| jonadab | NetHack is a game. Not sure why it would be recommended by a productivity package. | 20:03 |
| jonadab | I mean, it's a _good_ game, but I'm not sure how that qualifies as productive. | 20:04 |
| jonadab | Rather the opposite, if anything. You start playing, and five years later you realize you haven't done anything productive ad interim. | 20:05 |
| devuan | Hello, i have problem with xfce4-terminal.It simply does not dispaly the output of w,who and users command.Any idea what is wrong?thanks | 20:13 |
| retak | does it output from other programs like ls? ^^ | 20:50 |
| devuan1 | Hello, i have problem with xfce4-terminal.It simply does not dispaly the output of w,who and users command.Any idea what is wrong?thanks | 21:14 |
| retak | devuan1, what is with commands like ls? ^^ | 21:17 |
| devuan1 | retak: everything is all right with other commands.Just the mentioned three commands does not work in xfce-terminal and mate -terminal.In xterm and uxterm they are working | 21:19 |
| retak | strange. this commands does nothing special else then the others | 21:20 |
| retak | maybe no user is logged in? :D | 21:20 |
| Akuli | seems like 'who' shows a list of xterms that are currently running, but mate-terminals don't show up in the list | 21:21 |
| Akuli | i opened multiple xterms and saw them all in 'who' output | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | who gives no output here (ascii) but w does. | 21:22 |
| devuan1 | retak:When i encountered this behavior i tried to reset both terminals, it worked once, i could get the correct output,but afterwards it just stoped.This is what i get https://pastebin.com/QtTBQq9b | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | sort of... | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | 0 users | 21:23 |
| Akuli | try opening up a bunch of xterms | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | i guess I don't count | 21:23 |
| devuan1 | Akuli: it works in Xterm and Uxterm but xfce-terminal and mate-terminal nothing | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | from the current terminal or from somewhere else? | 21:24 |
| Akuli | devuan1, open 3 or so xterms and uxterms, then while they are open, run 'who' in mate-terminal | 21:24 |
| Akuli | if i don't close or open terminals, i always get the same output in every terminal | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | yeah, mine lists the tree xterms | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | xfce-term is not counted, even if I run 'who' from the xterm | 21:26 |
| devuan1 | Akuli:Yes now i can see the output in xfce-terminal | 21:26 |
| _abc_ | Is the firefox on devuan ascii mainline immune against the exploits mentioned here: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/09/coinbase_pwned/ ?? | 21:26 |
| devuan1 | Akuli: as said just tree xterms no xfce-term | 21:27 |
| Akuli | i think the terminals are starting bash differently | 21:28 |
| Akuli | if i log in from a tty, i see it in 'who' output | 21:28 |
| _abc_ | bash started withouth - is not a login shell and not in who | 21:29 |
| Akuli | x session works without a login shell? | 21:30 |
| _abc_ | x session itself usually logs itself as a "login" | 21:30 |
| devuan1 | As i said at the begining it displayed the output twice but since then it does not show anything | 21:30 |
| _abc_ | terminals have the choice to do that too or not | 21:30 |
| _abc_ | f.ex. now I'm on ascii and w shows no-one home, only X11 session is on, with several xfce4-terminals open | 21:31 |
| _abc_ | This is in fact a failure of the system but a small one | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11707 | 21:32 |
| _abc_ | Also last and lastlog lie in that a lot of people did never log in. | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-11708 | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, ^^^ firefox-esr | 21:32 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: but are they fixed in esr? I'm on the latest esr | 21:32 |
| _abc_ | stretch is ascii no? | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | 60.8 in ascii is fixed | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 21:33 |
| Akuli | $ firefox --version | 21:33 |
| Akuli | Mozilla Firefox 60.8.0 | 21:33 |
| _abc_ | I also have 60.8.0esr | 21:33 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: can I /query you? | 21:33 |
| Akuli | array.pop lol | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | it's in ascii-security | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | and also jessie-security | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | yes, pm please | 21:34 |
| devuan1 | So i guess its a bug and should be reported | 21:38 |
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