TwistedFate | fsmithred: yes | 00:07 |
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TwistedFate | i only have 1 desktop tho | 00:07 |
fsmithred | lol | 00:10 |
onefang | fred``: I have that problem to. Fail2ban fails to ban. It worked fine before I installed ASCII. | 00:34 |
drizzt | hum, did fail2ban move to the new nft syntaxe/interface ? | 00:38 |
drizzt | debain maintainers for iptables replaced iptable by nft without renaming the package | 00:38 |
drizzt | if you still use iptables (iptables-legacy), then maybe failtoban fails to work ? | 00:39 |
onefang | Shorewall still works fine, so I've been manually stuffing the worst IPs into that. | 00:39 |
onefang | Both fail2ban and shorewall depend on iptables. | 00:41 |
onefang | There's no iptables-legacy, there is iptables-nftables-compat. | 00:42 |
onefang | And there is a nftables package as well. | 00:43 |
aslan | i assume that devuan is still at ascii version. how mature is ascii? when will beowulf is available? | 01:57 |
gnarface | you assume correctly | 01:58 |
gnarface | ascii is very mature | 01:58 |
gnarface | beowulf timeline is unknown | 01:58 |
gnarface | (people are already using beowulf successfully but there are known issues) | 01:59 |
aslan | sorry, i just got out of the hospital last week and still adjusting to being home. | 03:14 |
* furrywolf has an aslan jaguar, and wonders if the nick is any relation... | 03:15 | |
aslan | furrywolf: think c.s.lewis | 03:17 |
furrywolf | I never read much fiction... | 03:18 |
aslan | gnarface: beowulf out by end of year? | 03:18 |
furrywolf | (I've never read any of c.s. lewis's works) | 03:19 |
aslan | furrywolf: c.s.lewis, the lion, the witch and the wardrobe. Narnia Series | 03:19 |
aslan | furrywolf: watch the movie. | 03:19 |
aslan | gnarface: how have you been? | 03:20 |
furrywolf | I don't like movies. lol | 03:20 |
aslan | gnarface: long long time no read | 03:20 |
furrywolf | in any case, oh well, nothing to do with my favorite toys. | 03:20 |
aslan | laying in a hospital movies and audiobooks are all I had to keep me sane. | 03:21 |
gnarface | aslan: i haven't heard anything official. last i heard they were still casually polling for an inventory of broken packages | 03:21 |
gnarface | aslan: i don't think the end of the year is impossible, but i don't think the process is that easy to predict because volunteer time fluctuates so wildly | 03:22 |
aslan | ah. okay. I have been out of circulation since last December | 03:22 |
gnarface | several people have reported beowulf works fine for them | 03:22 |
gnarface | i think there are some known breakages with permissions backends and gui login prompt stuff still (the usual suspects) | 03:23 |
aslan | gnarface: is there an installer for beowulf? | 03:23 |
gnarface | aslan: last i heard no, aside from an unofficial build of the mini.iso | 03:24 |
gnarface | aslan: people are mostly just doing a clean ascii netinstall and then upgrading from that | 03:24 |
aslan | gnarface: how would I go about to install beowulf on a test disk? | 03:25 |
aslan | gnarface: ah, i see you answered it. | 03:25 |
gnarface | well you could use debootstrap instead | 03:25 |
gnarface | that is also an option | 03:25 |
aslan | gnarface: is there a new installer for ascii? | 03:26 |
gnarface | yea that has been available | 03:26 |
gnarface | aslan: all under here: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ | 03:28 |
gnarface | ARM stuff in the embedded subdirectory | 03:28 |
gnarface | regular installers in the installer-iso directory | 03:28 |
aslan | i lost two hard drives the day after i was released from the hispotail. ComEd "blinked" the power twice at 23:00 hours. the hard drives were spin down when power was restored and they started to spin up then it "blinked" again. the hard drives just gave up | 03:28 |
gnarface | ouch | 03:29 |
gnarface | power is quite unprofessionally managed here too, so i just started putting everything i care about on battery backup | 03:29 |
gnarface | over a long enough time frame i learned it actually saves money | 03:30 |
aslan | crashed all my machines. the macs and raspberry pi recovered fine. the intel/amd boxes not so well | 03:30 |
aslan | i need to get 6 deep discharge marine batteries for the inverter. | 03:31 |
gnarface | so, this keeps coming up, but someone once told me that there is nothing different about marine batteries except the housing. | 03:32 |
furrywolf | heh, I have 40 golf cart batteries. batteries suck. :) | 03:32 |
aslan | I would like to get a few of the 24volt or 48volt telephone company batteries. | 03:32 |
gnarface | i.e., marine batteries just cost extra because they can survive being on a boat at sea for longer, which is a very harsh environment with high temperature fluctuations. theoretically just regular generic car lead-acid batteries should work just as well for deep cycling as long as you keep them out of the sun | 03:33 |
furrywolf | gnarface: a starting battery has lots of thin plates. they provide lots of current, but wear out quickly if cycled. a marine battery has a medium number of medium thickness plates. they provide moderate current and can be cycled a few times. deep cycle batteries have big thick plates, which makes it so they can't put out much current, but you can cycle them a bunch before the plates crack, dump off all the lead paste, etc. | 03:33 |
aslan | a friend has those but they are large and heavy. not easy for a person in a wheelchair to deal with. | 03:33 |
furrywolf | no. a car battery gets about a dozen deep cycles before you have scrap lead. heh. | 03:34 |
gnarface | that's just something someone told me who claims to have tested themselves in their garage, i haven't tested this theory myself. i'd make sure to have some sort of plastic acid-proof mat or bucket in case of ruptures | 03:34 |
furrywolf | marine batteries still aren't good for repetitive cycling, but they'll handle it better than a car starting battery. for repetitive cycling, you should get a proper deep cycle. | 03:34 |
gnarface | furrywolf: that's interesting information. the person who told me they were the same though did claim to have cracked several open to check | 03:35 |
furrywolf | and he's wrong about the one difference he says... the cases are exactly the same. lol | 03:35 |
furrywolf | same polypropylene cases as everything else | 03:35 |
gnarface | hah | 03:35 |
gnarface | noted | 03:35 |
gnarface | i'll have to see if i can get him to give me some specific brand names he tried this comparison with | 03:36 |
furrywolf | it's possible that some brands are putting shitty starting batteries in cases with marine stickers stuck to them... would not surprise me one bit. but a proper marine battery is halfway between a starting battery and a deepcycle battery. | 03:38 |
aslan | eries | 03:38 |
aslan | furrywolf: you need some tesla batteries | 03:38 |
furrywolf | marine batteries are combination starting/cycling batteries... and not really good at either one. all proper setups use starting batteries for the engine and deep cycle batteries for the house loads. | 03:38 |
aslan | s | 03:40 |
furrywolf | only place I use marine batteries is my subaru, because it needs to both start the engine, and be able to run my inverter and such without damage. otherwise I use seperate starting/house banks for everything. | 03:40 |
furrywolf | not much room to put a row of L16s in the subaru. :) | 03:40 |
aslan | well i have to go, it is morphine time. | 03:41 |
aslan | bye for now | 03:41 |
furrywolf | cyas | 03:41 |
nemo | furrywolf: huh. interesting. I assumed marine batteries were mostly about corrosion resistance and avoiding shorts due to salt air | 16:04 |
furrywolf | no. other than including studs as well as sae posts, their construction is identical. | 16:48 |
furrywolf | (external construction) | 16:48 |
nemo | furrywolf: since you know something about batteries clearly | 16:52 |
nemo | someone I know bought a cabin, out in middle of nowhere so he put in solar panels | 16:52 |
nemo | furrywolf: he was hoping to improve the usefulness of them with something like musk's "solar wall" but I guess home made | 16:52 |
nemo | furrywolf: trick is, he's not there very often, the cabin is in middle of canadian wilderness so temperatures in winter would be often far below freezing | 16:53 |
nemo | furrywolf: was wondering what the tricks were for ensuring batteries continue to charge in a situation like that. large temperature swings, often below 0°C | 16:53 |
nemo | I'm guessing you can't just insulate without risking overheating in discharging | 16:54 |
djph | nemo: what battery chemistry? | 17:32 |
furrywolf | insulation combined with a vent fan | 17:33 |
furrywolf | make sure you have enough solar to keep them fully charged; discharged batteries freeze at a much higher temperature than charged batteries. | 17:34 |
furrywolf | many charge controllers have an option to switch on a vent fan during charging to vent hydrogen. heating during discharging is pretty much a non-issue. if discharging is making your batteries hot, you have a severely undersized battery bank. | 17:35 |
Evilham | :-D can this move tpmo the OT channel? | 17:35 |
Evilham | #debianfork IIRC | 17:35 |
Evilham | Itll make it easier for those who catch up with the channel history | 17:36 |
AlexLikeRock | good morning | 19:53 |
AlexLikeRock | i have duplicate signals at KDE-Network manager | 19:55 |
retak_ | dont! | 20:44 |
drawkula | ? | 20:56 |
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