| klaus | hmm trying to install kernel 5.3 gives an error, it says: linux-image-unsigned-5.3xxx-generic depends on linux-base >= 4.5 however version of linux-base on system is 4.5 | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| klaus | i'm trying to install the 5.3rc5 from mainline kernel | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | what versions of linux-base are available? | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | normally, you just tell apt to install linux-base from the same repo as the kernel you're installing, and it's happy | 00:04 |
| klaus | dpkg -l |grep linux-base says just that: "4.5" | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | you in beowulf or ascii? | 00:04 |
| klaus | ascii | 00:05 |
| klaus | i haven't added that ppa, i did like i usualy do on ubuntu, i download the 4 deb i need and i do dpkg -i *.deb | 00:05 |
| fsmithred | see if the same repo has linux-base | 00:06 |
| klaus | (linux-image, linux-header-all, linux-header-generic , linux-modules) | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | did you check debian experimental to see what kernel is there? | 00:08 |
| klaus | https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.3-rc5/ | 00:08 |
| klaus | i get them from there | 00:08 |
| klaus | fsmithred: no, how do i do that ? | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | you can search at packages.debian.org | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | but I tried and got nothing | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | however, 5.2 is in sid/ceres | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | linux-image-5.2.0-2-amd64 in ceres | 00:11 |
| klaus | also about the method you pasted earlier for the broadcom-sta drivers, apparently it won't work with more recent kernel, | 00:11 |
| klaus | i did find this though: https://github.com/antoineco/broadcom-wl | 00:11 |
| klaus | it is patched for more recent kernels | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | I think there were a couple of methods mentioned in that email | 00:11 |
| klaus | they all more or less relied on b43-cutter thing | 00:12 |
| klaus | all | 00:12 |
| klaus | err | 00:12 |
| klaus | there's an 'all' too much now ;) | 00:12 |
| fsmithred | I thought it was possible to get the driver and copy it into /lib/firmware/b43/ | 00:12 |
| fsmithred | once you figured out which one was right for your hardware | 00:13 |
| klaus | i did try that without success unfortunately, but | 00:13 |
| klaus | thanks for the help, the email pas te and all | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | anyway, to answer your other comment about making an iso... | 00:13 |
| klaus | *paste | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | you could boot the desktop live on a computer that does have network, install the driver you need, create a live-iso with refractasnapshot, and use that to install on your system | 00:14 |
| fsmithred | you'd need a second usb or some other storage space to make the iso | 00:14 |
| klaus | the margin for error is large, and the necessary steps too, but why not.. all i'm saying is maybe having a page on devuan detailing the action needed to get support for non-free hardware would be nice | 00:17 |
| klaus | either this solution you suggest or another, but something explained so users could follow that procedure | 00:18 |
| klaus | idealy something that package all the non-free in one big batch seemed to me a fool proof way of doing that | 00:19 |
| klaus | instead of trying to explain all steps for each different non-free stuffs | 00:20 |
| klaus | packaging it all, have user plug that into the installer and off they go .. | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | we already do that with the ones we can do | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | but we can't distribute that one | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | as I said before, the broadcom firmware packages just download the driver. It's not included in the package like it is for other firmwares. | 00:25 |
| fsmithred | for licensing reasons | 00:25 |
| klaus | you must have missed the point where i was saying: release just a script | 00:27 |
| klaus | so you don't have to pay for nothing | 00:27 |
| fsmithred | there's nothing to pay | 00:27 |
| klaus | i never said package the non free stuffs | 00:27 |
| klaus | you were the one speaking of fees earlier | 00:28 |
| fsmithred | non-free refers to the freedom to see the source code | 00:28 |
| plasma41 | I've never understood the logic of companies restricting redistribution of software they release gratis. | 00:28 |
| fsmithred | yeah, the license agreement says whoever distributes the driver gets to pay for broadcom's lawyers if broadcom gets sued | 00:28 |
| klaus | whatever the reason, i was just arguing, there's way to support non-free without packaging it | 00:29 |
| klaus | namely: from a script that grab the stuff from others and make a iso of it. it's all from the user side. | 00:29 |
| klaus | and when i say "make an iso" i'm not speaking of actualy build a full system iso | 00:30 |
| klaus | just a iso that contain the nonfree stuff, that can be given to eat to the installer from external drive | 00:30 |
| fsmithred | the installer already has the ability to take a driver from a usb stick | 00:31 |
| klaus | yes and like you where saying in your email paste, it's really clunky and cumbersome | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | but I guess it's not so easy to use. I've never tried it. | 00:31 |
| klaus | it need a fat32 filesystem and specific directory structure apparently | 00:32 |
| rrq | "it"? | 00:33 |
| klaus | the installer | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | we're talking about supplying broadcom driver on a usb stick for the installer to use | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | specifically, the broadcom driver that requires you to have an internet connection to get the driver that makes your internet work | 00:34 |
| klaus | it accept loading stuffs from and external drive, but the drive need to be fat32, and files placed in a directory and all other whims and shortcomings from the installer | 00:34 |
| klaus | by the way i loved how it looked, it's dialog based right? | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | debian-installer? | 00:35 |
| klaus | yes | 00:35 |
| klaus | i thought it was home made | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | I think so. I know it uses ncurses | 00:35 |
| rrq | so give it a loop-back fat32 image to play with, then (?) | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | lol | 00:35 |
| klaus | :) | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | no, refractainstaller is the home made one | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | well, you still need to transport the file on some physical medium | 00:36 |
| klaus | my other laptop won't be so tricky its hardware is better supported and free | 00:36 |
| klaus | it's just i wanted to try devuan a bit before installing it on my main laptop | 00:37 |
| klaus | so far it's nice | 00:37 |
| fsmithred | oh, there might be a way to do it using both laptops | 00:37 |
| klaus | like how? | 00:37 |
| fsmithred | oh, no. You'd need ethernet ports to connect the two laptops with what I'm thinking | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | if you have a sata-usb connector, you could pull the hard drive and plug it into the working computer | 00:39 |
| klaus | maybe the android tethering would work from netinstall ? | 00:39 |
| fsmithred | and then mount it and chroot in to install the driver | 00:39 |
| klaus | if yes then that the simpliest | 00:39 |
| klaus | what you said coyld work and would have been more simple, i hadn't tought about it | 00:41 |
| klaus | thought | 00:41 |
| klaus | anyway, apparently these ubuntu kernels from ppa mainline can't be used | 00:42 |
| klaus | i tried another one and it failed too | 00:42 |
| klaus | on the same error | 00:43 |
| klaus | i need to look for a new source of fresh kernels | 00:43 |
| rrq | ah? you need a new/special kernel as well as a networing driver? | 00:47 |
| rrq | k | 00:47 |
| fsmithred | 4.19 in ascii-backports | 00:47 |
| fsmithred | the 5.2 in ceres might work | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | you can download debs from packages.debian.org | 00:48 |
| klaus | rrq: i don't need a special kernel, i just would like to use a newer one, something froom the 5.x | 00:48 |
| klaus | fsmithred: i look | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | search in unstable release | 00:49 |
| klaus | thanks for the link.. i realize i'm more used to ubuntu than debian | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | yeah, there are some differences | 00:49 |
| klaus | the file listing is a bit weird on packages.debian.org | 00:52 |
| klaus | i'd prefer something like a plain html index | 00:52 |
| klaus | direct file listing | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | go to the package page and at the bottom are links to the packages | 00:53 |
| klaus | i'm looking at: packages.debian.org/unstable/kernel/ | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | ? | 00:53 |
| klaus | in there i see there is 5.2 | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | linux-image | 00:53 |
| klaus | is that correct? | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-amd64 | 00:54 |
| klaus | thanks for the linux | 00:54 |
| klaus | i mean | 00:54 |
| klaus | link ;) | 00:54 |
| fsmithred | you could add a ceres line to sources.list, update, install linux-image-5-whatever and linux-base | 00:55 |
| fsmithred | and then get rid of that line | 00:55 |
| klaus | that would be good | 00:55 |
| klaus | what would the line look like ? | 00:55 |
| fsmithred | safer if you know how to pin it to a low priority, so you don't accidentally get stuff from ceres | 00:55 |
| rrq | (don't forget the pinning!!) | 00:55 |
| fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main | 00:55 |
| klaus | rrq: well, i have never done that | 00:55 |
| klaus | pinning | 00:56 |
| fsmithred | hang on and I'll give you an example | 00:56 |
| klaus | (ty) | 00:56 |
| fsmithred | put the following in a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | Package: * | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | Pin: release n=ceres | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | Pin-Priority: 50 | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | name it what you want | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | then when you install the packages... | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | apt-get -t ceres install blah... | 00:57 |
| klaus | thank's great.. i test | 00:59 |
| klaus | *tjat's | 00:59 |
| klaus | that's | 00:59 |
| fsmithred | lol | 00:59 |
| fsmithred | I actually read it the way you meant it. | 00:59 |
| klaus | worked well | 01:10 |
| klaus | i make a note of all that | 01:11 |
| fsmithred | cool | 01:13 |
| fsmithred | it's generally safe to selectively add packages from unstable/sid/ceres into testing | 01:14 |
| fsmithred | but right now, our testing is debian's stable, so ceres and beowulf will diverge over time | 01:14 |
| klaus | what the difference between ceres and beowulf ? these are both devuan unstable distro for testing ? | 01:16 |
| klaus | i mean, the putting together the future release ? | 01:16 |
| klaus | but then why 2 (ceres and beowulf) | 01:17 |
| drawkula | https://www.debian.org/releases/ | 01:17 |
| klaus | that link contain neither word ceres nor beofulf | 01:20 |
| klaus | and beowulf also :) | 01:20 |
| drawkula | deVUan uses the stable/testing/unstable scheme like deBIan does | 01:20 |
| klaus | ah i see | 01:20 |
| drawkula | so apart from different release names that text mostly applies | 01:20 |
| gnarface | except deVUan falls behind a bit after deBIan releases, which is the current state of things | 01:21 |
| klaus | ok so i'll read that link you pasted to learn about the differences between testing and unstable | 01:21 |
| klaus | thanks | 01:21 |
| * drawkula had a looooong day and >6½hrs with an awk beginner... normally I'm a bit more verbose than now | 01:22 | |
| klaus | ok | 01:22 |
| klaus | i mean i've read the differences | 01:23 |
| klaus | about you last sentence, no worries i understand and also thanks for the link | 01:24 |
| klaus | well.. it's a great day today.. | 01:25 |
| klaus | my home is finally systemd free | 01:26 |
| klaus | ;) | 01:26 |
| onefang | Have you checked your toaster, microwave oven, and washing machines? | 01:26 |
| klaus | i mean, he got the benefit of the doubt for years.. now it's enough with his sh... | 01:27 |
| klaus | one yea.. better double check we can never be too prudent | 01:27 |
| klaus | -one | 01:27 |
| klaus | that dude he can sneak crappy services just in about any corner | 01:29 |
| drawkula | apropos... I stumbled today over https://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix860-en.html | 01:34 |
| drawkula | systemd-free again | 01:35 |
| debdog | \o/ | 01:35 |
| debdog | totally fogot about that tihngy | 01:35 |
| debdog | after grml, which went systemd | 01:36 |
| debdog | think even systemrescuecd went systemd | 01:36 |
| klaus | knoppix used to be popular a few years ago, maybe a decade | 01:37 |
| klaus | then it faded a bit, did he take a long pause and slipped out of the radar? | 01:37 |
| gnarface | i think all the major distros just copied what he was doing so it wasn't needed anymore | 01:39 |
| klaus | i see.. | 01:41 |
| klaus | distrowatch lists: knoppix-autoconfig instead of systemd | 01:42 |
| klaus | that's about the only clue i could get that it wasn't using it anymore, there's not a single mention of it on his site as far as i could tell | 01:42 |
| fsmithred | yeah, he got rid of systemd. There's discussion about it on forum. | 01:43 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3012 | 01:45 |
| gnarface | nice | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | the video was interesting | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | basically, what it came down to is that he didn't need that complexity for a live DVD | 01:46 |
| klaus | he's just being polite ;) | 01:47 |
| avbox | I wanted to play a 4k video on ryzen 5 2400g with amdgpu card. Hardware acceleration with vaapi does not work. How to solve it? | 09:43 |
| stovepipe | avbox: need kernel 4.17 or higher | 09:44 |
| gnarface | and the non-free firmware, probably | 09:44 |
| avbox | I have kernel 5.2.9 | 09:44 |
| stovepipe | what distro? | 09:44 |
| avbox | devuan ascii with backports | 09:44 |
| stovepipe | it "just works" on distros ive tried with 4.17 or higher | 09:45 |
| avbox | non-free firmware is included | 09:45 |
| onefang | Have you tried adding the deb-multimedia repos? | 09:46 |
| gnarface | no, don't tell him to do that | 09:46 |
| gnarface | that shouldn't be necessary | 09:46 |
| stovepipe | i knew that was the cutoff and i verified it with various livecd's | 09:46 |
| gnarface | but he is missing something, or else the firmware and kernel aren't both from backports... | 09:46 |
| avbox | I made kernel with kernel-package from devuan | 09:48 |
| avbox | vainfo is telling me XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set... | 09:49 |
| r3boot | export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/$(id -u) vainfo | 09:51 |
| r3boot | err, scrap that 'export ' ... need coffee | 09:52 |
| Unit193 | I have [ -z "$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR" ] && [ "$EUID" -gt 0 ] && [ -d /run/user/$EUID ] && export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/$EUID in my profile.d. | 09:53 |
| avbox | I set variable, now vainfo tells va_getDriverName() returns -1, I did read that there must be a gallium driver for 2400g but I don't find it in dri folder | 09:56 |
| r3boot | https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/6la6n5/trying_to_understand_drm_dri_mesa_radeon_gallium/ | 09:58 |
| avbox | Can I install minimal live cd just on ryzen 2400g to check my vaapi problem? | 10:32 |
| avbox40 | I can't install netinst iso on amd 2400g, is this normal? | 10:46 |
| avbox40 | First screen comes, but then graphic is cropped | 10:46 |
| debdog | for the live iso, I think what you are looking for is refractainstaller | 10:47 |
| avbox40 | With the live is I get error -2, I wnat to track down the vaapi problem with a fresh install | 10:49 |
| buZz | avbox40: use the text install | 10:55 |
| buZz | on netinst | 10:55 |
| buZz | i assume gfx are corrupt because of unsupported gpu | 10:55 |
| avbox | Ok, but how can I install devuan on an amd ryzen 2400g? | 10:56 |
| buZz | what do you mean how | 10:56 |
| r3boot | 10:56 < buZz> avbox40: use the text install | 10:56 |
| buZz | why would it be any different/ | 10:56 |
| stovepipe | it will use fbdev | 10:57 |
| avbox | text install does not work, I tried | 10:57 |
| buZz | why not? | 10:57 |
| stovepipe | i installed devuan fine on my 240G | 10:57 |
| stovepipe | 2400G | 10:57 |
| buZz | avbox40: do you get any error? | 10:57 |
| buZz | eh | 10:57 |
| buZz | -40 ? | 10:57 |
| stovepipe | its just using fbdev because its not kernel 4.17 or higher | 10:57 |
| avbox | screen is cropped, I checked with alpine linux, no problem there | 10:57 |
| buZz | avbox: what part of the install fails ? | 10:58 |
| buZz | i dont care about the graphics mode screen , use the textmode | 10:58 |
| r3boot | mja, if fbdev switches to some weird mode, that might not work.. Maybe try vga=normal | 10:58 |
| buZz | mm | 10:58 |
| avbox | I don't need graphic mode, text is enough, but it does not work | 10:58 |
| buZz | quite sure the textmode doesnt use fbdev, but ok | 10:58 |
| buZz | if you can set vga=normal kernel commandline, that would be fine | 10:59 |
| buZz | as stovepipe mentions, there's nothing preventing devuan (debian) installer to work on that cpu | 10:59 |
| stovepipe | i had no problems | 11:02 |
| avbox | vga=normal did it, thank you | 11:03 |
| amarsh04 | is there any problem with auto.mirror.devuan.org not getting unstable updates? | 11:16 |
| gnarface | try deb.devuan.org? | 11:16 |
| gnarface | (i don't know, but you could try deb.devuan.org or pkgmaster.devuan.org i think) | 11:17 |
| avbox | So I installed a fresh devuan, vainfo still reports errors. Is this due to kernel 4.9? To get kernel 4.17 is it precompiled or do I have to di it myself? | 11:24 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure you aren't just missing some mesa packages.... | 11:27 |
| rrq | amarsh04: thanks. seems amprolla held up since last week... | 11:28 |
| Shentino | how often do devuan packages update? | 11:32 |
| gnarface | as often as they do in debian, at least | 11:33 |
| gnarface | since most of them are the same packages | 11:33 |
| avbox | I was told, that under kernel 4.17 it does not work. I checked mesa packages, seems to be ok. I rather assume that the firmware of devuan is too old, but it is also said the mese 18 should be here. On a fresh install, is it mesa 13? | 11:35 |
| gnarface | avbox: yes, you will probably have to update the firmware, too | 11:44 |
| gnarface | you might need mesa from backports, i don't knkow | 11:44 |
| gnarface | know* | 11:44 |
| gnarface | that is easy for you to check with apt-cache search though | 11:45 |
| avbox | gnarface: Yes, backports is needed, otherwise it is v13 | 11:45 |
| amarsh04 | gnarface deb.devuan.org worked | 12:04 |
| avbox40 | So I reinstalled all the mesa stuff, got kernel 5.2.9, but same error. It looks like drm files are too old. Can I copy newer one over it? | 12:38 |
| amarsh04 | avbox40 it might be worth asking in #radeon as well | 14:36 |
| aslan | hello, where will i find devuan for the raspberry pi? | 15:31 |
| aslan | I have found amd64 and i386 | 15:32 |
| aslan | anyone here? | 15:33 |
| James1138 | https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLphC8tmzK74vugjD-BbSoiP0Xb2IcLk71 | 15:33 |
| aslan | James1138: ??? | 15:33 |
| James1138 | Video about Devuan on Pi | 15:33 |
| aslan | James1138: ah, okay | 15:34 |
| James1138 | Sorry Aslan... I had to jog my memory on where I seen that and remembered the YouTube video. | 15:36 |
| aslan | who is the devuan guru for raspberry pi | 15:37 |
| James1138 | Not me... raspberry rookie. <grin> | 15:37 |
| aslan | I have attempted to install raspbian/debian buster on several different model of Raspberry Pi and every pi crawlled. | 15:38 |
| aslan | the extent that systemd has infiltrated debian is very sad to see. | 15:39 |
| g0zzy | Why, out of interest, would vlc-data vlc-l10n be kept back? | 15:39 |
| aslan | g0zzy: that one i have never figured out | 15:39 |
| James1138 | I just found this - https://github.com/navyscourge/Raspberry-Pi-3-and-Devuan | 15:40 |
| errandir1 | aslan: You'll probably find more raspberry pi experts on #devuan-arm | 15:40 |
| James1138 | Aslan, there is also the official Devuan forum. It has stuff about the Pi - https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2228 | 15:41 |
| aslan | okay thank you. | 15:48 |
| James1138 | Hope it helps | 15:49 |
| avbox | Still looking solution to get vega graphic card running with mesa. vainfo reports error | 16:44 |
| avbox | So far I did find out, that if I set LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=radeonsi on an ssh session, it works, but it does not work inside terminal (under X server) | 16:45 |
| avbox | vainfo even works on a terminal (without x server), but as soon x server is starting it does complain no xvideo support found | 17:00 |
| amarsh04 | avbox have you asked in #radeon also? | 17:03 |
| avbox | No, I can do it, but point is it works with knoppix and siduction perfect | 17:04 |
| James1138 | As for the Vega graphics card - I suggest first update whatever kernel that you are using now. https://forum.level1techs.com/t/how-does-one-get-a-rx-vega-card-working-on-linux/123336/4 | 18:11 |
| James1138 | Radeon™ RX Vega Series Graphics - https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-prorad-lin-18-20 | 18:29 |
| James1138 | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/487571/debian-and-my-new-amd-ryzen-2700u-vega-10-arent-friendly | 18:30 |
| xrogaan | You almost never want to not update the kernel | 20:55 |
| James1138 | Newer kernels general mean bugs fixes as well as more hardware support. | 21:00 |
| _abc_ | Hi. Has anyone here put devuan on a chromebook? Liberating it? | 23:12 |
| _abc_ | Just read this: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/22/buying_a_chromebook_dont_forget_to_check_when_it_expires/ | 23:13 |
| _abc_ | +I just | 23:13 |
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