libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2019-08-27

Centurion_Dandrawkula: isn't sawfish proprietary??04:35
drawkulahttps://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/s/sawfish/sawfish_1.11.90-1.1_copyright04:43
agrisHas anyone here used SELinux in enforcing mode in Devuan/Debian06:04
agrisIs there better support for SE or AA in Deb06:05
agrisI know that RedHat's in the SE camp and Ubuntu is in the AA camp06:05
agrisI've tried AA in Devuan, and It definitely needs some work done to it06:05
agrisand Gentoo is in the SE camp as well06:05
golinuxIn all my years here, I don't remember discussions about either06:07
agrishmm06:07
agrisI mean technically both are "supported" in Debian and Gentoo but at least in gentoo SELinux is a first class citizen while AppArmor is second class06:08
EHeMI fear this is an illegal question, but is there any speculation as to releasing Beowulf?06:15
gnarfaceno news06:18
agrissome packages are not done yet06:29
agrisbte06:30
agrisbtw06:30
agristhe amd64 build machine has been stuck on reading the package database for the whole day now06:30
EHeMI figured, kind of hoped there might be guesses as to timeframe (order of magnitude ideally, month? months? year? years?).06:31
agrishttps://ci.devuan.org/job/mariadb-10.3-binaries/architecture=amd64,label=amd64/1/console06:31
agrisEHeM, no timeframe06:31
agrisif there's software you need I''d reccomend building a backport06:32
EHeMThe number I would need to rebuild would be kind of large.  As such I hope to be able to wait.06:39
HurgotronI'm having issues with unresponsive xterms every now and then. Never had the before Devuan... does anyone have similar experiences?14:18
debdogHurgotron: wild guess: ctrl-q15:20
debdog(which is required if you accidentally hit ctrl-s)15:23
Hurgotrondebdog: not really. blank window, cursor disappears if moved over window, even clikcing the window shut does not (immediately) work15:24
Hurgotronlooks crashed to me.15:24
debdoghuh, never saw that before15:24
Hurgotronme neither, but since I had that a few times by now, it seems t be more than a glitch.15:25
debdogwhat does *top say about that process when it happens? could even be the grafics driver15:26
Hurgotronprocess is gone now, but no unusual load, no errors in dmesg15:27
errandir1Cold be bash completion going out of control15:37
HurgotronBlank windows and mouse cursor diappearing? sounds unlikely.15:39
r3bootTry to start one of the failing terms from within a working term, and catch the error15:39
r3bootAlternatively (if that's still a thing with devuan), check ~/.xsession-errors15:40
Hurgotronah didn't think of .xsession-errors yet, right.  Unfortunately I can't reproduce the issue, seems to be a random think,. So far I thought it was a timing issue from too much output over ssh, but last time the xterm got stuck it was just a CTRL-D to close it.15:44
Hurgotron*thing15:44
debdoghmm, if ctrl-d works, xterm is not frozen entiirely. is maybe nfs involved?15:50
HurgotronI mean, it got unresponsive after ctrl-d. Local shell, no nfs.15:52
debdogahh15:52
nemoHurgotron: I had a problem a long time ago w/ vanishing cursors16:00
nemoHurgotron: was a buggy AMD graphics driver + compiz16:01
nemofglrx I believe16:01
nemoHurgotron: you using compositing?16:01
Hurgotronno compositing... Nvidia card16:02
Hurgotronand the cursor just disappears (temporarily) when positioned over the unresponive xterm.16:02
nemoHurgotron: using X11 I assume?16:04
HurgotronYes16:04
nemoI mean without compositing kinda must be ☺16:04
nemoHurgotron: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/1387219  vaguely similar bug. dunno16:17
nemoHurgotron: DDG'd for the heck of it16:18
Hurgotronwell, xterm doesn't really have a lot to do with gtk...16:21
HurgotronI'll try to come up with a way of creating and quitting lots of xterms to see if some of them get stuck, to I hopefully will have a way or reproducing the issue eventually.16:22
rwpxterm is just hosting the shell (bash there?) and so if control-d exited bash then bash was still responsive.16:43
nemoHurgotron: well. the last comment seemed possibly relevant which was why I linked it16:51
nemoHurgotron: but yeah. no idea really16:51
nemoit used to happen to me in gnome terminal and firefox and libreoffice when I had my graphics card issues16:51
amdgoonWhen starting irssi my config file has a few linux channels that are autojoined.  eg. debian, debian-next,gentoo,manjaro...  The manjaro channel always bounces me to manjaro-unregistered, saying I need to register my nick with freenode.  I believe I have done this and am confused as to how to verify this.17:52
amdgoonCan someone assist me?17:52
amdgoondrat, sorry wrong channel...17:52
furrywolfyou need to set your irc client to identify to nickserv and wait for a reply before joining any channels, or identify at connect with sasl18:04
amdgoonthanks furrywolf, went the sasl route19:03
amdgoonthe wait was likely too short at 2 seconds, advice from #freenode said use sasl19:04
buZzis there still that policykit-1 issue on dist-upgrading ascii to beowulf?20:22
fsmithredbuZz, I don't think so. Not sure which issue you mean, but I did a couple upgrades a few days ago, and they went smoothly.20:25
buZzsounds good20:33
* buZz xkill's webbrowser and goes to try20:33
fsmithredwatch out for task-<desktop>-desktop packages20:33
buZznot sure if i have any20:33
fsmithreddid you install a desktop through tasksel?20:33
fsmithredthrough the installer?20:34
buZztask-console-productivity task-english task-ssh-server20:34
buZznope :P20:34
fsmithredthose should be ok20:34
fsmithredoh yeah, when it hangs on boot for ssh server, the fix is to install haveged20:34
buZzi'll do that ahead then ;)20:35
fsmithredother way is to press some keys to generate entropy20:35
fsmithredI always press them randomly.20:35
buZzah hehe, invalid ; deb http://nl.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main non-free contrib20:35
fsmithred;020:35
buZz^_^20:36
fsmithredyeah, I don't think we have beowulf-backports yet20:36
buZz2420 upgraded, 695 newly installed, 106 to remove and 15 not upgraded.20:36
fsmithrednor beowulf-updates20:36
buZzexciting20:36
fsmithredlotta packages there20:36
b3bgdHello. Do you know if registering to the Devuan git repo (git.devuan.org) actually sends the confirmation email? I tried 3 or 4 times in the last 24 hours, but got nothing. If yes, from what email address should I receive it?20:45
golinuxb3bgd: pm20:56
golinuxb3bgd: ^^^20:59
b3bgdThank you golinux :)21:11
buZzlol still downloading23:37
buZz:P23:37
buZzflightgear-data-base23:38
buZzyeahhh.. could have uninstalled that ^_^23:38

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