ibanja | Can docker be installed in Devuan? | 00:21 |
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gnarface | i've never done it but i've heard it can be done | 00:22 |
ibanja | I couldn't get the service to run, so I uninstalled, and now I have a partially install docker error... dpkg: error processing package docker-ce (--remove) | 00:23 |
ibanja | this happened twice now. I'm thinking it | 00:23 |
gnarface | add --purge | 00:23 |
ibanja | is to do with the init | 00:23 |
ibanja | I did a purge. | 00:24 |
gnarface | apt-get --purge remove [package name] | 00:26 |
gnarface | that doesn't clear it? | 00:26 |
ibanja | I can fix the problem, but was wondering if anyone else had issues. I've been unsuccessful on two computers. | 00:26 |
ibanja | No, it doesn't | 00:26 |
gnarface | hang around, someone has to have seen the same error... | 00:27 |
gnarface | try it from fully installed? | 00:27 |
ibanja | I will try to install again | 00:27 |
ibanja | then retry | 00:28 |
gnarface | do you know what it leaves behind? | 00:29 |
gnarface | or what it is choking on exactly? | 00:29 |
ibanja | docker-ce-cli and containerd.io are both dependencies that it doesn't want to install. | 00:32 |
ibanja | now it won't reinstall. | 00:32 |
gnarface | ibanja: try adding the packages all to the same command-line | 00:33 |
ibanja | gnarface: got it... apt-get -f install, which didn't work before fixed the issue. | 00:34 |
ibanja | not it uninstalled... | 00:34 |
ibanja | not should have been "now" ... now it is uninstalled. | 00:36 |
ibanja | this is the second time this has happened on two different machines... I'm curious to see if anyone here has any pointers. | 00:36 |
gnarface | i think if you put them all on the same command-line in the initial remove command it usually works | 00:40 |
gnarface | but like i said, never tried tocker | 00:40 |
gnarface | *docker | 00:40 |
gnarface | it is probably a bug in the package | 00:40 |
ibanja | I have a feeling it's a systemd thing.... The docker repo is designed with regular debian in mind. | 00:46 |
ibanja | the docker repo, that is. | 00:46 |
gnarface | it could be | 00:54 |
gnarface | maybe it is permissions related somehow... | 00:54 |
golinux | There are docker images at git.devuan.org | 01:03 |
golinux | ibanja: You might want to check that out. | 01:04 |
kiwi_8 | devuan is great. | 01:38 |
golinux | We made debian great again! | 01:40 |
djph | golinux: well ... | 01:42 |
golinux | djph: Sorry . . . just couldn't resist | 01:43 |
djph | golinux: more the "debian is still crap, but at least there's a good alternative" | 01:43 |
kiwi_8 | yes | 01:45 |
kiwi_8 | I wanted to express thank you for it, and the nice help I got from gnarface and fsmithred for helping installation issues. | 01:49 |
gnarface | you're welcome kiwi_8 | 01:49 |
kiwi_8 | How could i be that mislead? | 01:50 |
kiwi_8 | ... all the years . | 01:51 |
kiwi_8 | /misled | 01:52 |
ahaz | why is debian crap | 13:02 |
ahaz | besides systemd? | 13:02 |
djph | that's about the whole of it (and the politics) | 13:03 |
systemdlete2 | Is there a complete set of the iio libraries and tools? I see people discussing libiio and iio-sensor-proxy on cinnamon forum re accelerometer support. I know this 2-in-1 supports auto rotation because Win10 does it (when I had it installed I mean). | 13:05 |
systemdlete2 | I was able to install some of the iio stuff, but I am wondering if I am overlooking something maybe devuan's particular packaging or the like? | 13:05 |
amarsh04 | buZz I keep timidity at an old version to keep pulseaudio working | 13:22 |
amarsh04 | 2.13.2-14 or something | 13:23 |
amarsh04 | buZz 2.13.2-41 | 13:25 |
ahaz | in talks with the alsa folks, it could be extended to allow per-app volume scaling | 13:27 |
ahaz | in case anyone with some vim and vigor wants a project | 13:27 |
onefang | What if I have some other editor and vigor? B-) | 13:50 |
fsmithred | what if I already have per-app volume scaling with alsa? I didn't do anything special. | 14:38 |
ahaz | fsmithred: how do you do it | 14:39 |
fsmithred | not sure, but maybe it's just a vlc feature | 14:39 |
fsmithred | I had 1 instance of audacious and 1 of vlc | 14:39 |
ahaz | individual applications can implement software volume scaling | 14:39 |
ahaz | media players often provide this | 14:39 |
fsmithred | ok, looks like vlc has it, audacious does not | 14:40 |
ahaz | it is theoretically possible to make an alsamixer that gives you a slider for each active sink | 14:40 |
ahaz | maybe sink is wrong word | 14:40 |
ahaz | but you can see these things in the proc tree | 14:40 |
fsmithred | I'd like a jack plugin for firefox | 14:43 |
fsmithred | afk (coffee time) | 14:46 |
buZz | amarsh04: honestly, i dont require a always-on midi renderer | 14:48 |
buZz | the moments that i do, i just startup fluidsynth, cause soundfonts sound much better | 14:48 |
buZz | -especially- this soundfont ; http://www.schristiancollins.com/generaluser.php | 14:48 |
buZz | night&day compared to timidity, imho | 14:48 |
buZz | oh, thats in repo aswell i think | 14:49 |
buZz | oh, no | 14:50 |
buZz | ooooo my housemates will be glad | 15:24 |
buZz | somehow i fixed the 'mixer stays at 100% when i remove my headphones' | 15:25 |
buZz | last night again i accidentally unplugged headphones and movie was a bitttt loud | 15:25 |
ahaz | nice link thanks buZz | 16:12 |
ahaz | havent heard general midi in .. decades? | 16:12 |
buZz | ahaz: heh, with all these musicnerds around me building modulars etc, i hear a lot of MIDI :) | 16:12 |
buZz | a friend even just wrote a ncurses based midi sequencer :) https://github.com/flok99/somethingsomething | 16:13 |
ahaz | pff, cv | 16:13 |
buZz | sure, but midi-2-cv and cv-2-midi | 16:13 |
ahaz | nice | 16:13 |
buZz | so they can use those hip sequencing machines etc | 16:13 |
ahaz | ncurses is an abstraction layer with no use now though | 16:14 |
ahaz | unless you want to run it on an old wyse terminal | 16:14 |
buZz | of course he runs it on a terminal | 16:14 |
buZz | how can you be a hacker with smiley icons on your desk like a MyFirstSony | 16:14 |
ahaz | yeah but ncurses limits you to lowest common-denominator capabilities | 16:14 |
ahaz | any xterm compatible will have ansi escape code support now | 16:15 |
buZz | what do you want then, sixel support? | 16:15 |
buZz | yeah, ncurses can use ansi | 16:15 |
ahaz | yes but it's a gimped api to it | 16:15 |
ahaz | much easier to just do ansi directly | 16:15 |
buZz | i dont see why | 16:15 |
buZz | oh sure, its possible to do it directly | 16:15 |
buZz | but ncurses (and ncursesw) allows stuff like scrollable windows and gui buttons etc | 16:16 |
buZz | and resizeing with the terminal | 16:16 |
buZz | and easier mouse support :) | 16:17 |
ahaz | well i'm not using it anymore | 16:17 |
buZz | thats ok | 16:17 |
ahaz | scrolleable = redraw buffer with offset-1/+1 | 16:19 |
ahaz | and no working around ncurses color limitations | 16:20 |
ahaz | "you have exceeded your limit of fg/bg color combinations" | 16:20 |
ahaz | "sorry dave, i can't draw that" | 16:20 |
ahaz | though that is finally being addressed | 16:21 |
buZz | well, many terminals can do 24bit color now, i dont think ansi ever offered that either :P | 16:35 |
ahaz | yes | 16:41 |
ahaz | well it does now | 16:41 |
ahaz | looks like youtube just broke youtube-dl, mpv and vlc again | 16:41 |
golinux | And how was all that a Devuan-specific support discussion? | 16:56 |
Soo_Slow | is devuan far behind debian, or not? I mean - iirc current stable debian is buster, while devuan's home page says that ascii (based on stretch) is stable release and beowulf based on buster is in development | 17:00 |
MinceR | they claim buster to be stable, but it isn't :> | 17:01 |
ahaz | the occasional problem with packages in beowulf (for me maybe one or two, ever) is far outweighed by having current libs for compiling | 17:02 |
ahaz | i'm on a desktop though, not a server trying to have high uptime | 17:02 |
golinux | ahaz: Interesting comment as most of the bugs holding up Beowulf release are in desktoppy stuff. | 17:04 |
Soo_Slow | well, Im on desktop too. Got tired of systemd-related issues and trying to find anyhow stable distro to migrate to | 17:04 |
Soo_Slow | *anyhow stable distro without it | 17:04 |
ahaz | i use xfce here | 17:04 |
ahaz | no idea what problems people are having | 17:05 |
Soo_Slow | currently Im on manjaro (arch-based) with cinnamon | 17:05 |
ahaz | yeah those modern DEs are ... playgrounds for problems | 17:06 |
Soo_Slow | except I didnt say a thing about modern DEs, but issues with systemd... | 17:54 |
james1138 | ahaz: what version of youtube-dl are you referring to please? | 18:08 |
ahaz | 9/1, see the github page | 18:09 |
james1138 | Humm - I appear to be using youtube-dl 2019.07.02-dmo1. I hope I am still okay. | 18:13 |
ahaz | you are getting playback/downloads? | 18:17 |
james1138 | I have not tried. Give me a few moments. | 18:19 |
buZz | why not just update it with youtube-dl -U ? | 18:20 |
buZz | (i always put such often updated software in ~/bin) | 18:20 |
ahaz | it's a new breakage since a few hours | 18:20 |
ahaz | no update yet | 18:20 |
buZz | on youtube links? | 18:20 |
ahaz | yes | 18:21 |
buZz | 2~ERROR: This video is unavailable. | 18:21 |
buZz | confirmed | 18:21 |
buZz | with latest update, yeah | 18:21 |
james1138 | Nope - I get "video unavailable" - it worked yesterday!! | 18:22 |
buZz | its been a couple days for me since i've used it | 18:22 |
buZz | i wonder how well movgrab works nowadays | 18:22 |
* buZz clones https://github.com/ColumPaget/Movgrab | 18:23 | |
buZz | urf, that repo needs a cleanup, README.md does -not- need executable rights :D | 18:23 |
buZz | hmm, nope, also wont fly | 18:28 |
james1138 | Just upgrade youtube-dl - Binary Package youtube-dl_2019.08.13-dmo1_all.deb... no improvement. <sigh> | 18:29 |
james1138 | I meant I upgraded | 18:29 |
james1138 | So... anything that depended on Youtube-DL is now "SOL".... QMPlay2 and XT7-Player-MPV in my case. | 18:32 |
fsmithred | james1138, this seems to happen every few months | 18:33 |
fsmithred | download new version when it's available: wget https://yt-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl | 18:33 |
james1138 | Between youtube-dl and QMPlay2... I was happy and did not care about installing bloated Kodi. <frown> | 18:34 |
james1138 | Sorry - closed wrong window | 18:39 |
buZz | your irc client seems buggy james1138 | 18:41 |
buZz | its trying to send multiple PART msgs in one msg, but thats not compatible with freenode | 18:41 |
buZz | so its leaking all channels you are in on each time you close it ;) | 18:42 |
buZz | not a big issue, but still, unneeded | 18:42 |
james1138 | Let me turnoff/remove plugins. Back in a few moments. | 18:44 |
james1138 | I am back and youtube-dl still not working even after upgrade python3-module-youtube. | 18:47 |
buZz | james1138: your last quitmsg didnt seem to leak your channels :) | 18:49 |
james1138 | Good! | 18:51 |
james1138 | Found possible alternatives to Youtube-DL https://alternativeto.net/software/youtube-dl/?platform=linux | 18:52 |
james1138 | I guess I could try SMPlayer and SMTube | 18:57 |
james1138 | Arrgghh... Going to get myself something to eat. Even Smplayer and SMTube no longer works when it comes to watching youtube videos!! | 19:04 |
ahaz | not surprising when youtube changes the api | 19:18 |
telst4r | yeah.. youtube-dl-gui 0.4 still seems to work, eventhough it breaks the names. | 19:23 |
g4570n | https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/issues/22367 | 19:29 |
g4570n | youtube-dl said: ERROR: This video is unavailable. 😕 | 19:29 |
james1138 | This sucks!! Appears even Kodi required youtube-dl to watch videos!! | 20:09 |
MinceR | youtube-dl -U tends to fix it relatively soon after the API is broken | 20:20 |
sixwheeledbeast | It broke today from what I can gather on github | 20:20 |
james1138 | MinceR: how do you add the "-U" command?? | 20:21 |
MinceR | it's a parameter | 20:21 |
MinceR | but it only works if you installed ytdl manually | 20:21 |
MinceR | i.e. it can overwrite its own executable, and probably needs to be in your home too | 20:22 |
free_speech | no it doesn't need to be in your home ... if it isn't and if it isn't writeable for anyone, just use sudo youtube-dl -U | 20:23 |
free_speech | in my case it is in /usr/local/bin | 20:24 |
MinceR | i see | 20:24 |
MinceR | just be careful not to overwrite a copy managed by your package manager because then your package manager will probably overwrite it :> | 20:25 |
james1138 | I just did sudo youtube-dl from root terminal - it says "youtube-dl is up-to-date (2019.09.01)" | 20:25 |
free_speech | 2019.09.01? then it is up to date | 20:26 |
free_speech | youtube-dl -U | 20:26 |
free_speech | Updating to version 2019.09.01 ... | 20:26 |
free_speech | Updated youtube-dl. Restart youtube-dl to use the new version. | 20:26 |
james1138 | free_speech: the command does not fix the problem of viewing youtube videos. | 20:27 |
free_speech | then download the video by typing youtube-dl [URL], and watch it locally then | 20:28 |
free_speech | which player do you use? one that depends on youtube-dl ? | 20:29 |
free_speech | like mpv ? | 20:29 |
buZz | i think nearly all depend on the same logic for grabbing the video | 20:31 |
buZz | which is all broken | 20:31 |
free_speech | vlc doesn't have youtube in its dependencies - and it can play youtube-videos | 20:32 |
free_speech | s/doesn't have youtube/doesn't have youtube-dl | 20:32 |
james1138 | Problem I personally have with VLC is that Kodi, SMPlayer2 and QMPlay2 all have the ability to browse Youtube and watch videos (assuming youtube-dl works) without having to copy and paste URL. | 20:37 |
free_speech | I didn't ever use a media-player to browse youtube ... so - I'm out here. | 20:40 |
free_speech | SMTube is a stand-alone graphical application which allows one | 20:51 |
free_speech | to search and download Youtube videos. Although it is part of | 20:51 |
free_speech | the SMPlayer project, it can be used with any multimedia player | 20:51 |
free_speech | such as mpv, MPlayer, VLC, Totem or Dragon Player. | 20:51 |
free_speech | ever tried this? | 20:51 |
james1138 | Tried SMTube eariler today after install - unable to watch videos. | 20:52 |
free_speech | (doesn't either depend on youtube-dl by the way) | 20:54 |
james1138 | free_speech: Said to say - even if I was able to use SMTube - SMPlayer2 has appears to have no ability to browse internet radio stations without copy and paste. I would have two application - one unable to browse internet radio and the other unable to browse YouTube. | 20:57 |
free_speech | so you want one application being able to browse internet radio AND youtube as well? | 21:00 |
golinux | And how is this a devuan support problem? Maybe Debian fork would be better . . . | 21:00 |
james1138 | Agreed golinux | 21:01 |
tom_ | james1138, it's not that | 21:02 |
tom_ | I'm having trouble with youtube-dl, (the tool mpv uses directly to scrape youtube) | 21:02 |
tom_ | youtube must have changed something again | 21:02 |
tom_ | try updating youtube-dl | 21:02 |
tom_ | https://invidio.us looks broken too | 21:03 |
james1138 | Tom_: I am using the most current youtube-dl / 2019.09.01 | 21:04 |
tom_ | give it a few hours and update. It's always this cat and mouse game with google and scraping to put it in open standard formats | 21:04 |
golinux | #debianfork for youtube-dl questions, please | 21:05 |
free_speech | wasn't debianfork a channel being relevant *before* the first devuan release? | 21:06 |
gnarface | it is still relevant | 21:09 |
golinux | free_speech: It is our general chat channel | 21:16 |
fsmithred | How does anacron know whether I'm on battery or AC? It hasn't run in a long time despite the fact that I'm using AC power. I think it's confused. | 21:21 |
james1138 | tom_ and free_speech: just fixed and sent private chat message with solution | 21:22 |
james1138 | Sorry Golinx: I am just posting the solution so everyone else will not be asking the same... install YouTube video downloader (node-ytdl-core) - Node.js module from terminal or Synaptic Package manager!! ytdl-core is a Node.js module which provides an API to get a readable stream for a YouTube video.Node.js is an event-based server-side JavaScript engine. | 21:25 |
buZz | bug is now closed on youtube-dl | 21:27 |
buZz | since 30mins | 21:27 |
buZz | Updating to version 2019.09.12 ... | 21:27 |
buZz | [download] 14.9% of 50.62MiB at 3.55MiB/s ETA 00:12 | 21:27 |
buZz | worxx | 21:27 |
gnarface | fsmithred: it might have something to do with acpi-support | 21:27 |
fsmithred | I take it back. cron.daily and cron.hourly are both in syslog up to present (more or less) but grep only finds those patterns in the beginning of the file and ends its output with "binary file /var/log/syslog matches" | 21:27 |
fsmithred | file says it's ASCII text | 21:28 |
gnarface | someone complaining about the same thing happening with systemd in 2014 but may be related: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741597 | 21:28 |
gnarface | they are suspecting bugs in acpi-support or pm-utils | 21:29 |
gnarface | it seems to be something that doesn't affect every machine | 21:30 |
gnarface | so maybe it's something to do with how acpi is reporting or failing to report power states | 21:31 |
james1138 | Upgrading to acpi-support_0.143-3 | 21:31 |
james1138 | Upgraded to pm-utils_1.4.1-18 | 21:33 |
fsmithred | maybe I should install that. | 21:33 |
fsmithred | acpi-support I don't have | 21:33 |
gnarface | their bug report about systemd suggests to purge it so seems worth a try | 21:33 |
fsmithred | oh, james1138 has a newer pm-utils | 21:34 |
fsmithred | guess I should take some upgrades | 21:34 |
ahaz | youtube-dl just updated to fix today's breakage! \o/ | 21:35 |
fsmithred | gnarface, purge acpi-support? (I assume they didn't say to purge systemd.) | 21:35 |
gnarface | fsmithred: yea, acpi-support, but since you don't have systemd, maybe the opposite works for you? | 21:36 |
fsmithred | oh, good thinking | 21:37 |
fsmithred | any guesses as to why grep thinks syslog is a binary file and won't read the whole thing? | 21:47 |
gnarface | some stray unicode characters in there or something | 21:48 |
gnarface | maybe | 21:48 |
fsmithred | maybe | 21:48 |
fsmithred | I'll move it and restart rsyslog | 21:48 |
gnarface | yea, i'm not having that problem here so chances are something stuffed some binary characters in there | 21:49 |
gnarface | you might want to find out what is doing that because it seems like a mistake | 21:49 |
fsmithred | it's really old for a syslog file, too. I haven't run this laptop a lot. | 21:49 |
free_speech | do the systemd people at least even take bug reports serious? or do they react on bug-reports like "not our fault -> closed" ? | 21:56 |
kibokin | schinken | 23:42 |
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