| brabo | eepsie | 00:46 |
|---|---|---|
| brabo | well, i hope now poettering dun dit it | 00:47 |
| brabo | *did | 00:47 |
| free_rabbit | buZz and gnarface thx it works now. i have to set the screensaver off with "xset s off" | 01:14 |
| free_rabbit | i wonder why there is a screensaver... | 01:15 |
| free_rabbit | i did not notice that any was installed | 01:15 |
| free_rabbit | maybe this comes with lightdm or something? | 01:16 |
| brabo | free_rabbit: i still have: | 01:19 |
| brabo | xset s off | 01:19 |
| brabo | xset s noblank | 01:19 |
| brabo | xset -dpms | 01:19 |
| brabo | to make sure no blanking happens | 01:19 |
| brabo | could be there's cargo cult in that though.. | 01:20 |
| buZz | free_rabbit: w00t | 01:20 |
| free_rab1it | brabo: thx i will add this | 01:50 |
| free_rab1it | buZz: what is it? | 01:50 |
| buZz | happyness | 01:50 |
| free_rab1it | oh! it is enabled again, so i need to set it everytime the user is log in again? | 01:52 |
| plasma41 | onefang yeti: I still have the Jessie Beta ISOs on my hard disk. I'm even still seeding the torrent for Beta 2. | 01:58 |
| free_rab1it | ok wrote it to the start script of pekwm | 02:00 |
| free_rab1it | does anyone here use lightdm? | 02:00 |
| gnarface | free_rab1it: does it just blank the screen then turn it off, or does it actually animate something? if you see an actual screen saver come up, check for the "xscreensaver" package. the WM, the BIOS, and even vlc or other media players can mess with dpms settings and defaults directly though, so if you're just getting "blanking" behavior it could be any or all of the above | 02:00 |
| gnarface | the on-screen menu of the display itself may even allow you to set defaults for dpms behavior | 02:02 |
| gnarface | and it is not unheard of for some media players to have bugs that set it wrong or conflict with each other | 02:02 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: i didnt not install any screensaver, so there is no xsreensaver, it was just blanking the screen after 10 minutes, but now it is solved ;) thx | 02:02 |
| gnarface | (vlc is *supposed* to be smart enough to disable it but as you can see that has a known history of not working right) | 02:02 |
| gnarface | yea no problem | 02:02 |
| free_rabbit | this problem was only on this beginner system on my system i never had such a problem, so i think some gui program must do something here that blnaks the screen | 02:04 |
| gnarface | very likely, but if it is different hardware remember that even the BIOS could be setting different defaults independent of any software running on it | 02:04 |
| free_rabbit | no both are t60 | 02:05 |
| gnarface | oh alright | 02:05 |
| gnarface | it might be the window manager itself | 02:05 |
| free_rabbit | i think lightdm is do something here.... | 02:05 |
| free_rabbit | dwm? no of course not i used it too | 02:05 |
| gnarface | dwm? | 02:06 |
| gnarface | is the window manager? | 02:06 |
| free_rabbit | and lightdm isnt easy to configure.... its so anoying but i couldt find an alternative for it... | 02:06 |
| free_rabbit | https://packages.debian.org/buster/dwm and https://dwm.suckless.org/ | 02:07 |
| gnarface | there is also slim | 02:07 |
| gnarface | but you have to switch from elogind to consolekit to use slim | 02:07 |
| gnarface | or it won't work | 02:07 |
| gnarface | there were others once... i think systemd ate most of them | 02:08 |
| free_rabbit | slim i remember... something was there... | 02:08 |
| free_rabbit | i will have a look.. | 02:08 |
| gnarface | https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 02:08 |
| gnarface | here there's some info in the release notes about which recommended default window managers go with which login managers and permissions backends | 02:09 |
| gnarface | dwm isn't mentioned but the information in there might still clear some stuff up for you | 02:09 |
| free_rabbit | https://screenshots.debian.net/package/slim looks like slim does not have a button to shutdown or reboot, but thats what i need for this beginner system.. =( | 02:11 |
| gnarface | ah i see | 02:11 |
| free_rabbit | oh the windowmanager ion the beginner system is pekwm | 02:11 |
| gnarface | i guess i can't really help with that quest, i never really got into the gui login thing | 02:12 |
| free_rabbit | it is for an older lady who never used a computer before ;) | 02:12 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: i knew that text file you linked but thx ;) | 02:13 |
| free_rabbit | here thats pekwm its very cool powerful and tiny: https://packages.debian.org/buster/pekwm | 02:14 |
| gnarface | just making sure free_rabbit | 02:14 |
| free_rabbit | i have combined it with the lxpanel | 02:15 |
| free_rabbit | i have first tried other much smaller panels, but they all have problems | 02:16 |
| brabo | fluxbox does it too (screen blanking) | 02:16 |
| free_rabbit | brabo: ah ok. | 02:17 |
| free_rabbit | probably i should take a look at the pekwm confs again maybe somethings there, it is pretty customizable | 02:18 |
| free_rabbit | hm.. no theres is nothing in the pekwm config files about blank, screen, displ... | 02:21 |
| free_rabbit | is it possible that the lxpanel does it? | 02:22 |
| free_rabbit | (it is so bloated ^^) | 02:22 |
| gnarface | i don't know enough about lxpanel to answer for sure, but it's definitely possible | 02:28 |
| brabo | free_rabbit: i believe for flux i had a quick look, didn't see where i could configure it, and threw those in a script i now just execute.. lame, i know | 02:29 |
| brabo | i just wanted it to stop blanking.. | 02:29 |
| free_rabbit | brabo: i thought you were using xset too? | 02:30 |
| gnarface | that's what he's saying | 02:31 |
| gnarface | i put the xset commands in a script | 02:31 |
| brabo | yes | 02:31 |
| gnarface | for all i know lxpanel is calling xset directly too | 02:31 |
| brabo | that :) | 02:31 |
| brabo | possibly, but it'd be the only feature i'd want so it'd be a bit overkill | 02:31 |
| free_rabbit | oh isee! sorry ^^ yes ive done the same in ~/.pekwm/auto | 02:32 |
| brabo | in the end, if it works the way you want, that's what counts :) | 02:32 |
| brabo | i'm actually curious atm to see what's going to happen with init in debian | 02:33 |
| free_rabbit | i will have a look at lxpanel confs (never used them before) but at the moment i try to figure out how to proper. configure lightdm (this thing sucks so much.. -.-) | 02:33 |
| brabo | i see systemd now wants to handle home dirs too, and it breaks ssh. but hey, just have to login locally before you ssh in and it's all cool no? | 02:34 |
| free_rabbit | brabo: yes your right thats what counts, but it is always good 2 now whats going on on your system ;) | 02:34 |
| brabo | free_rabbit: agreed! | 02:34 |
| free_rabbit | brabo: systemd? you mean that new kernel? | 02:34 |
| brabo | just saying, there's usually a lot of ways to get something done | 02:34 |
| brabo | free_rabbit: hahaha | 02:35 |
| free_rabbit | ;) | 02:35 |
| brabo | systemd-freebsd: systemd freeBS daemon - generates bullshit at no extra cost | 02:35 |
| free_rabbit | you know the suckless site about systemdeath.. err systemd? | 02:35 |
| brabo | i believe i have seen it yes | 02:36 |
| free_rabbit | https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/ | 02:36 |
| free_rabbit | oh ok =) | 02:36 |
| brabo | free_rabbit: that's so overkill for an init ;) https://gitlab.com/insane-adding-machines/frosted-userland/blob/master/binutils/init.c ;) | 02:38 |
| brabo | look, a few sloc less! | 02:38 |
| brabo | but ye, that's about all an init has to do. and should. | 02:39 |
| brabo | systemd is worse than emacs.. | 02:39 |
| brabo | although.. | 02:39 |
| brabo | though what makes that i'd never ever would want to use systemd is the policy on bugs | 02:40 |
| free_rabbit | oh thats nothing! my init can buy food, clean my room, do babysitting.... | 02:40 |
| brabo | oh, let's quickly close this bug. walk away. what bug? | 02:40 |
| brabo | bug remains | 02:40 |
| brabo | that to me is truly unforgivable | 02:41 |
| free_rab1it | i still dont get why people do want something like systemd.. but maybe im still to much noob ^^ | 02:42 |
| brabo | i am curious though, how this is going to evolve in debian. seems some tensions are rising about init system diversity | 02:42 |
| free_rab1it | hey my nick is gone... o-= | 02:43 |
| brabo | i guess it's unavoidable when the default init has such scope creep and everything gets so entangled in it | 02:43 |
| free_rab1it | poettering just want to build a better windumbs... | 02:43 |
| free_rab1it | i do reconnect do get my nick back... | 02:44 |
| brabo | a better? if windows had an ssh i'm sure you could at least ssh in without being logged in locally.. | 02:44 |
| free_rab1it | strange.. o_0 | 02:48 |
| brabo | 02:44:25 < brabo> a better? if windows had an ssh i'm sure you could at least ssh in without being logged in locally.. | 02:50 |
| gnarface | take the anti-systemd soapboxing to #debianfork, the official ranting channel. nobody disagrees with you here but this channel is supposed to be reserved for support | 02:51 |
| gnarface | (as in technical support, not emotional support :-P) | 02:51 |
| brabo | gnarface: a simple "off topic" would have sufficed | 02:51 |
| gnarface | and i believe windows does have openssh now | 02:52 |
| brabo | and the last thing i need is emotional support. suggesting i am in need of that is offensive | 02:52 |
| gnarface | i could be wrong | 02:52 |
| gnarface | we all need emotional support from time to time, we just can't all admit it to ourselves | 02:53 |
| brabo | gnarface: off-topic | 02:56 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: lol there is an official ranting channel? XD | 03:11 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: windumps is copying more and more from linux... | 03:12 |
| gnarface | free_rabbit: yea #debianfork was put up by these guys before they decided on a distro name i think. it's still a devuan operated channel though. | 03:13 |
| gnarface | lots of us are in both channels | 03:17 |
| free_rabbit | gnarface: i see =D | 04:19 |
| free_rabbit | is there a way to replace the text for disk decryption befor booting (this volume group bla not found pleas unlock sdafoo and somethin) | 04:21 |
| free_rabbit | i like to display only "Please type in your password to decrypt your Hardrive" or something | 04:22 |
| free_rabbit | *Harddrive | 04:22 |
| cehteh | its free software :D | 04:24 |
| free_rabbit | cehteh: i know... i ment where to change thios text | 04:26 |
| free_rabbit | *this | 04:26 |
| cehteh | i guess you have to grep, dmcrypt and then somewhere in the initrd toolchain | 04:27 |
| free_rabbit | ok.. dmcrypt | 04:30 |
| free_rabbit | find / -name *dmcrypt* only outputs: /usr/lib/eject/dmcrypt-get-device | 04:33 |
| cehteh | # which cryptsetup | 04:35 |
| cehteh | /sbin/cryptsetup | 04:35 |
| cehteh | you have to dig a bit deeper, i dont know by myself where the strings are stored and if they are perhaps localized | 04:36 |
| free_rabbit | /sbin/cryptsetup that is a binary... | 04:37 |
| cehteh | yes somehere in the infrastructure around that | 04:38 |
| free_rabbit | ok.. | 04:38 |
| cehteh | there is some init file for setting up the crypto stuff and that gets build into the initrd as well | 04:39 |
| cehteh | (or some other script for that job) | 04:39 |
| free_rabbit | cehteh: i found something in /usr/share/cryptsetup/initramfs/bin/cryptroot-unlock | 04:46 |
| free_rabbit | hm.. but theres only that question for unlocking the disk, not all the stuff before (volume group not found, warning etc...) | 04:48 |
| free_rabbit | is that doing by other programs? | 04:48 |
| cehteh | likely, sry you have to search by yourself, 4.50 am here and i go to bed | 04:49 |
| cehteh | heh for you as well :D | 04:49 |
| cehteh | possibly a good idea to search backwards, starting with unpacking the initrd, because thats smaller and thats the place where it shall end | 04:50 |
| free_rabbit | cehteh: ok thx and good night | 04:53 |
| free_rabbit | bye other people | 04:54 |
| chomwitt | good morning from Greece | 08:33 |
| golinux | Most everybody is sleeping now | 08:34 |
| chomwitt | i am happy to announce that i have my first devuan ascii cloud server up and running | 09:56 |
| chomwitt | golinux: sorry | 09:56 |
| chomwitt | pauli the famous theoretical physicist used to work late and wake up late | 09:57 |
| onefang | Yay! | 09:58 |
| golinux | Yeah. 3am here | 09:59 |
| MinceR | yet there still are people whose only achievement in life is that they wake up early and as a result they judge other people on the basis of whether they do so | 10:06 |
| onefang | The sun is setting here on this side of the planet. | 10:07 |
| chomwitt | how could i prove that i have a devuan vps running ? | 10:27 |
| chomwitt | the ip only shows the apache page | 10:27 |
| LtWorf_ | prove? Give out ssh accounts so people can make sure | 10:31 |
| r3boot | lsb_release -v > /var/www/index.html, and serve that? :P | 10:43 |
| chomwitt | r3boot: cool idea | 10:54 |
| r3boot | dont forget the 'powered by devuan' badges :P | 10:55 |
| chomwitt | http://116.203.245.120/ | 11:03 |
| chomwitt | ah the badges! | 11:03 |
| chomwitt | where are they? | 11:04 |
| chomwitt | but thats not really proof. what about dpkg -l | grep systemd | 11:05 |
| r3boot | use gimp and create your own :) | 11:05 |
| chomwitt | :-) | 11:05 |
| yeti | __ | 11:06 |
| yeti | \c) . o O ( I see no Systemd! ) | 11:06 |
| r3boot | a sha256sum of your vmlinuz file maybe | 11:06 |
| yeti | ______L_\_________________________________ | 11:06 |
| yeti | 2018-04-10, yeti | 11:06 |
| chomwitt | u mean ,,as in create a better badge or as in create the first ever badge ? | 11:06 |
| errandir1 | popcon shows devuan but not which version | 11:08 |
| topro | with beowulf release, what are the chances of a devuan image for raspi 4? | 11:17 |
| jaromil | pretty high, best asked in #devuan-arm | 11:18 |
| topro | ok, thanks. will ask there... | 11:19 |
| buZz | r3boot: no longer gimp | 11:37 |
| buZz | its now 'glimpse' :P | 11:37 |
| buZz | lol | 11:37 |
| buZz | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/08/glimpse-gimp-image-editor-fork | 11:40 |
| r3boot | oh, ghe, yeah, sorry! :P | 11:40 |
| buZz | ^_^ | 11:42 |
| onefang | I dunno, has glimpse hit Devuan / Debian package repos yet? I still use GIMP. ;-P | 11:42 |
| buZz | onefang: lol no | 11:43 |
| buZz | afaik, they're still learning C++ | 11:43 |
| onefang | Ah, they have only glimpsed at the source code. | 11:43 |
| buZz | :D | 11:44 |
| buZz | they found things to get triggered on by the 'glimpse' name though, so it might be renaming again soon | 11:44 |
| retak_ | where is c++? | 11:55 |
| r3boot | werent they going to rewrite it in rust? :P | 11:59 |
| retak_ | they should use C. so the project dies fast | 12:00 |
| onefang | They would have to understand the C++ to port it to Rust. | 12:00 |
| retak_ | lol | 12:00 |
| jaromil | buZz: lol | 13:46 |
| buZz | jaromil: yeah its such a weird story :D | 13:46 |
| jaromil | well i guess the same people now is busy ruining RMS' life | 13:47 |
| buZz | most ppl that are involved on that fork, werent even born when GIMP got released | 13:47 |
| jaromil | that young? you mean 19yo? | 13:47 |
| jaromil | gimp was born with gtk-1 | 13:48 |
| buZz | yeah seems like it | 13:48 |
| buZz | ofcourse, gimp toolkit | 13:48 |
| buZz | :) | 13:48 |
| jaromil | :^) | 13:48 |
| buZz | jaromil: hey maybe you wanna join dreamer and me, in making a videoclip for some uptempo darkjazz song | 13:49 |
| buZz | honorary Puik. member | 13:49 |
| buZz | we could use a actor for some scenes ;) | 13:50 |
| onefang | Think you have gone well off topic now. #debianfork? or maybe #devuanjazz? | 13:52 |
| jaromil | buZz: cool!! tell me when | 13:55 |
| jaromil | yes or dyne channel | 13:55 |
| buZz | <3 | 13:55 |
| furrywolf | james1138: your client is still broken, and doesn't know how to send a quit properly. | 18:54 |
| james1138 | Oh! Sorry - let me go back and fix. I recently upgraded. | 18:55 |
| furrywolf | #startrek :QUIT :Leaving."] | 18:55 |
| furrywolf | grr, paste fail. | 18:55 |
| james1138 | Ahh: I added a extra chat channel - strange. I deleted the channel completely | 18:58 |
| furrywolf | your client is apparantly attempting to send a bunch of commands but instead failing and sticking them in the quit message. | 19:02 |
| furrywolf | bbl | 19:04 |
| onefang | Even worse, for those of us using IRC clients that turns certain letter combinations into icons, parts of those commands are turning into faces with poked out tongues. lol | 19:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :P | 20:03 |
| furrywolf | lol | 20:33 |
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