| Simeon | how would you fix this? | 00:55 |
|---|---|---|
| Guest28411 | openvpn : Depends: libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d) but it is not installabl | 00:55 |
| Guest28411 | Source: openssl1.0 | 00:55 |
| Guest28411 | Version: 1.0.2n-1ubuntu5.3 | 00:55 |
| Guest28411 | i have 1.0.2n installed and that is > 1.0.2d | 00:56 |
| Simoen2 | i'll just download the .deb and dpkg -i --force-depends | 01:01 |
| Simoen2 | i seem to require libssl1.0.2d for openvpn | 01:02 |
| Simoen2 | Package: libssl1.0.0 | 01:03 |
| Simoen2 | Version: 1.0.2n-1ubuntu5.3 is installed | 01:03 |
| Simoen2 | how do i tell devuan that 1.0.2n resolves the dependency for openvpn | 01:04 |
| Simoen2 | hm | 01:05 |
| Simoen2 | ok i'm past it thanks anyway - ignore the above | 01:10 |
| Xenguy | I have installed Ascii on a new (refurbished) Thinkpad here, and what I notice is that the brightness is dimming after 40 seconds or so of inactivity... | 01:41 |
| Xenguy | This is MATE desktop... | 01:41 |
| Xenguy | I have checked the power management dialog, and I don't see any configuration that would account for that behavior... | 01:41 |
| Xenguy | Would anyone happen to know where this dimming behavior could be originating? | 01:42 |
| Xenguy | e.g. is there another power management package that could be producing this effect? | 01:43 |
| Xenguy | I find it annoying because often times I'm just reading onscreen, so of course there is often 40 seconds of inactivity. | 01:44 |
| gnarface | there's a bunch of stuff that could be causing it in theory | 01:44 |
| Xenguy | hi gnarface | 01:45 |
| Xenguy | Say it ain't so Joe | 01:45 |
| gnarface | well check the mate configuration first | 01:45 |
| gnarface | i don't know anything about it | 01:45 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, as above, I've checked the basic PM settings in MATE | 01:45 |
| gnarface | but it's possible it's some battery usage profile | 01:45 |
| Xenguy | So it must be something else | 01:46 |
| gnarface | got acpid and pm-utils installed? | 01:46 |
| Xenguy | Does pm-utils contain pm-hibernate ? | 01:46 |
| Xenguy | If yes, then yes. | 01:46 |
| gnarface | probably | 01:46 |
| gnarface | also make sure you have task-laptop, and check for maybe some non-free thinkpad package that might contain firmware | 01:47 |
| Xenguy | Looks like acpid is not installed though | 01:47 |
| gnarface | you probably want that but it's not a guarantee | 01:47 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, pm-utils is installed | 01:48 |
| Xenguy | So is task-laptop | 01:48 |
| gnarface | after it dims, does it brighten back up if you plug the AC adapter back in? | 01:48 |
| Xenguy | I'm running on AC when this occurs (forgot to mention that) | 01:49 |
| gnarface | oh, interesting | 01:49 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, it is 'battery'-like behavior | 01:49 |
| gnarface | there could be kernel modules too | 01:49 |
| gnarface | that you need to load | 01:50 |
| gnarface | but i thought that was only for really really old thinkpads | 01:50 |
| gnarface | probably older than this one if you're running MATE | 01:50 |
| gnarface | but i'm not sure | 01:50 |
| gnarface | hmm | 01:50 |
| gnarface | no maybe not | 01:50 |
| gnarface | i'm seeing thinpad_acpi.ko | 01:51 |
| gnarface | is that module loaded? ^^^ | 01:51 |
| gnarface | the brightness should show up in /sys/ somewhere if the right modules are loaded | 01:51 |
| Xenguy | I have no idea, and I would truly hope this has nothing to do with kernel level stuff | 01:51 |
| gnarface | well sometimes the modules you need don't auto-load and it's a pretty simple thing to add them to the /etc/modules file | 01:52 |
| gnarface | maybe i'm wrong mabye it is in /proc/ | 01:53 |
| gnarface | i dunno | 01:53 |
| gnarface | it varies depending on the hardware | 01:53 |
| gnarface | you can check what modules are loaded with "lsmod" just fyi, in case you didn't know | 01:54 |
| Xenguy | Thanks, I honestly haven't touched anything module for years, so I'm hoping it's something else that is causing the dimming | 01:55 |
| Xenguy | But you know how Nasrudin is, he likes to look for his keys in lighted areas | 01:56 |
| Xenguy | er, well lit areas | 01:56 |
| Xenguy | Well I read the pm-utils README, and there doesn't seem to be any mention of dimming | 02:00 |
| rrq | Xenguy: check xrandr for brightness control (works sometimes) | 02:07 |
| Xenguy | Thanks folks, I think I have it licked now. I unchecked a couple of PM options in the 'battery' section of the power management config (which I had assumed should not effect the operation when I'm running on AC, but it turns out it did) | 02:10 |
| Xenguy | If that makes sense. So looks all good as far as I can tell. | 02:10 |
| Simoen2 | i can't install openvpn openvpn : Depends: libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d) but it is not installable | 02:14 |
| Xenguy | I really do love linux's 'just copy over your dot files', and all your config's are easily in place | 02:14 |
| Simoen2 | either with beowulf or ceres repos | 02:15 |
| golinux | Xenguy: +1 for the Nasrudin reference | 02:17 |
| Xenguy | 8 -] | 02:18 |
| golinux | Simoen2: Maybe this is the reason why? <Simoen2> Version: 1.0.2n-1ubuntu5.3 is installed | 02:18 |
| golinux | You should not be using Ubuntu packages | 02:19 |
| Simoen2 | i purged it | 02:19 |
| Simoen2 | i'm not trying to | 02:19 |
| golinux | You might be mixing Devuan repos then? | 02:20 |
| Simoen2 | i'll try with latest | 02:21 |
| Simoen2 | Get:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/main arm64 openssl arm64 1.1.1d-1 | 02:21 |
| Simoen2 | why protonvpn needs 1.0.2d idk | 02:21 |
| Simoen2 | openvpn : Depends: libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d) but it is not installable | 02:22 |
| Simoen2 | i have libssl 1.1.1d-1 installed | 02:22 |
| Simoen2 | there is no libssl1.0* in repository | 02:22 |
| Simoen2 | maybe i gan build openvpn cfom source | 02:23 |
| Simoen2 | git clone git://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/openvpn.git | 02:24 |
| Simoen2 | anonscm.debian.org[0: 194.177.211.202]: errno=Connection refused | 02:25 |
| Simoen2 | ah it is deprecated | 02:26 |
| Simoen2 | building from source | 02:27 |
| Simoen2 | crypto.h:437:12: error: field ‘ctx’ has incomplete type | 02:28 |
| Simoen2 | oh openvpn 2.4 will work with openssl1.1 https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/ticket/759 | 02:33 |
| Simoen2 | fixed two years ago | 02:33 |
| Simoen2 | openvpn 2.4 builds fine from https://openvpn.net/community-downloads/ | 02:41 |
| dgriffi | has anyone noticed that the DVD image is too big for a single-layer disc? | 03:06 |
| Simoen2 | perhaps, but i can't ask everyone | 03:20 |
| Simoen2 | you using nvidia gpu with nvidia drivers dgriffi ? | 03:20 |
| Simoen2 | i have 80x25 console and don't know what boot flag will fix | 03:21 |
| Lipps | ask me for help if you need openvpn! | 03:27 |
| dgriffi | huh? I was asking about DVD image size | 03:28 |
| Lipps | are single-layer cheaper? | 03:29 |
| dgriffi | yes | 03:30 |
| dgriffi | it exceeds the limit by about one gig | 03:30 |
| fsmithred | don't they hold close to 4.5G? | 03:31 |
| Lipps | i am not the maintainer of that | 03:31 |
| Lipps | if you could contact the maintainer that would be best | 03:31 |
| dgriffi | 4.7 gigs | 03:31 |
| fsmithred | that's the capacity of a DVD or that's the size of the iso? | 03:32 |
| dgriffi | which is 4812 megabytes | 03:32 |
| fsmithred | it shows as 4G on the website. I don't have one here to check. | 03:32 |
| dgriffi | the ISO, as determined by cdrecord is 4442 megabytes. with overhead, it's 5102... which won't fit. | 03:33 |
| fsmithred | This is the first time I've heard that. But your timing is good - we're in the process of making new isos. | 03:34 |
| dgriffi | what's the proper way to document this? | 03:34 |
| fsmithred | why so much overhead? | 03:34 |
| dgriffi | fsmithred: it's how DVDs work | 03:34 |
| dgriffi | it's why 650/700 megabytes won't all fit on a CD | 03:35 |
| dgriffi | the measurement is raw data | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | I usually can fit 710 | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | or a little more | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | anyway, a bug report at bugs.devuan.org if you can file one against debian-installer | 03:36 |
| fsmithred | but I'm not sure that will work. | 03:36 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you can. It recognizes the package name. | 03:36 |
| xormar | hi all | 04:35 |
| Lipps | greets xormar | 04:35 |
| xormar | is multiarch working in beowulf? | 04:35 |
| Lipps | i have run i386 stuff on it | 04:35 |
| xormar | hm, i'm trying to install wine32, and it gives me errors along these lines: libmount1 : Breaks: libmount1:i386 (!= 2.32.1-0.1+devuan2.1) but 2.33.1-0.1+devuan1 is to be installed | 04:36 |
| xormar | looks like a version mismatch in the 64 vs 32 bit pkg | 04:36 |
| xormar | anybody seen this? | 04:39 |
| golinux | Yes, in Beowulf iirc | 04:45 |
| golinux | xormar: ^^^ And read https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3067 | 04:46 |
| golinux | And https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3029 | 04:47 |
| golinux | And https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2987 | 04:47 |
| dgriffi | I think my report about the DVD iso being too big is premature... The DVD burner I was using appears to have croaked. | 05:01 |
| Lipps | i can test if i can find a dvd | 05:06 |
| Lipps | one site says 4.7 gigabytes | 05:08 |
| Lipps | 4,700,372,992 | 05:08 |
| Lipps | DVD-RW can add up to 515.94MB of overhead | 05:09 |
| dgriffi | I swapped out my burner (UJDA782) for a bluray burner | 05:12 |
| dgriffi | serial ultrabay interface on a Thinkpad T420 | 05:12 |
| xormar | golinux: thanks for the links, they did not turn up in any search i did. works with the extra steps described there! | 05:12 |
| golinux | Great! | 05:13 |
| golinux | Yeah, the search function isn't all that great even when I remember the post I'm looking for | 05:14 |
| xormar | the forum also seems to be not indexed by search engines | 05:23 |
| xormar | thx again & bb | 05:25 |
| TwistedFate | Does anyone here use auto log-in on Steam? | 08:37 |
| fbt | It doesn't work without a dbus session running, if you're asking about that | 08:54 |
| fbt | Or at least used to not | 08:54 |
| * Lipps tries forwarding sound from one devuan box to another | 08:55 | |
| Hum | When will the new Devuan release be published? | 10:25 |
| Lipps | it seems 'soon' | 10:25 |
| Hum | thx | 10:25 |
| Hund | Never ask devs for ETA's. :P | 11:09 |
| Wonka | so, there's another exim4 bug, fixed in 4.92.3 - which is not yet available in Debian either. | 11:09 |
| Wonka | *sigh* | 11:09 |
| onefang | Standard answer from us devs - it'll be ready when it's ready. | 11:10 |
| Hum | Hund: I didn't take devuan-dev. Maybe I got a non-developer answer that is better ;) | 11:10 |
| r3boot | .. or, you know, help out in developing the new release ;) | 11:10 |
| Hund | Hum: :D | 11:11 |
| Hum | r3boot: I can do bug-reports. I am not good in developing | 11:12 |
| r3boot | Hum: you never know until you try | 11:12 |
| r3boot | also, maintaining a distro is more then just developing :) | 11:12 |
| onefang | Bug reports are great, things need testing, lots of testing. | 11:15 |
| Hum | r3boot: Maybe I already tried ;) No, to be honest: reporting bugs and sometimes wrting some documentian is the way I help | 11:16 |
| Hum | are there images of devuan alpha/beta? I could try to install them in a virtual environment | 11:17 |
| onefang | #devuan-dev might be a better place to ask that question. | 11:30 |
| Hum | ok | 11:31 |
| Lipps | =hm | 11:42 |
| Lipps | rebootedd and can only log in as root | 11:42 |
| Lipps | logging on as user brings me back to the login screen | 11:43 |
| buZz | so something in your profile crashes ;) | 11:43 |
| Hum | disk full? | 11:43 |
| Lipps | as user startx gives Segmentatoin fault at address 0x8 | 11:43 |
| Lipps | 13GB free | 11:44 |
| Lipps | amusing, something broke | 11:44 |
| Lipps | for the first time in years | 11:44 |
| buZz | 0x8 is quite a low address :P | 11:45 |
| Lipps | running X as root is a bad idea right | 11:45 |
| buZz | yes | 11:45 |
| Lipps | can modern X be started from console with startx? | 11:46 |
| Lipps | or do i need these gooey things that start x for me | 11:46 |
| Lipps | i used to always boot to console | 11:46 |
| Lipps | inint 3 | 11:46 |
| Lipps | just seemed more sensible | 11:47 |
| Lipps | picked that up from the Sun days | 11:47 |
| onefang | Disk almost full should have been what was asked. Usually there is a percentage of disk space, if it dcops below that, only root can write to it. That percentage may be over 13GB on a really big disk. | 11:47 |
| onefang | Er *drops below* | 11:47 |
| Lipps | dude no way is login failing with 13GB free | 11:47 |
| buZz | why is login accessing 0x8 | 11:48 |
| buZz | or is that a abbreviation | 11:48 |
| onefang | One of my disks is complaining about low disk with 71 GB available. YMMV | 11:49 |
| onefang | So if 13 GB is below the threshold where only root can write, and X11 is falling over coz non root can't write, but root can write... | 11:50 |
| Hum | if 1% is reserved for root, and 13GB is about 1% then the partition would have more than 1.3TB. Could happen today in a irc chat with user who know that sun isn't only a planet | 11:51 |
| buZz | sun is a planet? | 11:51 |
| buZz | i thought it was a star .. | 11:51 |
| r3boot | SunOS||GTFO! :P | 11:52 |
| Hum | buZz: yes, sorry, I have no time for planetary questions... | 11:52 |
| buZz | :) | 11:52 |
| buZz | Hum: thats ok | 11:52 |
| onefang | Something that big and dangerous can be whatever the hell it wants to be. B-) | 11:52 |
| buZz | :D :D | 11:52 |
| r3boot | Lipps: actually, Sun was pretty pioneering with X terminals back in the days .. how about recreating a SunRay environment instead?? The Network Is The Computer, you know! | 11:52 |
| buZz | isnt that called XDMCP ? | 11:53 |
| Hum | I guess 5% is normally reserved for root with extX and btrfs. If 13GB are about 5%, then the partition would be 260GB. Am I right? | 11:53 |
| r3boot | buZz: that's the network protocol that's used yeah. It was based on SunRay terminals, with a nice sunfire behind it, and gnome 1 | 11:54 |
| buZz | :) lovely | 11:54 |
| r3boot | (modern day Xorg doesnt do xdmcp btw, you'll need Xephyr for that) | 11:54 |
| buZz | hmmm, you sure? archwiki seems to suggest it still works | 11:55 |
| buZz | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDMCP | 11:55 |
| r3boot | Mja, doesnt work with classic xdmcp | 11:56 |
| Lipps | ok i can login to other users... there's something wrong with my primary user | 11:56 |
| Lipps | fun fun | 11:56 |
| onefang | OK, not the disk space issue then. | 11:57 |
| Lipps | yeh bro not expecting you to solve it remotely | 11:57 |
| Lipps | it's just chat | 11:57 |
| Lipps | i just like this treehouse a lot | 11:57 |
| onefang | This is the Devuan support channel, some of us are here to help the rest solve their problems. | 11:58 |
| Lipps | mhrm | 11:58 |
| Lipps | +100 | 11:58 |
| buZz | we're all synapses in the globe-brain , firing off each others inputs and outputs | 11:58 |
| Lipps | you ever read The Machine Stops by E.M. Forster? | 11:59 |
| Lipps | he predicted this in like, 1904 | 11:59 |
| onefang | Yep. | 11:59 |
| Lipps | it's free online | 11:59 |
| * Lipps bows to onefang | 11:59 | |
| buZz | nice, 24 page shortstory | 12:01 |
| buZz | *adds to hacker library collection* | 12:01 |
| Lipps | i read it in 1987 for an english lit class | 12:01 |
| Lipps | and said 'this is the future!' | 12:01 |
| buZz | :) | 12:02 |
| buZz | that was kinda the feeling i got when i read Brave New World | 12:03 |
| buZz | but replace future with today | 12:03 |
| Lipps | seems very obvious | 12:03 |
| Lipps | to not like tyranny | 12:03 |
| Lipps | i cannot feel abnormal wanting some privacy and freedom. | 12:04 |
| Lipps | i am right | 12:04 |
| Lipps | and to have tha freedom you need to know and identify the aggressors | 12:10 |
| Lipps | c.f. debconf | 12:12 |
| Hund | How I change what things to start at boot and not? | 16:48 |
| fsmithred | sysv-rc-conf is easy | 16:49 |
| r3boot | with rm and ln :) | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | if you want to control what desktop things start, that would be somewhere in the desktop settings | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | lol | 16:49 |
| r3boot | no need for a frontend for some basic unix commands ;) | 16:49 |
| r3boot | (really, it's that easy :) | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | if you like typing | 16:50 |
| r3boot | mja, muscle memory is fast and latency free :P | 16:50 |
| Hund | fsmithred: Thanks. I'm installing it and checking it out. | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | arrow keys, space bar and q to quit | 16:52 |
| omnio | sysv-rc-conf is great and it doesn't hurt to check first "runlevel", just to be sure where to make changes | 16:52 |
| Hund | Wow. that was easy. :P | 16:52 |
| * r3boot sighs :P | 16:52 | |
| onefang | Only one problem with sysv-rc-conf, but it only happens if you have over 100 lines in your terminal. It'll crash if you try to arrow down all the way. | 17:10 |
| onefang | Though maybe that's just me. lol | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | onefang, arrow up instead. It wraps. | 17:24 |
| onefang | I know that, but there's still the ones between where it falls over and the beginning of the next page that I can't get to. Unless I use a smaller terminal. | 17:26 |
| r3boot | (really, rm and ln are way easier AND you get the chance to learn how sysv runlevels actually work ;) | 17:26 |
| * onefang goes back to watching TV, that's even easier. B-) | 17:28 | |
| forester | hi. devuan 2 xfce. I had removed some applications. But they still remain in menu. How to remove them from there? | 18:43 |
| Lipps | i can't even get themes working in xfce | 18:50 |
| Lipps | use fuckin fluxbox. edit menus in a file | 18:50 |
| Lipps | god damn gtk | 18:50 |
| golinux | Install desktop-base with Xfce and you get a coordinated theme from grub to desktop | 18:54 |
| forester | I suppose there should be a config file somewhere? | 18:56 |
| Lipps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjsZbbG5fag =>> Yilan bridge collapses in Taiwan - TomoNews <<= | 18:58 |
| Lipps | gtk developers designed the bridge | 18:58 |
| Lipps | desktop-base is already the newest version (1:3.0). | 18:58 |
| Lipps | stop lying | 18:59 |
| omnio | forester: I'm not sure about XFCE but I think the menus just show the entries from /usr/share/applications | 19:03 |
| Lipps | https://wayfire.org/2019/01/13/Introduction-to-Wayfire.html i might start supporting this | 19:05 |
| forester | omnio: Thank you. I have find an Main Menu there. This app I used with Mate DE. And this app did make what I needed. | 19:11 |
| golinux | Lipps: If you want the latest SNS, Devuan probably won't work for you. Bye. | 19:17 |
| Lipps | what is SNS | 19:18 |
| golinux | Shiny New Shit | 19:18 |
| Lipps | i'm just tired of broken shit | 19:21 |
| Lipps | i tend to hate new shit | 19:21 |
| Lipps | unless it's not broken | 19:21 |
| Lipps | that's the only metric, golinux | 19:21 |
| r3boot | Actually, I think you should be able to get most if not all new linux SNS working under devuan with a bit of effort | 19:23 |
| r3boot | barring effort, I still recommend OpenBSD as a desktop. Slow, Sluggish, but reliable and predictable | 19:24 |
| Demosthenex | hey folks, seen a php7.1 for devuan? i checked backports, doesn't seem to be there | 19:26 |
| Lipps | i want dark themes to work | 19:26 |
| Lipps | "Minix, the most used operating system in the world, without anyone knowing it" < lol | 19:26 |
| r3boot | Lipps: btw, xfce4 themes are fixed by d/l'ing a theme from xfce-look.org, extracting to ~/.local/share/themes, and selecting it in the settings | 19:31 |
| Lipps | which one works? | 19:32 |
| Lipps | dark theme | 19:32 |
| r3boot | i use solarized-dark | 19:32 |
| Lipps | which one works? | 19:32 |
| r3boot | xfce 4.14 btw | 19:32 |
| Lipps | https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1311022/ this one? | 19:33 |
| r3boot | yes, that one. Got that running under openbsd/xfce 4.14 btw, not devuan | 19:34 |
| r3boot | (not that that matters, since xfce4 looks in freedesktop.org specified theme directories) | 19:35 |
| Lipps | deliver a fucking dark theme with xfce | 19:38 |
| r3boot | send a mail to their mailinglist! | 19:39 |
| r3boot | did you get it to work btw? | 19:39 |
| Lipps | i'll try now | 19:39 |
| r3boot | xfce4 does come with dark themes btw, if you install the xfce4-themes package ofc | 19:39 |
| Lipps | they are broken | 19:39 |
| Lipps | or gtk is broken | 19:40 |
| r3boot | could be anything. You will know once you get the output of xfwm ;) | 19:40 |
| r3boot | (or just blame it on gtk and the world :P) | 19:40 |
| Lipps | mv Solarized-Dark-GTK .local/share/themes | 19:41 |
| Lipps | not appearing in xfce appearance | 19:41 |
| r3boot | try restarting xfce4 | 19:41 |
| Lipps | ok | 19:41 |
| golinux | Not dark enough for you? https://transfer.sh/zNtAF/ascii_desktop_sm.png | 19:43 |
| Lipps | copied over my old ~/.config and now i got no xfce-desktop | 19:44 |
| r3boot | nice and clean golinux :) | 19:44 |
| Lipps | no | 19:45 |
| Lipps | look at that white shit | 19:45 |
| golinux | To each his own | 19:46 |
| Lipps | i swear to fucking god i will fucking force gtk apps to dark | 19:47 |
| Lipps | first order of business is delete every light theme | 19:47 |
| Lipps | on the system | 19:47 |
| Lipps | every one | 19:47 |
| golinux | https://transfer.sh/NajMZ/meet-cinnabar-dark-sm.png | 19:47 |
| r3boot | https://i.imgur.com/cRxTatg.png <-- my current driver | 19:50 |
| Lipps | can i delete Daloa, Default, Default-hdpi, Default-xhdpi, Kokodi, Moheli from /usr/local/share/themes or are any of them dark? | 19:50 |
| r3boot | Sure, but they are part of a package, and if you remove the files manually, you break the package | 19:51 |
| Lipps | the package IS broken | 19:51 |
| Lipps | gtk is broken | 19:51 |
| Lipps | either that or i have the usual suspects in my system | 19:52 |
| r3boot | look, this is getting old. This channel is for devuan support. If you want to continue ranting, please take this to #debianfork or somewhere else | 19:52 |
| Lipps | which is also likely | 19:52 |
| Lipps | k | 19:52 |
| r3boot | The wise thing to do in this case, is to file a bugreport with the xfce4 people, to figure out whats going on | 19:53 |
| r3boot | that'll get things sorted the quickest | 19:53 |
| r3boot | if your reaction is to randomly delete stuff from your system b/c you think it's broken, you will actually break stuff, eventually | 19:54 |
| Lipps | it's gtk | 19:54 |
| r3boot | why do you think so? | 19:54 |
| Lipps | because i've been dealing with their shit since the 1990s | 19:55 |
| r3boot | so then you know you need to capture debug output and/or an actual error message before you can even start to make such a claim ;) | 19:55 |
| Lipps | screenshot is enough | 19:57 |
| r3boot | no, not at all actually :) | 19:57 |
| Lipps | starting a new user | 19:58 |
| r3boot | your session manager (xfce, gnome, mate, whatever) should (and can be made to) log its output to a file. In that file, you can find the actual thing that is keeping you from being able to do $whatever. Find that file, analyze it, fix stuff, rinse, repeat. | 19:59 |
| r3boot | something you should know after having survived atleast two major gtk updates ;P | 19:59 |
| Lipps | no man, this is a 'you had one job' situation | 20:02 |
| Lipps | i can't drill down into everything | 20:02 |
| r3boot | look. You've spent atleast an hour ranting about it on irc .. Sure you can find a spare minute for egrep -i 'error|warning' /some/log/file | less | 20:03 |
| Lipps | i rand on the side | 20:04 |
| Lipps | on a working machine | 20:04 |
| Lipps | yep see | 20:05 |
| Lipps | i select adwaita-dark | 20:05 |
| Lipps | and xfce has no window borders anymore | 20:05 |
| Lipps | it's locked into some bright theme | 20:06 |
| g4570n | Demosthenex: try with https://deb.sury.org repos | 20:07 |
| Demosthenex | g4570n: those are compatible with devuan? | 20:08 |
| g4570n | why not? try, there are jessie (jessie), stretch (ascii) and buster (beowulf) versions | 20:11 |
| Lipps | apt-get install libxnvctrl0 | 20:20 |
| Lipps | libxnvctrl0 is already the newest version (430.50-1) | 20:20 |
| Lipps | nvidia-settings : Depends: libxnvctrl0 (= 418.74-1) but 430.50-1 is to be installed | 20:20 |
| Lipps | ok i have a simple question | 20:20 |
| Lipps | why does a package maintainer specify = and not > ? | 20:21 |
| r3boot | that depends on the package manager and output format; ssome do | 20:21 |
| Lipps | should i email Debian NVIDIA Maintainers <pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org and tell them to not fucking require libxnvctrl0 (= 418.74-1) ? | 20:22 |
| Lipps | how about a patch to apt that will accept higher version numbers even if the fucking package specifies a particular one? | 20:24 |
| r3boot | lol, no, read what it said. nvidia-settings is linked to an old version of libxnvctrl0, so blame nvidia | 20:24 |
| r3boot | or even better, update (or deinstall) nvidia-settings | 20:24 |
| Lipps | i removed and reinstalled | 20:25 |
| Lipps | building from source now | 20:25 |
| golinux | Lipps: Settingds > Window Manager to choose the window frame | 20:28 |
| Lipps | libnvidia-gtk3.so.430.50 cannot open shared object file | 20:28 |
| golinux | Settings | 20:29 |
| Lipps | nah i'm back to fluxbox | 20:29 |
| Lipps | it works | 20:29 |
| Lipps | any of you running nvidia-settings on ceres? | 20:36 |
| Lipps | cp src/_out/Linux_x86_64/libnvidia-gtk3.so /usr/lib/libnvidia-gtk3.so.430.50 fixes the install btw | 20:39 |
| Lipps | and same with gtk2 | 20:40 |
| Lipps | can i help devuan by packaging this? | 20:41 |
| Lipps | i'll tell nvidia what they fucked up first | 20:41 |
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