| rehcla | hi all! Is Beowulf meaning Devuan Testing ? | 12:00 |
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| gnu_srs2 | rehcla: yes | 12:02 |
| rehcla | gnu_srs: thx | 12:04 |
| inklr | what's the devuan offtopic channel again? | 13:19 |
| Atari-Frosch | #debianfork | 13:21 |
| rehcla | so after upgrading from ascii to beowulf, in XFCE Window Decorations are missing and the mouse curser looks weird! This shouldt be a huge problem to solve... Anyone else saw this happening? | 13:23 |
| inklr | there was a significant xfce upgrade rehcla | 13:25 |
| inklr | lots of changes | 13:25 |
| inklr | #xfce is the best place to learn about them | 13:25 |
| rehcla | inklr: still 4.12 | 13:25 |
| inklr | i ended up switching back to fluxbox | 13:25 |
| inklr | eh | 13:25 |
| inklr | oh | 13:25 |
| inklr | big changes were 4.12-4.14 here - confused beowulf with ceres, sorry rehcla | 13:26 |
| rehcla | 4.14 would have impressed me :) | 13:26 |
| inklr | it impressed me also, but negatively | 13:26 |
| inklr | tabwin.c (the window switcher popup) stopped accepting my theme | 13:27 |
| inklr | i found where to hack it to dark, but other breakage was too annoying | 13:27 |
| rehcla | inklr: hmmm.... I am a little fed up with kde and gnome... so XFCE seemed a good choice.... Enlightment would also be interesting, but not available on devuan | 13:28 |
| inklr | i just realized i'm happier without a 'desktop environment' | 13:29 |
| rehcla | played around with fvwm2 and windowmaker, but to geeky as a daily DE | 13:29 |
| inklr | whatever works for you, as usual | 13:30 |
| rehcla | so here its only the window decorations... I cant even start the configuration for the windowmanager in XFCE.... After walking my dog, I will investigate futher | 13:31 |
| rehcla | btw, I only use defaut themes and sources... So no error to find in this direction | 13:35 |
| gnarface | rehcla: enlightenment 0.22 is available on beowulf, actually. | 14:03 |
| gnarface | ascii only has 0.17 though and it is in a package named "e17" instead | 14:03 |
| rehcla | gnarface: thank you for pointing that out | 14:44 |
| rehcla | ok | 14:45 |
| rehcla | regarding XFCE.... Just started XFWM manualy and everything is as it should be | 14:45 |
| rehcla | Now I need help! How can it be caused that xfwm4 is not started with XFCE and where can I set it right? | 14:50 |
| rehcla | brb | 14:56 |
| rehcla | seems the problem is solved!XFWM4 is started now by default | 14:58 |
| golinux | rehcla: Did you install desktop-base with Xfce? | 16:58 |
| golinux | You need that to get the default theme set up properly | 16:59 |
| rehcla | golinux: I did a standard install of ASCII with XFCE and then upgraded to Beowulf | 18:07 |
| rehcla | When evaluating what wrong, I found some similarities with fvwm2.... And fvwm has no windowmanager:) so I tried to start xfwm4 via konsole, and see, everything is fine now | 18:09 |
| rehcla | not konsole, terminal I mean | 18:09 |
| golinux | fsmithred: ^^^ | 18:10 |
| golinux | rehcla: The default Xfce desktop should look like this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2646 | 18:11 |
| golinux | Perhaps something is not translating properly in the upgrade. | 18:12 |
| golinux | Also, Beowulf is still a wip. | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | rehcla, can you show me what's in /etc/alternatives? Paste the output (don't post it here) of 'ls -l /etc/alternatives' | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | my best guess is that something is wrong with desktop-base | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | I can do a default ascii install and upgrade to beowulf probably tonight (in about 10 hours) | 18:19 |
| rehcla | fsmithred: https://pastebin.pl/view/e967a4a6 | 18:21 |
| rehcla | golinux: As i changed the default wallpaper, thats what differs to the screenshots in the forum.... the rest is the same | 18:22 |
| fsmithred | but for some reason xfwm is not starting? | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | the links all look correct | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | but I'll try it. I might not be remembering something. | 18:24 |
| rehcla | fsmithred: yes, until I started it manualy, xfwm4 was missing | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | you're using slim for a login manager? | 18:25 |
| rehcla | since I started it once via terminal, it starts anytime I log in | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | you mean on log out and log in, or do you mean after a reboot? | 18:26 |
| rehcla | didnt reboot till now | 18:26 |
| rehcla | wait, I do it right now | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | ok | 18:26 |
| rehcla | pulseaudio was also disabled | 18:26 |
| rehcla | started it via terminal, sound works fine | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | that shouldn't affect xfwm | 18:27 |
| rehcla | no:) | 18:27 |
| rehcla | brb | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | me too | 18:27 |
| rehcla | I can confirm that xfwm4 starts also after reboot! Maybe it has something to do that when I log out, the "save session setting" mark is checked | 18:29 |
| rehcla | pulseaudio is off | 18:29 |
| fsmithred | so now it works normally? | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | maybe a one-time glitch? I'll try to reproduce it later today. Or maybe earlier if we don't go anywhere. Everyone else is still asleep. | 18:35 |
| rehcla | ok | 18:36 |
| rehcla | let me know if I can help further | 18:37 |
| golinux | Happy to hear things seem to be working now. | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 18:37 |
| rehcla | "pulseaudio &" fixed the rest | 18:40 |
| rehcla | another thing.... services are stoped and started via the "service" command! How do I enable or disable system services? Too long ago for me^^ | 18:50 |
| fsmithred | two ways | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | service <name> stop|start|restart | 18:51 |
| rehcla | thats on the fly | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | or instead of 'service' use '/etc/init.d/<name> | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | oh | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | update-rc.d commands | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | or sysv-rc-conf | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | (checkboxes for the different runlevels) | 18:52 |
| rehcla | can you give me an example with disabling minissdpd? | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | an example for update-rc.d? maybe | 18:53 |
| rehcla | commandline | 18:54 |
| rehcla | yeah | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | nah, I'd have to look at the man page | 18:54 |
| rehcla | so can I | 18:54 |
| rehcla | thank you | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | update-rc.d gdm disable | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | might be right | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | been too long | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | I use sysv-rc-conf - I can remember where my arrow keys and space bar are located | 18:55 |
| rehcla | I did spend the last 4 years with OpenBSD... rcctl is nice | 18:55 |
| rehcla | but as much as I wanted it, its not a DesktopOS | 18:55 |
| r3boot | simple, reliable, predictable :P openbsd++ | 18:55 |
| r3boot | that does kind of depend on your standards. For a late 90s/early 00s unix desktop, it's mighty fine | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | desktop linux without systemd is exciting these days | 18:56 |
| rehcla | so when coming back to Linux, there was only one choice --> Devuan | 18:56 |
| golinux | :) | 18:57 |
| rehcla | fsmithred: I could upgrade my laptop from ascii to beowulf right now and see if there is the same issue as with my desktop (xfwm4) | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | I wouldn't do that with my laptop | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | well, right now that's the only computer I have | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | I'll test in VM | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | if you have a full backup and can fix it easily in case there are problems, then go for it | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | I've done several upgrades to beowulf of slightly leaner xfce installs without any trouble | 19:09 |
| rehcla | its for fun and helping the project! My really important data are somewhere else ;) | 19:10 |
| rehcla | fsmithred: Hereby I confirm upgrading the laptop ASUS UX303L without any xfwm4 problem, pulseaudio also seems "not running" out of the box | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | thanks. i don't know how pulseaudio is supposed to start | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | maybe something in /etc/default/ | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | Doing an install now. | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | rehcla, pulseaudio is running here on fresh install. | 20:53 |
| rehcla | hmmm | 20:54 |
| rehcla | 2 time not here | 20:54 |
| rehcla | one AMD and one Intel Chipset | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | oh wait, I'm still in ascii | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | I'll upgrade now | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | um, I'll upgrade later. I have to change my network connection. (Need to get a wire from another room.) | 20:59 |
| fsr | ok, my name changed <- rehcla | 21:26 |
| rehcla | :) | 21:26 |
| fsr | uh-oh, it's possible to run two instances of the same VM (same virtual disk) at once in qemu | 21:28 |
| rehcla | sure you can teach me some things there^^ | 21:28 |
| fsr | yeah, I can, because I just learned something else | 21:29 |
| fsr | it screws up the filesystem | 21:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, most fs-es don't like being mounted from multiple OS-es at the same time | 21:30 |
| rehcla | is xen also supported in devuan? | 21:30 |
| fsr | yes, same as debian | 21:31 |
| rehcla | ok | 21:31 |
| rehcla | just played around with it some time ago with opensuse... never got a booting kernel | 21:32 |
| rehcla | at the hostOS | 21:32 |
| fsr | ok, doesn't fsck have an option to bypass the questions and just fix the errors? | 21:33 |
| fsr | I'm not seeing it | 21:33 |
| rehcla | ext4? | 21:34 |
| rehcla | -a or -p | 21:34 |
| fsr | yeah, ext4 | 21:34 |
| fsr | nope. Had to hit enter a few times | 21:36 |
| fsr | dist-upgrade is running | 21:40 |
| fsr | going for coffee | 21:40 |
| rehcla | i have to pick up my wife! see you soon | 21:43 |
| fsr | rehcla, after dist-upgrade to beowulf, pulseaudio is installed, not running, but sound works | 22:47 |
| fsr | can play an audio file. Haven't tried firefox yet. | 22:47 |
| rehcla | same here | 22:47 |
| rehcla | works fine | 22:47 |
| rehcla | after starting it from a terminal | 22:47 |
| rehcla | until now beowulf makes a nice impression | 22:48 |
| fsr | yeah, sound works in firefox | 22:51 |
| fsr | and golinux will be pleased to hear that the themes upgraded correctly - grub, slim and desktop | 22:51 |
| rehcla | can confirm the theme thing too | 22:52 |
| * golinux breathes a sigh of relief . . . | 23:22 | |
| fsr | the upgrade was smooth and easy | 23:29 |
| fsr | all I did was change sources, update and dist-upgrade | 23:30 |
| fsr | once. | 23:30 |
| fsr | to be exact, I did 'apt update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' then reboot | 23:31 |
| fsr | also did 'apt autoremove' after boot | 23:31 |
| fsr | package count is above 1500, or around 100 more than in ascii | 23:31 |
| fsr | didn't check installed size, but that's probably bigger, too | 23:32 |
| rehcla | so when to expect a next stable release? :) | 23:34 |
| golinux | rehcla: After the ascii point-release | 23:35 |
| golinux | Which means rebuilding all the ascii isos and then the beowulf isos. Beowulf will likely have a beta release before the final | 23:36 |
| rehcla | ok | 23:40 |
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