Lipps | gprof? | 00:38 |
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systemdlete2 | censure, not censor | 02:53 |
FleaFart | I had to look it up | 03:05 |
FleaFart | To 'censor' means to remove, block, or interfere with the communication of another. To 'censure', on the other hand, means "to find fault with and criticize as blameworthy." | 03:05 |
TwoTall | me too | 03:05 |
FleaFart | ha ha, you are me | 03:05 |
furrywolf | and a censer is an incense burner. and a sensor is what your car always needs. and isn't english fun? :) | 03:17 |
systemdlete2 | the overall thrust of the email at the link suggests that the author believes in condemnation (censure) not censorship which is my own position | 03:20 |
systemdlete2 | and, yes, English is fun, but only when the word fun is in quotes | 03:21 |
* furrywolf didn't see any links or emails, just a discussion on homophones | 03:21 | |
systemdlete2 | there was not any such discussion here that I could see. | 03:22 |
systemdlete2 | Maybe you have better eyes? | 03:22 |
furrywolf | ? | 03:22 |
furrywolf | censure and censor are homophones. words that have the same sound. | 03:22 |
systemdlete2 | nope. censure is pronounced with "sh" | 03:23 |
systemdlete2 | like sen-shur | 03:23 |
onefang | Maybe the discussion is on #debianfork, or maybe it should be? B-) | 03:23 |
systemdlete2 | ah, that is it! | 03:23 |
systemdlete2 | (why I missed it) | 03:23 |
furrywolf | hrmm. is it a regional thing, and me and everyone I know has always mispronounced it? quite possible. well, fugeddaboutit y'all. :P | 03:24 |
golinux | Please take it to #debianfork | 03:28 |
Lipps | are any of you chatting in #debianfork? | 06:10 |
furrywolf | we've been talking about politics, genetically modified food, furry conventions, wifi hotspots,... | 06:12 |
golinux | It's been a huge waste of bandwidth | 06:29 |
CrystalMath | golinux: freenode's bandwidth | 06:30 |
golinux | Thank all of you for doing it there and not here. Waste of energy | 06:30 |
DonkeyHotei | irc? bandwidth? really? | 06:31 |
Lipps | i was just surprised that nobody was chatting about linux/foss things | 06:33 |
golinux | Please take it back to #debianfork | 06:34 |
systemdlete3 | there is a touchpad-indicator package for mate in ubuntu. Is that also avail for devuan? backports? | 07:11 |
systemdlete3 | I'd like to disable touchpad while typing -- I keep hitting the touchpad by accident while tryig to type | 07:11 |
systemdlete3 | and then switch it back on when desired. No hw switch on this T101A | 07:12 |
rrq | syndaemon ? | 07:13 |
systemdlete3 | mate tweak has a checkbox for enabling the touchpad indicator, but the checkbox itself is disabled | 07:14 |
rrq | you need the gui or the function? | 07:14 |
systemdlete3 | not sure, actually. I think the indicator shows up on the panel, and it can be clicked/touched | 07:15 |
systemdlete3 | the only indicator checkbox in tweak that is possible is the keyboard LED | 07:18 |
systemdlete3 | rrq: This is what the tweak program looks like: https://pasteboard.co/IBJB3UMZ.png | 07:24 |
rrq | I'm not a gui person | 07:27 |
systemdlete3 | thank you, rrq. syndaemon did the trick; added it to my startup | 07:38 |
buZz | man, all my devuan menus changed to red | 14:30 |
buZz | so ugly ;P | 14:30 |
dejdo | Hi! What would be the most comfortable way to acquire an 5.4 linux kernel package for a debian ceres machine? I'm comfortable with kernel compiling i'm not sure how to make it a .deb package. | 16:47 |
dejdo | or if I compile it just like that how to make it part of the initramfs. | 16:47 |
r3boot | dejdo: download the source package, change version numbers, rebuild, dpkg -i it | 16:50 |
fsmithred | I've used this guide for compiling kernels: forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 | 16:54 |
fsmithred | ..the debian way | 16:55 |
golinux | buZz: You don't like cinnabar? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2646 | 17:11 |
buZz | no | 17:12 |
golinux | Sorry about that. That's the first really negative feedback that I've gotten. | 17:13 |
buZz | i dont like red in general, nor forced style changes | 17:13 |
golinux | You can go back to darkpurpy | 17:13 |
buZz | i'll just figure out how to move to package defaults i guess | 17:14 |
buZz | probably those dont change often | 17:14 |
golinux | I don't like red either. Have avoided it my entire life but I LOVE this theme. Go figure | 17:14 |
golinux | Cinnabar is the default beowulf desktop | 17:14 |
golinux | Can we still be friends? | 17:15 |
golinux | Every new release will have a different color palette | 17:15 |
buZz | sure | 17:19 |
dejdo | r3boot: is there a source package for 5.3/5.4? | 18:40 |
fsmithred | dejdo, you should be able to get a source package for 5.3 from debian experimental repo | 19:00 |
fsmithred | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-5.3&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all | 19:02 |
Lipps | golinux: i've studied media informatics and do a fair amount of low-color art and i approve of 'cinnabar' | 19:06 |
Lipps | the colors remind of the 'Pyra' which will have a Devuan distro if i decide to get one | 19:07 |
fsmithred | bbl | 19:11 |
golinux | Lipps: :) | 19:23 |
Lipps | i think you can get devuan on the motorola droid 4 too | 19:33 |
dejdo | fsmithred: thanks | 20:07 |
saptech | hi all | 20:43 |
saptech | I'm trying to install some themes and it seems I need this, "gtk3-engines-unico" | 20:43 |
saptech | when I try to install it, I get this error msg, "No candidate version found for gtk3-engines-unico". I assume it's not in the repos | 20:44 |
saptech | any idea how I can get it installed? | 20:45 |
debdog | seems that's in sid only. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gtk3-engines-unico | 20:55 |
debdog | you might just download and "dpkg -i" it | 20:55 |
golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ is an easier way to search | 20:57 |
debdog | not here, it does not find that package at all. | 21:01 |
saptech | thanks guys | 21:04 |
gnarface | i would really advise against mixing unstable gtk3 theme engines with the stable distro | 21:07 |
gnarface | frankly i would suggest treating all the extraneous gtk engines with the highest degree of mistrust | 21:08 |
gnarface | but i gained that view from using them, so i'm not one to judge... | 21:08 |
gnarface | but some of them really aren't well done | 21:10 |
gnarface | some of them have lots of memory leaks | 21:10 |
saptech | I'm not going to try it | 21:10 |
saptech | looks like it's made more for ubuntu | 21:10 |
gnarface | there are a bunch in there, you can search like this: apt-cache search ^gtk.*eng | 21:11 |
gnarface | (apt-cache takes regexp syntax similar to grep) | 21:12 |
saptech | ok, thanks | 21:13 |
saptech | I was trying to get "trisquel-gtk-theme | 21:15 |
saptech | but it needs gtk3-engines-unico | 21:15 |
saptech | but I can do without it | 21:16 |
gnarface | hmm | 21:17 |
gnarface | i don't see that package either | 21:17 |
saptech | it's in the repos | 21:17 |
gnarface | hmmm. in non-free or contrib maybe? i'm not seeing it here... | 21:18 |
saptech | trisquel-gtk-theme : Depends: gtk3-engines-unico | 21:18 |
gnarface | or do you mean the ubuntu repos? | 21:18 |
gnarface | you might be better off building both packages | 21:19 |
gnarface | to avoid ABI conflicts | 21:19 |
saptech | I'm using ascii main, ascii-updates main, ascii-security main | 21:23 |
saptech | aptitude search trisquel-gtk-theme BB trisquel-gtk-theme - Trisquel gtk theme | 21:25 |
gnarface | hmm.... something seems wrong | 21:27 |
gnarface | saptech: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to me privately or to paste.debian.net? i want to sanity check it for you | 21:27 |
gnarface | don't paste it in-channel, you might get spam-kicked | 21:28 |
saptech | ok | 21:28 |
saptech | gnarface, https://bpaste.net/show/keqP | 21:29 |
saptech | I just noticed my source repos are commented out | 21:30 |
gnarface | saptech: could you use paste.debian.net please? | 21:30 |
gnarface | it doesn't have ads | 21:30 |
saptech | ok | 21:30 |
saptech | this doesn't either | 21:30 |
gnarface | if you already see your own mistake that's fine too | 21:30 |
saptech | at least I dont see any | 21:30 |
gnarface | or actually, know what? here i'll just paste this one: http://paste.debian.net/1106407/ | 21:31 |
saptech | http://paste.debian.net/1106408/ | 21:31 |
gnarface | should be working unless there is something weird with pkgmaster right now | 21:32 |
gnarface | mine is the same but points to the dns mirror round-robin | 21:32 |
saptech | what does that mean? | 21:33 |
saptech | round-robin | 21:33 |
gnarface | do you know what DNS is? | 21:33 |
saptech | yes | 21:33 |
gnarface | a "DNS round-robin" is a DNS entry that points to multiple IP addresses at once. DNS clients will only return you one of them at a time though, so this is commonly used as a way to load-balance incoming connections amongst multiple servers. make sense? | 21:34 |
saptech | yes | 21:34 |
gnarface | there are about a dozen servers in the round-robin list right now | 21:35 |
gnarface | i'm not seeing this trisquel-gtk-theme package anywhere though, so that is still a mystery | 21:35 |
saptech | I found it yesterday | 21:36 |
gnarface | not in ascii, not in ceres, not in backports... | 21:36 |
gnarface | did you accidentally get it from ubuntu somehow perhaps? | 21:36 |
saptech | that is strange | 21:36 |
gnarface | yea | 21:36 |
saptech | no | 21:36 |
gnarface | that's why i asked about your sources.list, i was expecting to see some foreign repos in there. | 21:37 |
gnarface | but as it stands, this is still unexplained | 21:37 |
gnarface | the missing dependency is completely expected in this situation though. | 21:37 |
gnarface | that part is no longer a mystery | 21:37 |
saptech | lol | 21:37 |
saptech | now just did an update and getting this message | 21:38 |
saptech | http://paste.debian.net/1106409/ | 21:38 |
saptech | well, updates work but I get msg when upgrade | 21:40 |
saptech | safe-upgrade | 21:40 |
gnarface | hmmm | 21:40 |
gnarface | you even stumped aptitude? interesting | 21:41 |
gnarface | something has gone really wrong here | 21:41 |
saptech | yes but everything worked yesterday | 21:41 |
saptech | no changes to sources.list | 21:41 |
gnarface | it looks strongly like a distro-mixing issue. can you think of any packages you might have installed from elsewhere? | 21:41 |
saptech | I thought maybe something going on with servers | 21:41 |
gnarface | that is a possibility, though usually ghost packages don't appear out of nowhere for only one person during server issues. usually server issues take the form of "package versions out of sync" or "package version not current" | 21:42 |
saptech | no | 21:42 |
gnarface | here, you have a package i can't find | 21:42 |
gnarface | it looks familiar | 21:42 |
gnarface | but like something i haven't seen since the 90's | 21:43 |
gnarface | there must be some explanation for how it even got in your package cache | 21:43 |
saptech | I installed trisquel-gtk-theme last night and then that's when the dependency for the ico theme | 21:43 |
gnarface | you don't have any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ do you? | 21:43 |
gnarface | ah | 21:43 |
gnarface | but where did you get the trisquel-gtk-theme package itself? | 21:43 |
saptech | let me check. I do use other distros so I'm not running Devuan daily | 21:44 |
saptech | this is listed in sources.list.d | 21:44 |
saptech | Jun 5 2018 devuan.list | 21:45 |
gnarface | just that one file? | 21:45 |
saptech | yes | 21:45 |
gnarface | what are the contents? | 21:45 |
saptech | http://paste.debian.net/1106412/ | 21:46 |
gnarface | hmm. not sure why that's there but it should be harmless in this case | 21:47 |
Jjp137 | it's created via here (assuming ascii but other versions may apply): https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/devuan-baseconf/blob/suites/ascii/debian/postinst#L59 | 21:47 |
Jjp137 | ...it's kinda useless tho so whatever | 21:47 |
gnarface | saptech: i dunno man, but you've got a real puzzle on your hands. my best advice at this point is to try hard to retrace your steps and figure out where that package came from | 21:47 |
gnarface | because that's where it's dependencies probably are | 21:48 |
saptech | ok | 21:48 |
saptech | my sources.list file is dated Jun 5 | 21:48 |
gnarface | if you can come up with that, then maybe you can rebuild the package safely to not unravel your whole installation | 21:48 |
saptech | 2818 | 21:48 |
gnarface | heh | 21:48 |
gnarface | well that might be just a mundane clock sync issue. | 21:49 |
gnarface | you said you use multiple distros on this machine right? if you're also dual-booting with windows, clock sync issues are expected under the default configuration | 21:49 |
saptech | that may be the time I installed devuan | 21:49 |
gnarface | if it's a new enough version of windows though, you can make it store time in UTC (the default for devuan and debian) | 21:50 |
gnarface | then there won't be clock sync issues between reboots | 21:50 |
saptech | at one time I had windows but not anymore | 21:50 |
gnarface | linux distros could have different settings on this | 21:50 |
gnarface | it's probably not a related issue though | 21:51 |
saptech | when I ran windows, my hdd got completely wiped, so after reinstalling distros, no windows :) | 21:51 |
gnarface | heh, ok | 21:51 |
gnarface | just making sure you're aware of the common pitfalls | 21:51 |
saptech | i'm retired and don't need it for work related | 21:51 |
saptech | yes I ran into that time sync issues before | 21:52 |
saptech | as far as I remember, I haven't made any changes to sources.list, I haven't added & removed any other distros repo to devuan, only small programs I may install from source | 21:53 |
gnarface | and you're sure this theme package isn't one of the things you built from source? | 21:54 |
saptech | correct. I was reading about trisquel themes yesterday and checked to see if it was in repo and it was | 21:55 |
gnarface | huh | 21:55 |
saptech | but the other one was missing | 21:55 |
gnarface | well things showing up and then disappearing in sid, or showing up without their dependencies ready yet, that's common. but not for ascii... | 21:55 |
saptech | if I change my repo to look like yours, will it make a difference? | 21:55 |
gnarface | probably not, but if you're right that there's a problem with pkgmaster right now, quite possibly | 21:56 |
gnarface | it's worth a try but don't expect much | 21:56 |
saptech | ok | 21:57 |
saptech | gnarface, my bad...silly me | 21:59 |
saptech | I did download the .deb file for it | 21:59 |
gnarface | ah ha! | 22:00 |
saptech | :( | 22:00 |
gnarface | so it is probably really massively out of date on dependencies | 22:00 |
saptech | so sorry | 22:00 |
gnarface | no problem. that makes the rest of this make 100% logical sense now | 22:01 |
saptech | when I ran, 'apt-cache search ^gtk.*eng', it's not showing up | 22:01 |
gnarface | yea, so it's a probably defuct gtk theme depending on a probably defunct gtk engine | 22:01 |
saptech | yes | 22:01 |
gnarface | at least, neither is in debian | 22:02 |
saptech | thanks for putting up with me | 22:02 |
gnarface | no worries | 22:02 |
gnarface | all hope is not lost, you will probably have to find source for that theme AND the gtk engine to build new packages from them though. some fixing of the packages may be required | 22:02 |
saptech | I may look into it...not high on the list :) | 22:03 |
gnarface | maybe they've been renamed to something else since then that IS in the debian repos | 22:03 |
saptech | I'm retired, have to relax now days...lol | 22:03 |
gnarface | anyway your best bet is to stick with packages already in the repo to avoid complications like this | 22:03 |
saptech | exactly | 22:04 |
gnarface | the stuff in the repo has all been fairly well tested to work together | 22:04 |
saptech | my memory not what it used to be, it one reason I retired from IT field | 22:04 |
saptech | but I worked mostly with mainframe support, 30 yrs | 22:05 |
Lipps | saptech: z-series? | 22:06 |
saptech | it was coming in as I was fading out | 22:06 |
Lipps | there's an emulator for those called 'hercules' :) | 22:06 |
Lipps | remember PLATO? | 22:07 |
saptech | no, do not remember | 22:07 |
saptech | when I started around 1990, large bank ran IBM 3090 | 22:08 |
saptech | but when I worked for insurance company they had some Zs | 22:09 |
saptech | which was 2011 | 22:09 |
saptech | by then I was burnt out | 22:09 |
gnarface | interestingly enough, it's complications just like this one that i attribute to enhancing my attention to detail | 22:10 |
gnarface | maybe it will work for you too | 22:10 |
gnarface | i've long suspected that commercial software was dumbing us all down, even the admins | 22:11 |
saptech | true | 22:11 |
saptech | they did use some emulations with PCs | 22:11 |
saptech | but I'll be 67 in Feb. and before I got into computers, I lived a hard life, sort to say, and old hippie :) | 22:12 |
saptech | I've been using Linux since around 2004 or so | 22:13 |
saptech | but was lazy and didnt look into coding type stuff | 22:13 |
Lipps | CIO for one company i worked-for was a concert cellist who ran a hippie commune in colorado | 22:13 |
saptech | lol | 22:13 |
Lipps | in his spare time he would do some of our pleb work to show us how fast it could be done | 22:14 |
Lipps | but offtopic chat to #debianfork | 22:15 |
Lipps | i am trying to make it better | 22:15 |
saptech | ok | 22:16 |
saptech | gnarface, did you look at the bpaste site? it have less info then the debian paste bin | 22:18 |
gnarface | saptech: nah i didn't look at it, sorry. getting really paranoid about all these new pastebins popping up and i'm about to attempt to fix the issue by making it worse | 22:19 |
saptech | understandable, I feel the same way | 22:20 |
gnarface | i just recommend paste.debian.net because we're already screwed if we can't trust their servers and there's no ads on it, so it minimizes additional attack surfaces | 22:21 |
saptech | ok | 22:23 |
gnarface | but the irony is not lost on me that the only real way to address this constructively is to make my own and throw it into the mix | 22:25 |
gnarface | thus, objectively worsening the situation | 22:26 |
saptech | gnarface, you're going to create your own paste bin? | 22:32 |
gnarface | well the thought was to make one then donate it to devuan, but they don't want a pastebin made out of php :-p | 22:38 |
gnarface | also i'm no designer, so it would be really ugly | 22:38 |
gnarface | i proposed that i simply clone the debian one but that was met with vehement opposition | 22:39 |
saptech | really | 22:39 |
gnarface | yea, but i didn't really try to force it through official channels. i just asked around a bit | 22:40 |
Lipps | i know someone from the FOSS community who is funding his own pastebin @ 60€/week | 22:40 |
gnarface | wait | 22:40 |
gnarface | to make it or to host it? | 22:40 |
Lipps | he developed it, put the stuff on github, and hosts it | 22:40 |
gnarface | seems expensive? | 22:41 |
Lipps | it's getting used | 22:41 |
gnarface | i guess that's what counts | 22:41 |
Lipps | if i did one, the rule would be only FOSS software support media, text, pics and images | 22:42 |
Lipps | i'd use his git though, good work | 22:42 |
gnarface | noted | 22:42 |
Lipps | there's also transfer.sh | 22:43 |
gnarface | that one i have heard of | 22:44 |
Lipps | usually i just curl -F'file=@'$1 http://0x0.st | 22:45 |
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