| Wikiwide | I am tired of dependency hell. I am using aptitude, that should help a little with understanding of dependencies. But still... | 00:43 |
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| Wikiwide | I am moving from Debian Stretch to Devuan Ascii. Yesterday, I had wicd working. Today, after reboot, I don't have Internet at all. | 00:49 |
| Wikiwide | And given that Ethernet should be super easy to configure... | 00:52 |
| gnarface | go on | 00:58 |
| gnarface | need more info | 00:58 |
| Wikiwide | That's just, wow. Ifconfig doesn't seem to know of any interfaces outside lo. | 01:01 |
| Wikiwide | /etc/network/interfaces contains only auto lo. Should it contain auto eth0 , or something? | 01:02 |
| Wikiwide | And, I managed to run wicd-gtk, despite having no taskbar or launchers or anything. Because I have psensors on start-up, and I put wicd-gtk into 'alarm' of psensors. | 01:02 |
| Wikiwide | And, /etc/default/grub contains net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 | 01:03 |
| Wikiwide | So I would expect eth0 to be in existence, not enp4s0 | 01:04 |
| gnarface | it is strange | 01:05 |
| gnarface | can you think of anything at all that might have changed? | 01:05 |
| gnarface | wifi can be fickle... | 01:06 |
| Wikiwide | What changed... I tried to move from Debian Stretch to Devuan Ascii, which included move from Networkmanager to Wicd and uninstall of libpam-systemd (and hence policykit) | 01:07 |
| gnarface | the device disappearing though... that seems difficult to explain without a change to kernel/drivers/firmware | 01:07 |
| Wikiwide | Yes, Ethernet | 01:07 |
| gnarface | now wicd may store its config elsewhere... | 01:07 |
| gnarface | that may explain the /etc/network/interfaces thing | 01:07 |
| Wikiwide | See change to grub | 01:07 |
| gnarface | does "/sbin/ifconfig -a" show you anything other than lo? | 01:08 |
| Wikiwide | Used https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/02/msg01362.html to set eth0 as dhcp, works now. | 01:09 |
| Wikiwide | Wicd agrees | 01:10 |
| golinux | Wikiwide: There are notes about stretch > ascii here and network configuration too: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ | 01:11 |
| golinux | Ah I see you fixed it while I was typing. | 01:12 |
| Wikiwide | Now that I have Internet... What should I install to get taskbar/menuvdesktop/launchers? Because so far, I have only Debian wallpaper, and no way to launch anything. | 02:02 |
| golinux | Wikiwide: I have no idea how you migrated but I suggest that you look at the documentation here: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ Sounds like you might have missed something: | 02:23 |
| Wikiwide | Going into shutdown after installing matchbox. Should provide something, at least. | 02:28 |
| Wikiwide | Matchbox is interesting, but practically unusable with two displays of different resolutions. | 03:08 |
| Wikiwide | Mate is currently unusable because any attempts to install task-mate-desktop is causing apt-get to install slim? And I already have lightdm, I don't want slim yet. | 03:18 |
| Wikiwide | Installed xfce, will see how that goes. But I still want sawfish for window manager, not xfwm or something. | 03:19 |
| Jjp137 | for mate, try installing it directly and not through the task package; I see a mate-desktop-environment package, so maybe try that? | 03:20 |
| Jjp137 | but xfce isn't a bad choice (and is the default one in the installer anyway) | 03:21 |
| Wikiwide | Xfce looks interesting, yes. No idea how to set a different image instead of mouse in top left corner. | 03:43 |
| Wikiwide | About xscreensaver: power management : off after 6 minutes is only about monitor, not shut down? | 03:44 |
| Oksana | I am doing dist-upgrade from Debian Stretch to Devuan Ascii . UPower.conf is significantly different. What should I do? | 06:06 |
| * Oksana thinks of getting the new one, since surely package maintainers knew what they were doing when they were writing it. | 06:06 | |
| furrywolf | if you haven't customized them yourself, you should generally use new versions of config files. | 06:07 |
| Oksana | I might have customised it, but only slightly. So I would rather use the new one, yes... | 06:07 |
| HumanGeek | Evilham, | 10:22 |
| HumanGeek | you remember my ssh issue | 10:23 |
| HumanGeek | its vanish alone | 10:23 |
| HumanGeek | with unattended-upgrade | 10:23 |
| Evilham | HumanGeek: yup, there were some updates to SSH I thought about asking because one re-enabled some ciphers | 10:32 |
| Evilham | and thought it could be your issue | 10:32 |
| HumanGeek | so this can happen again in the future | 10:33 |
| HumanGeek | where do you follow news about it ? | 10:33 |
| Evilham | HumanGeek: I think maybe this was related https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2019/msg00193.html | 11:09 |
| HumanGeek | ok thx | 11:10 |
| Evilham | HumanGeek: if you want to be up to date on such things, you probably want debian-security-announce and debian-announce, those are low-traffic and often relevant | 11:10 |
| HumanGeek | i need more time to read all stuff like that | 11:10 |
| Evilham | it really is low traffic | 11:11 |
| Evilham | and you read hilarious things like this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2019/msg00194.html | 11:11 |
| onefang | I use the RSS feed https://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long | 11:11 |
| james1138 | General question about Devuan Beowulf. When the ISO becomes available... will it use the newer XFCE 4.14? | 16:53 |
| r3boot | 4.12 from the looks of it: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=xfce4&release=beowulf | 16:55 |
| mason | Evilham: I've never trusted sudo for that kind of function. Easy enough to write a SUID wrapper for that kind of thing, if you really need it. | 17:01 |
| james1138 | Thanks r3boot. Just wondering. From what I have seen on online - XFCE 4.14 still seems to have a few "glitches". | 17:22 |
| r3boot | james1138: I run it under OpenBSD, works just fine | 17:30 |
| r3boot | (4.14 that is) | 17:30 |
| yeti | https://hackaday.com/2019/10/16/pack-your-bags-systemd-is-taking-you-to-a-new-home/ | 19:14 |
| tom_work | hello, I'm on my clean workstation and for some reason apt is not able to find ceres | 19:25 |
| tom_work | $ apt-get source -t ceres mysql-workbench | 19:25 |
| tom_work | Reading package lists... Done | 19:25 |
| tom_work | E: The value 'ceres' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources | 19:25 |
| tom_work | despite having deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ceres main in sources.list and running apt update | 19:25 |
| tom_work | any ideas what this means? | 19:26 |
| xrogaan | ceres isn't devuan? | 20:22 |
| xrogaan | or is it? | 20:22 |
| xrogaan | ceres sounds like a debian name | 20:22 |
| xrogaan | or, it is. | 20:23 |
| xrogaan | Sorry, pretty tired here. | 20:26 |
| xrogaan | Ceres is a devuan release, but people are busy with beowulf right now. | 20:26 |
| zellkou | I had the same issue with my fresh install. I swapped ceres for unstable in sources.list and and fixed it | 20:27 |
| mason | https://devuan.org/os/releases | 20:27 |
| tom_work | xrogaan, I'm trying to build a modern version of mysql-workbench to work with the latest stable MariaDB server release | 20:32 |
| tom_work | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ceres/ceres/mysql-workbench_8.0.17+dfsg-2.html | 20:32 |
| tom_work | I'm on ASCII building a backport | 20:32 |
| xrogaan | Did you try the zellkou method? :P | 20:34 |
| tom_work | oh | 20:34 |
| tom_work | $ apt source -t unstable mysql-workbench | 20:37 |
| tom_work | Reading package lists... Done | 20:37 |
| tom_work | E: The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources | 20:37 |
| tom_work | E: Unable to find a source package for | 20:37 |
| tom_work | deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged unstable main | 20:38 |
| xrogaan | is mysql-workbench in main? | 20:39 |
| golinux | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=mysql-workbench&release=any | 20:40 |
| xrogaan | I don't know, and I need to sleep. | 20:41 |
| * xrogaan pushes golinux towards tom_work | 20:41 | |
| xrogaan | ;) | 20:45 |
| zellkou | tom_work can I see your sources.list? | 20:45 |
| tom_work | zellkou, http://dpaste.com/107P5NX | 20:47 |
| zellkou | ok now this is getting interesting. I was using deb.devuan.org so I swapped it over to pkgmaster.devuan.org and was able to copy and paster your command and it ran without any problems | 20:51 |
| golinux | Maybe there is some pinning interfering? | 20:55 |
| zellkou | shouldn't "-t unstable" override any pinning? | 21:03 |
| EHeM | Hopefully this has already been noticed, but the amd64 variants of Apache are missing (everything non-amd64 is at 2.4.25-3+deb9u9, amd64 only has 2.4.25-3+deb9u8). | 21:04 |
| zellkou | tom_work are you getting any errors when you run apt update? | 21:06 |
| Jjp137 | EHeM, I think I know why; are you using either pkgmaster.devuan.org or deb.devuan.org in your sources.list? | 21:16 |
| EHeM | Jjp137: Presently us.deb.devuan.org, which was correct as of a few months ago; did things get randomly changed *again*??? | 21:37 |
| tom_work | zellkou, no | 21:38 |
| golinux | There is no us mirror atm | 21:39 |
| golinux | There has never been one | 21:39 |
| mason | But there is a cname. | 21:39 |
| mason | us.devuan.org is an alias for www.devuan.org. | 21:39 |
| golinux | EHeM: ^^^ | 21:40 |
| mason | us.deb.devuan.org is an alias for pkgmaster.devuan.org. | 21:40 |
| mason | sorry, got the wrong us | 21:40 |
| golinux | But there is no mirror to connect to | 21:40 |
| golinux | EHeM: Use deb.devuan.org instead or choose another mirror from the list https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 21:41 |
| Jjp137 | the problem affects deb.devuan.org anyway (see #devuan-dev) | 21:42 |
| EHeM | golinux: As of a few months ago that was the recommended setup. | 21:42 |
| mason | Jjp137: Just updated from pkgmaster, still seing 8 there. | 21:42 |
| golinux | Yes, and it was a mistake, error, whatever you want to call it. | 21:43 |
| mason | oh, yoiu'd noted that, right right | 21:43 |
| golinux | It has been corrected on every instance of the website and install documentation. | 21:43 |
| mason | It's still in the installer, at least until the point release. | 21:44 |
| golinux | In the point release we are recommending deb.devuan.org and referring to the mirror list posted above to choose a CC mirror. | 21:44 |
| golinux | More testers pre-release would reduce these kind of oversights. | 21:46 |
| golinux | EHeM: I know the corrections have been made because I did them myself. If I missed one, please ping me. | 21:47 |
| EHeM | golinux: The dual hopes of using <country>.deb.devuan.org are that you hopefully get nearer mirrors which are faster and use less bandwidth, even if they point to the big round-robin they should be kept so that in the future if that becomes a big deal everything is already in place. | 21:53 |
| golinux | deb.devuan.org is the round-robin address | 21:56 |
| tom_work | there are no US mirrors and pkgmaster is the fastest and most reliable mirror for US users right now | 22:06 |
| tom_work | that is why i'm using that | 22:06 |
| tom_work | the other ones have constant issues | 22:06 |
| golinux | Pkgmaster is the root of everything else | 22:07 |
| tom_work | anything from not being a perfect faithful copy of master to TCP throughput having major issues due to routing issues | 22:07 |
| bob38 | Anyone there? | 22:32 |
| gnarface | there's always someone here, bob38 | 22:34 |
| gnarface | but you have to try to be interesting to guarantee a response | 22:34 |
| gnarface | (try asking specific questions, but be patient. it's still often slow around here) | 22:35 |
| tom_work | any ideas why I can't pull the source of ceres/unstable of mysql-workbench? | 23:13 |
| gnarface | do you get an error? | 23:14 |
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