| buZz | eyalroz: > sa1 - Collect and store binary data in the system activity daily data file. | 00:37 |
|---|---|---|
| buZz | > Please refer to the /usr/share/doc/sysstat/README.Debian file for details. | 00:38 |
| eyalroz | buZz: But does that really need to pollute my logs so much? | 01:05 |
| buZz | eyalroz: i'd guess 'no' :) | 01:06 |
| eyalroz | ... so why would this be happening? Is there someplace I could go look for actual error messages? | 01:07 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: isn't it optional? | 01:56 |
| gnarface | i would assume you could just uninstall it if you don't want it | 01:57 |
| gnarface | but there is probably a way to make it log somewhere else | 01:57 |
| Nagerst | I need a link to a mirror of devuan ascii in nothern europe that has the netinst iso. Ansy suggestions? | 03:24 |
| Nagerst | I am in Sapmi so norwegian, swedish or finnish sources should be fast | 03:24 |
| Nagerst | Hope the iso also has the firmware, since i am using a mediatek wifi device (works with ubuntu 12.04) | 03:25 |
| Nagerst | on the official mirrors i can only find the huge versionjs that include xfce | 03:30 |
| golinux | Nagerst: You can choose a mirror here https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 04:10 |
| golinux | Oh wrong mirrors. Try this page https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 04:11 |
| golinux | The netinst iso will allow you to choose the DE | 04:13 |
| systemdlete | dhcpcd is not sending host-name to my router. It would be a nice touch if it did. | 04:53 |
| systemdlete | minor, but annoying, and apparently -- from what I've been seeing in google searches for a solution -- this is further damage from the transition to u-no-wot | 04:54 |
| Sirius32Black | Hola, buen dia | 12:07 |
| systemdlete3 | interface eth0 already configured | 12:14 |
| systemdlete3 | ??? | 12:14 |
| systemdlete3 | I've gotten rid of connman and wifi | 12:14 |
| systemdlete3 | I have my /etc/network/interfaces config'd as I want, and it gives me the correct result | 12:15 |
| systemdlete3 | (I'm on it now!) | 12:15 |
| systemdlete3 | so I don't get it. Did something configure eth0 before the init script did? | 12:15 |
| systemdlete3 | I mean I got rid of connman and wicd | 12:21 |
| nemo | systemdlete: what's enabled in /etc/defaults/networking ? | 13:44 |
| nemo | I gotta say I'm not really sure what the question was ☺ but, yeah, seeing the file might help | 13:45 |
| omnio | I think he was asking why the boot message was "interface eth0 *ALREADY* configured" | 13:55 |
| omnio | well, it says the same on my machine and I use connman | 13:58 |
| omnio | maybe /etc/init.d/networking is running "ifup" twice or something | 14:05 |
| fsmithred | or udev vs. ifup | 14:17 |
| fsmithred | allow-hotplug or auto? | 14:17 |
| fsmithred | systemdlete, systemdlete2 ^^^ | 14:18 |
| fsmithred | I've seen that same message and ignored it because everything is working | 14:19 |
| systemdlete2 | hold on... | 14:19 |
| systemdlete2 | why would the init script run twice? Anyway, I DO ignore the message, but it is rather worrisome | 14:19 |
| systemdlete2 | I mean, I watch error messages in the boot, and when I see that, I think, gee, maybe my network connection is messed up somehow | 14:20 |
| systemdlete2 | My network connection actually does work, but that error says something is amiss. | 14:21 |
| fsmithred | what's in /etc/network/interfaces? allow-hotplug or auto? | 14:22 |
| systemdlete2 | http://paste.debian.net/1111661/ | 14:23 |
| systemdlete2 | maybe it needs to be auto | 14:24 |
| systemdlete2 | I converted it from the dhcp config it was originally when I installed the VM. | 14:24 |
| systemdlete2 | I'll try auto and see if the message goes away | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=6783#p6783 | 14:25 |
| systemdlete2 | that might not apply at this point for me, because I've changed the connection from dhcp to static | 14:26 |
| systemdlete2 | But I will change it to auto | 14:26 |
| fsmithred | allow-hotplug causes udev to bring up the interface | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | then I guess ifup tries and sees that it's already up | 14:27 |
| systemdlete2 | ifup being called from the init script? | 14:27 |
| systemdlete2 | that makes sense | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | that's my best guess | 14:29 |
| systemdlete2 | I wonder if I need that line at all | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | I think you need a line there, not necessarily that one | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | could be auto or manual | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | if manual, you need to bring it up yourself | 14:31 |
| fsmithred | try with nothing on that line and see what happens | 14:31 |
| systemdlete2 | nah. I'll take your word... | 14:31 |
| systemdlete2 | busy trying to install and configure bareos atm | 14:32 |
| fsmithred | my word is a guess | 14:32 |
| fsmithred | ah, ok | 14:32 |
| systemdlete2 | good enough for me | 14:32 |
| systemdlete2 | thanks buddy | 14:32 |
| systemdlete2 | That done did it! Thanks nemo, omnio, fsmithred. | 14:33 |
| fsmithred | :) | 14:40 |
| james1138 | FYI: New Stable kernels 5.3.8, 4.19.81, 4.14.151, 4.9.198, and 4.4.198 have been released. https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ | 17:34 |
| jordila | i have a tiny server on Devuan Ascii ... , may i just change source.list repos to Beowulf in order to upgrade ? | 18:15 |
| * jordila originally it was Debian Stretch , then went -> Devuan Ascii... Beowulf ^^ ? | 18:17 | |
| * jordila is reading... https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=214961 | 18:18 | |
| systemdlete | any chance of getting bareos-webui packaged? | 18:19 |
| golinux | systemdlete2: Sure, if you do it. :) | 18:24 |
| systemdlete | sorry lost my desktop... | 18:25 |
| systemdlete | pardon | 18:25 |
| * jordila read on the Devuan news that after Ascii 2.1 ... 3.0 Beowulf would come after in time, right ? | 21:16 | |
| jordila | Yet... i'm wondering if actually is it possible to unmh...ona simple GLAMP tiny server Devuan Ascii powered ... , may i just change /apt/sources.list repos to Beowulf in order to upgrade ? Please, correct me if i'm wrong. | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | jordila, yes you can change ascii to beowulf in sources.list update and dist-upgrade | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | it usually works, depending on what you have installed. | 21:19 |
| fsmithred | should be pretty easy without a desktop | 21:19 |
| jordila | hey fsmithred... let's try, then. It's just some PHP, Apache, MAriaDB... and bla | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | you got a backup of the data? | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | if so, go for it | 21:20 |
| jordila | sure, it's a VPS... | 21:20 |
| jordila | easy snapshootting | 21:21 |
| jordila | Other question that came up to my mind... after giving a taste / try to beautiful and lean Desktop KDE Neon experience... | 21:22 |
| jordila | The community did it, ... more and more loving the KDE Plasma/Neon Desktop UX user friendliness at no (heavy) computing cost ? I've got it on Debian Testing (Sid)... temporarily... So, i'm asking myself... while Beowulf is based on Buster(stable), may Ceres be based on Bullseye(Sid|Testing)... right ? In any case, is there a way to get to something like such a lovely Frankestein as KDE Neon Ceres would be .. or may have i dreamed ? In | 21:24 |
| jordila | other words, how to get latest (5.16) KDE Plasma Desktop on our beloved Devuan GNU+Linux "Freedom, your way..." OS ? | 21:24 |
| gnarface | i'm assuming you'd have to compile it yourself | 21:26 |
| gnarface | if it's even too new for ceres, you have to compile it yourself | 21:26 |
| gnarface | and yes, ceres is based on sid | 21:27 |
| gnarface | sid is unstable though, not testing | 21:27 |
| jordila | sure gnarface | 21:29 |
| minnesotags1 | I may want to try this KDE desktop. I've got the xfce one and i3. What do I need to install/uninstall. I'm not giving up the i3, but xfce is meaningless to me and really ugly. | 21:56 |
| jordila | well ugly, no ... is simply and functional, until you get to know KDE Plasma ? Still, Xfce is umh... is it lighter than GNOME and KDE ? (the X game is changing - 'watch your step'... ) | 22:00 |
| tuxd3v | jordila, that is true, but kde is huge.. | 22:01 |
| fsmithred | minnesotags1, install kde-plasma-desktop to get the basics | 22:01 |
| fsmithred | task-kde-desktop to get every bit of bloat | 22:01 |
| tuxd3v | if you want a lean os, you need to loose functionality.. | 22:01 |
| fsmithred | in either case, you should probably remove xfce first | 22:01 |
| tuxd3v | for that fluxbox, is the way to go.. | 22:01 |
| tuxd3v | they are comming to wayland also.. | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | xfce and kde use different polkit backends. See the info in the release notes about that. | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | gotta run. bbl. | 22:02 |
| tuxd3v | so having xfce and also fluxbox( which is nice for arm sbc boards.. ) | 22:02 |
| jordila | tuxd3v ... 'that is true, but kde is huge..' this is changing ... KDE Plasma is slowly getting lighter... | 22:02 |
| tuxd3v | is nice.. | 22:02 |
| tuxd3v | I stoped to use kde above kde 3 or 3.5 | 22:03 |
| * jordila ... KDE Plasma 5.17 ^^ | 22:03 | |
| tuxd3v | they got in the wrong way.. | 22:03 |
| jordila | i know... i know... may they have learnt some lessons today ? | 22:03 |
| tuxd3v | what is the amount of ram that you need to have for it? | 22:04 |
| minnesotags1 | argh. Removing is the hard part. what packages are xfce? | 22:04 |
| ]BFG[ | fluxbox is the way to go for anything | 22:06 |
| ]BFG[ | FLUXBOX ROXXX� | 22:06 |
| ]BFG[ | FLUXBOX ROXXX�� | 22:06 |
| ]BFG[ | FLUXBOX ROXXX�� | 22:06 |
| ]BFG[ | FLUXBOX ROXXX� | 22:06 |
| golinux | minnesotags1: Maybe task-xfce-desktop | 22:06 |
| golinux | ? | 22:06 |
| ]BFG[ | my favorite vm over 12 years | 22:06 |
| ]BFG[ | xfce was good at start | 22:06 |
| ]BFG[ | but these days | 22:07 |
| ]BFG[ | i dont know what that monstrosity got to | 22:07 |
| ]BFG[ | maybe got plagued by shitD as well | 22:07 |
| ]BFG[ | you know there is always a jerkoff whizkid who thinks he can change the world through creating something shittier what it was | 22:08 |
| ]BFG[ | thats what systemd is a pure pile of shit made by a retard | 22:08 |
| jordila | stop it | 22:08 |
| ]BFG[ | and all the vms these days gnome kde and whatnot | 22:08 |
| tuxd3v | jBFG[: that is true, xfce is starting to go, in the wild way with bit swats of ram consumed.. | 22:08 |
| ]BFG[ | they will not ever compete with m$ | 22:09 |
| tuxd3v | but let they port if to gtk3 completly | 22:09 |
| golinux | Please take those OT rants to #debianforkl | 22:09 |
| ]BFG[ | they are like 0.1% compared to mS windows | 22:09 |
| tuxd3v | we will se at the end.. | 22:09 |
| golinux | This is a davuan support channel | 22:09 |
| golinux | devuan really | 22:09 |
| tuxd3v | Anyway fluxbox, is the leaner of both | 22:09 |
| tuxd3v | so I assume its a good choice toa 2nd desktop | 22:09 |
| ]BFG[ | so these retards play on a cesspool, for M$ all linux vms are nothing | 22:10 |
| tuxd3v | option | 22:10 |
| golinux | If anyone has the last word, it will be me | 22:10 |
| ]BFG[ | they are like dirt on your shoe | 22:10 |
| ]BFG[ | and thats a fact | 22:10 |
| ]BFG[ | for linux guys we dont need kde gnome just simple easy vms | 22:10 |
| tuxd3v | as a primary option, I believbe that xfe is still the best option.. | 22:10 |
| ]BFG[ | like blackbox icevm fluxbox fvwm | 22:10 |
| ]BFG[ | we dont need windows like shit and this cretin harry potter he brings in an abomination | 22:10 |
| tuxd3v | So having xfce, and fluxbox as options its very nice | 22:11 |
| ]BFG[ | and he does it for nothinglooool | 22:11 |
| ]BFG[ | Laughs Out Loud | 22:11 |
| ]BFG[ | he accomplished nothing | 22:11 |
| ]BFG[ | 0 | 22:11 |
| ]BFG[ | null | 22:11 |
| ]BFG[ | nada | 22:11 |
| ]BFG[ | fuck him | 22:11 |
| tuxd3v | has fluxbox also verve asa good( the best ) options for ARM sbc's | 22:11 |
| ]BFG[ | kill this fuck | 22:11 |
| FleaFart | This is not the place to be hostile | 22:12 |
| tuxd3v | And in Devuan, we support x86 and aarch32,aarch64 | 22:13 |
| tuxd3v | so xfce and Fluxbox are nice options | 22:13 |
| * FleaFart I love Devuan | 22:13 | |
| * tuxd3v me too | 22:14 | |
| FleaFart | In my dreams I dream of using a Devuan Browser and watching lots of ... | 22:15 |
| FleaFart | code | 22:15 |
| minnesotags1 | Lol. I'm taking a sledgehammer to this machine removing xfce *xfce*, etc. | 22:15 |
| golinux | Please take it to #debianfork | 22:15 |
| minnesotags1 | What is the "default" desktop for Devuan? Surely that is on topic? | 22:16 |
| * tuxd3v I am sorry to debate, options, I tough we would have a calm discussion, I am the one to blame, sorry for that. | 22:18 | |
| golinux | Xfce | 22:27 |
| golinux | minnesotags1: ^^^ | 22:27 |
| golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2646 | 22:28 |
| minnesotags1 | Ok. I remember starting with lxde in the first "alpha" Devuan. | 22:28 |
| minnesotags1 | but I think even then xfce was "default"? | 22:28 |
| golinux | lxde is no longer an option because it does not play well with the backend work-arounds | 22:28 |
| minnesotags1 | What was the lime and purple one? | 22:28 |
| golinux | Yes. Xfce has always been the default | 22:29 |
| golinux | leafy never made it to prime time | 22:29 |
| minnesotags1 | I think lxde became lxqt? | 22:29 |
| golinux | Yes. We do offer that. | 22:29 |
| golinux | Haven't see you for a long time. Welcome home | 22:30 |
| minnesotags1 | I only rarely boot into anything except i3wm | 22:30 |
| minnesotags1 | I'm now a working pro systems engineer, meaning I can only run Devuan on machines that "work well with others". | 22:30 |
| minnesotags1 | Or work completely without others.... | 22:31 |
| minnesotags1 | At least I've trashcanned all the Fedora and Ubuntu servers.... | 22:31 |
| * golinux claps | 22:32 | |
| golinux | Well done! | 22:32 |
| minnesotags1 | I tried to be a team player, but Ubuntu netman was the end for me. This junk has GOT TO GO! | 22:33 |
| fsmithred | lxde is still lxde | 22:55 |
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