| Walex | mason: USB audio is a good idea, and built-in audio is in effect a "fixed" PCI card. | 01:01 |
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| Walex | mason: there can be meany reasons for pops, and usually they are either PCI latency settings or insufficient ALSA buffering. | 01:02 |
| Walex | mason: check these sections: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#issues | 01:02 |
| Walex | http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubles | 01:02 |
| xrogaan | are devuan cloaks still being given? | 02:12 |
| * xrogaan pings golinux | 02:14 | |
| brabo | xrogaan: looks like devuan made it through the freenode procedure for cloaks. so at project group managers discretion should be doable | 02:14 |
| xrogaan | Some time ago, some were given to people, but I didn't jump on the occasion. | 02:15 |
| brabo | i can imagine GMs not wanting to jump every week for a single one | 02:16 |
| brabo | ;) | 02:16 |
| brabo | but afaik there's no limit or so | 02:16 |
| ukine | heh true | 02:16 |
| xrogaan | it was at a time when I used a bnc | 02:16 |
| golinux | xrogaan: Possibly. Ask freenode | 02:17 |
| brabo | xrogaan: hm so you had one of them gateway cloaks which.. override project cloaks? | 02:17 |
| brabo | golinux: no, a project GM must request one for a project participant | 02:17 |
| brabo | not the user | 02:17 |
| xrogaan | brabo: exactly | 02:17 |
| brabo | unaffiliated cloaks are the only ones a user can request themselves | 02:18 |
| brabo | unless it all changed | 02:18 |
| xrogaan | I tell myself I need a raspberry to take care of all the presence thing. | 02:18 |
| golinux | parazyd was doing that at one point. | 02:18 |
| golinux | Haven't seen him in a very long time. What have you contributed to Devuan, perhaps under another nick? | 02:19 |
| ukine | do you mean a raspberry pi for communications? for a second i thought an actual raspberry would make you satiated enough to do it yourself heh | 02:19 |
| brabo | xrogaan: if you have a very stable home connection, may be | 02:19 |
| xrogaan | it's alright | 02:20 |
| ukine | those olinuxino's have a much more open/free/secure design than the pi's if you're informed enough to believe that broadcomm is big bro | 02:20 |
| ukine | but having powers that be watching over you isn't all too scary… | 02:21 |
| brabo | also, afaik they do not have usb and ethernet on the same bus | 02:21 |
| brabo | though someone told me the 4th pi incarnation actually had that fixed | 02:21 |
| ukine | noice | 02:21 |
| brabo | well, at least 2 iterations too late to keep folk interested for any serious use | 02:21 |
| brabo | ;) | 02:22 |
| golinux | This is not really Devuan related chat so #debianfork might be a better place | 02:22 |
| ukine | true thank you golinux | 02:22 |
| tuxd3v | have been for a lot of configs and trycks and still...my usb scanner is not working.. | 02:57 |
| tuxd3v | it was under debian 7 | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | can't put it to work.. | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | hpf4280 | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | itsa combo printer and scanner.. | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | Configured /etc/saned.conf | 02:59 |
| tuxd3v | /etc/net.conf | 02:59 |
| tuxd3v | /etc/default/saned | 02:59 |
| tuxd3v | xinet service, but stil no joice.. | 02:59 |
| xrogaan | It worked before? | 03:01 |
| tuxd3v | yup | 03:01 |
| tuxd3v | but I also had a printer server, here I have only focused in the scanner | 03:01 |
| xrogaan | Do you remember the version of the software you used when it worked? | 03:01 |
| xrogaan | By printer server, you mean CUPS or a machine? | 03:02 |
| tuxd3v | I mean a scanner server | 03:04 |
| tuxd3v | software to connect to my usb scanner | 03:04 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 03:04 |
| tuxd3v | to share it in the network.. | 03:04 |
| tuxd3v | the device is there: | 03:26 |
| tuxd3v | crw-rw---- 1 root lp 180, 0 Dec 3 02:23 /dev/usb/lp0 | 03:26 |
| tuxd3v | still no joice.. | 03:26 |
| tuxd3v | sane-utils package is not present in armel :( | 03:54 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/XIfsE41X | 03:54 |
| rrq | sane-utils is available on beowulf/main | 04:02 |
| tuxd3v | but in armel? | 04:03 |
| tuxd3v | or only in amd64 ? | 04:03 |
| rrq | armel (as well) | 04:03 |
| tuxd3v | rrq, I also see it in armel...but when trying to download it, it fails :( | 04:03 |
| rrq | right .. it did install for me (just now) | 04:06 |
| rrq | on an armel | 04:06 |
| tuxd3v | wait.. now it worked.. but ended with errors.. | 04:06 |
| tuxd3v | weird | 04:06 |
| rrq | I have a memory that somewhere on the timeline since [before] udev/saned started to use "facl"(?) for access permission ... | 04:11 |
| tuxd3v | the tool: | 04:12 |
| tuxd3v | sane-find-scanner tool | 04:12 |
| tuxd3v | finds it | 04:12 |
| tuxd3v | but if I do a scanimage -L | 04:12 |
| tuxd3v | it shows nothing.. | 04:12 |
| * rrq has nothing :( | 04:17 | |
| xrogaan | sorry, had to step out | 04:18 |
| xrogaan | Well, I don't know either. | 04:19 |
| tuxd3v | could not open USB device 0x0424/0xec00 at 001:003: Access denied (insufficient permissions) | 04:23 |
| tuxd3v | as a saned user | 04:23 |
| tuxd3v | as root I can run 'sane-find-scanner' | 04:24 |
| tuxd3v | without permision problems | 04:24 |
| xrogaan | groups issue? | 04:27 |
| tuxd3v | maybe | 04:27 |
| tuxd3v | but saned is: | 04:28 |
| tuxd3v | uid=105(saned) gid=108(saned) groups=108(saned),7(lp),107(scanner) | 04:28 |
| tuxd3v | I am for aweek now to try to setup the scanner on devuan ascii.. | 04:29 |
| xrogaan | might need a udev rule for that device | 04:29 |
| xrogaan | https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/a/101324 | 04:30 |
| xrogaan | afterward, if it doesn't work, unplug and replug the device | 04:31 |
| xrogaan | there is a /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane.rules ; your device is probably not in it. | 04:36 |
| xrogaan | at the end of the libsane rules: `ENV{libsane_matched}=="yes", RUN+="/bin/setfacl -m g:scanner:rw $env{DEVNAME}"' | 04:38 |
| xrogaan | which set permission to members of the scanner group to read and write to those devices. | 04:39 |
| tuxd3v | as saned | 04:42 |
| tuxd3v | could not open USB device 0x0424/0xec00 at 001:003: Access denied (insufficient permissions) | 04:42 |
| tuxd3v | but : crw-rw-r--+ 1 root lp 180, 0 Jan 1 1970 /dev/usb/lp0 | 04:42 |
| xrogaan | have you changed the udev rule thingy? | 04:52 |
| tuxd3v | yup | 05:01 |
| gnarface | root/lp | 05:03 |
| gnarface | you shouldn't be getting access denied if you're in the lp group with those permissions | 05:03 |
| gnarface | if you just added yourself to the lp group, make sure you relogged | 05:03 |
| tuxd3v | yeah.. its a lot strange.. | 05:04 |
| gnarface | hmm, or maybe the saned user needs to be in the lp group? | 05:04 |
| gnarface | oh! or maybe you need to change the device's udev rule to put it in the saned group instead of the lp group | 05:04 |
| gnarface | either would probably work | 05:04 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 05:05 |
| gnarface | here on my ceres install, the saned user is in the "scanner" group | 05:05 |
| gnarface | but that may have been inherited from the sid install i upgraded from years ago, i can't be sure now | 05:05 |
| xrogaan | no, scanner here too | 05:06 |
| gnarface | see if your /etc/group file also reports that saned is in the "scanner" group, if so, maybe change the udev rule to put that device in the "scanner" group too | 05:06 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/HBVbxxvt | 05:06 |
| xrogaan | ascii > saned : saned scanner | 05:07 |
| tuxd3v | id saned | 05:07 |
| tuxd3v | uid=105(saned) gid=108(saned) groups=108(saned),7(lp),107(scanner) | 05:07 |
| tuxd3v | crazyy | 05:07 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 05:08 |
| gnarface | i also have a lp group but my saned user is not in it | 05:08 |
| gnarface | well, to be fair i don't have a scanner so maybe it wouldn't work for me either | 05:08 |
| xrogaan | I don't have a scanner either :) | 05:09 |
| gnarface | well, i even have one but it was already confirmed as unsupported | 05:09 |
| tuxd3v | How to set group to scanner ? | 05:11 |
| gnarface | i just edit the /etc/group file directly | 05:12 |
| gnarface | because i'm crazy like that | 05:12 |
| gnarface | you can use adduser though instead (check the man page) | 05:12 |
| gnarface | Add an existing user to an existing group | 05:13 |
| gnarface | If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group. | 05:13 |
| gnarface | (the relevant line from the man page but you should still read the whole thing yourself) | 05:13 |
| gnarface | oh, but according to what you pasted, saned is already in the scanner group. or did you mean adding your own user to the scanner group? | 05:14 |
| gnarface | well, adduser should work in either case | 05:14 |
| tuxd3v | saned can't start :( | 05:15 |
| gnarface | does it say why? | 05:16 |
| gnarface | it might need access to it's home directory (/var/lib/saned according to my /etc/passwd, but that directory doesn't exist... might cause issues) | 05:17 |
| tuxd3v | i will try with strace to check were he goes.. | 05:22 |
| tuxd3v | in the logs I could only get: | 05:25 |
| tuxd3v | Dec 3 04:16:42 localhost kernel: [ 306.985184] warning: process `saned' used the deprecated sysctl system call with 8.1.2. | 05:26 |
| mason | Walex: There's some interesting stuff there. The specific popping I hear is when the channel to the speaker is first opened, it seems, not during actual playback. I don't see that particular symptom. I also haven't seen the issue with other audio chipsets (with different computers in the role) which is what makes me think it's an issue with Linux's handling of that sound chipset. | 15:13 |
| fling | mason: tell pulseaudio to not shutdown | 16:46 |
| mason | fling: I'd have to start using pulseaudio first. | 16:46 |
| fling | mason: because it is restarting every time on playback and changing your volumes | 16:46 |
| fling | oh | 16:46 |
| FatPhil | if I want a more modern package than old-stable has (lua-sec, I need a >= 0.7), what should I do? | 23:32 |
| FatPhil | I'm generally not interested in more modern versions over stable ones. (but I promise, I will upgrade to stable eventually!) | 23:34 |
| mason | FatPhil: Devuan oldstable is unsupported, as far as I understand it. | 23:44 |
| mason | FatPhil: I'd recommend upgrading to stable sooner rather than later. Devuan stable being Debian oldstable means the clock is ticking on it as well. | 23:44 |
| mason | Anyway, bbiab. | 23:45 |
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