| systemdlete2 | laptop no longer has wireless access. If I hit refresh in the wicd applet, it tells me no wirelss networks were found. | 10:36 |
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| systemdlete2 | It used to work, up until about the time I upgraded to 2.1 | 10:36 |
| systemdlete2 | the wirelss is qca9377 atheros | 10:37 |
| systemdlete2 | I do have wired access atm which is how I am chatting here | 10:37 |
| systemdlete2 | the ath module is loaded | 10:40 |
| systemdlete2 | also, I've tried restarting wicd a couple of times now | 10:43 |
| systemdlete2 | lshw: This device has been disabled. AH! | 10:56 |
| systemdlete2 | (but why?) | 10:56 |
| systemdlete2 | rfkill -- had to unblock it | 11:02 |
| systemdlete2 | I forgot about that leetle detail. I don't understand how it got to that state though. | 11:02 |
| omnio | maybe you pressed some (fn+)F key combination accidentally? | 11:05 |
| systemdlete3 | Like the one with the airplane on it? :D | 11:06 |
| GyrosGeier | systemdlete3, I have the same effect on my laptop | 13:46 |
| GyrosGeier | when I close the lid for the first time, that causes rfkill softblocks on both wifi and bluetooth | 13:46 |
| infinger | hi | 17:08 |
| infinger | simple question, what is default network manager in ascii 2.1? | 17:09 |
| jaromil | wicd | 17:09 |
| infinger | :( | 17:09 |
| infinger | there is no option to have network-manager, modemmanager, modemmanagerdui combo? | 17:10 |
| jaromil | i think network-manager was patched to work but not sure, not using it | 17:10 |
| infinger | i see | 17:11 |
| infinger | hmm, need some good manager to 3g/4g connection, USSD codes, sms | 17:12 |
| GyrosGeier | your modem doesn't speak QMI? | 17:13 |
| GyrosGeier | my entire 4G setup is just a "pre-up" line in /etc/network/interfaces that tells qmi to activate the interface | 17:13 |
| infinger | hmm never tried this | 17:15 |
| infinger | I mean it's only console based? | 17:16 |
| infinger | anyway, thank you | 17:23 |
| huuhhh | infinger, I am trying to get network-manager to work as well, will report here if and when I succeed | 18:22 |
| poontangmessiah_ | fsmithred, forgot to tell you, the issue is not X, it's between AMD and kernel 4.19 | 18:51 |
| huuhhh | Just had two shutdown crashes in a row(screen blank and system spontaneously and instantly restarts), first was while using GIMP, while VLC was converting, while about 30 Firefox tabs were open, next was on reboot with nothing running, but I was messing with wicd and network-manager, samething, then was able to boot only after 2nd try, first time desktop did not load | 21:08 |
| huuhhh | it was up for over 24 hours before that so not bad, I prefer a freeze up to those spontaneous restarts. My system is not the best though(maybe could use a new power supply) and only Ubuntu studio has been as solid(until it committed suicide via update) | 21:11 |
| Lydia_K | That sounds like a overheating reboot to me. | 21:13 |
| huuhhh | makes sense | 21:13 |
| nemo | huuhhh: might want to add a temperature sensor | 21:15 |
| nemo | usually it's pretty obvious before it gets that bad | 21:15 |
| nemo | and you might be able to adjust CPU profile to prevent it happening as well | 21:15 |
| huuhhh | I have an older video card that some OS's seem to run hotter doing things like vlc conversions or rendering in openshot | 21:15 |
| nemo | which should probably happen automatically really | 21:16 |
| nemo | huuhhh: VLC uses GPU these days for encoding? | 21:16 |
| nemo | actually huh. didn't know VLC encoded for that matter | 21:16 |
| nemo | guess it makes sense that it can | 21:16 |
| specing | could also be cpu bug | 21:16 |
| specing | happens to me on t400 | 21:16 |
| nemo | https://itsfoss.com/reduce-overheating-laptops-linux/ | 21:17 |
| nemo | random ass search for "cpu overheating linux" on DDG which I know is not a unique problem | 21:17 |
| nemo | thermald sounds the most promising to me | 21:19 |
| huuhhh | last install vlc would crash after completing conversion, I have Nvidia driver installed this time and haven't noticed that problem. | 21:19 |
| nemo | https://wiki.debian.org/thermald but maybe start by getting that temperature info in the first place | 21:19 |
| * nemo shrugs | 21:19 | |
| huuhhh | http://i.imgur.com/ziV2XRx.png fairly high cpu | 21:21 |
| specing | huuhhh: set up netconsole logging | 21:22 |
| huuhhh | just crashed on vlc conversion completion | 21:29 |
| nemo | … | 21:29 |
| golinux | Blow out the dust bunnies! | 21:29 |
| huuhhh | it looked like it finished up fine too | 21:29 |
| huuhhh | I don't think it's heat related | 21:30 |
| nemo | huuhhh: you know, instead of abusing your CPU like this, how about adding some of that monitoring already | 21:30 |
| nemo | huuhhh: but it would take like... what, 5 minutes to enable it just in case? | 21:30 |
| nemo | max? | 21:30 |
| huuhhh | thermald is installed, can't find the gui for it if there is one | 21:30 |
| nemo | odds are decent your desktop-of-choice even has a temperature tool | 21:30 |
| nemo | used to be minecraft killed my desktop until I added water cooling | 21:31 |
| nemo | mostly due to friends running exploit farms | 21:31 |
| huuhhh | lol that's funny, the software that comes with devuan is not very complete | 21:31 |
| onefang | I like to use conky for monitoring things on the desktop. | 21:31 |
| nemo | was so bad that I had this running for a while to avoid them ruining the machine | 21:32 |
| nemo | #!/bin/bash TEMP=$(/usr/bin/sensors | /bin/grep -A1 Adapter: PCI adapter | /bin/grep temp1 | /usr/bin/awk {print $2} | /bin/sed s/\+//;s/°.*//;s/\..*//) if(($TEMP>75)) then /bin/kill $(/usr/bin/top -n 1 -b | /bin/grep -v 0: | /bin/grep -A1 %CPU | /usr/bin/tail -n1 | /usr/bin/awk {print $1}) fi | 21:32 |
| nemo | apologies for crappy syntax, was a quick and dirty "stop killing my box" thing ☺ | 21:32 |
| huuhhh | what is this thermal daemon piece of crap? | 21:33 |
| huuhhh | why did you have me install this? | 21:33 |
| nemo | I didn't make you install anything. I linked to some pages that had some info on temperature stuff | 21:34 |
| nemo | stop blaming others | 21:34 |
| nemo | "Linux thermal daemon (thermald) monitors and controls temperature in laptops, tablets PC with the latest Intel sandy bridge and latest Intel CPU releases. Once the system temperature reaches a certain threshold, the Linux daemon activates various cooling methods to try to cool the system. " | 21:34 |
| nemo | but as to what it is, the debian page seems concise enough | 21:34 |
| huuhhh | it's crap. Give me something not obscure. sudo apt remove thermald | 21:38 |
| huuhhh | There is some bug crashing the system after doing vlc conversion | 21:39 |
| huuhhh | This was the reason I reinstalled over my last Devuan system | 21:39 |
| huuhhh | I'll try another conversion this time with firefox closed | 21:40 |
| nemo | it appears it is supposed to work automatically, which could explain the obscurity, but do as you like | 21:42 |
| huuhhh | I don't like apps working in secrecy lol | 21:43 |
| nemo | there's certainly pretty reporting tools with guis out there, but doesn't seem to be the intent of that thing | 21:43 |
| nemo | huuhhh: uh-huh... | 21:43 |
| nemo | then you should probably take the time to actually read man pages and configs | 21:43 |
| nemo | instead of "apt-remove" everything without a gtk widget | 21:43 |
| debdog | if anything, a gui obscures things | 21:44 |
| huuhhh | I went to the pages and I lost patience, the want to laud themselves but not give you any commands. Intel can kiss my ass | 21:47 |
| huuhhh | halfway through VLC conversion... | 21:49 |
| specing | huuhhh: update microcode? | 21:53 |
| huuhhh | since other distros can do VLC conversions and not crash, I don't think it's my hardware at fault | 21:55 |
| specing | maybe other distros ship microcode updates by default? | 21:56 |
| huuhhh | I thought you meant firmware, maybe I don't know what microcode means | 21:57 |
| huuhhh | almost done | 21:57 |
| huuhhh | complete | 21:57 |
| huuhhh | ...I'm baaaack... and, it crashed | 22:03 |
| huuhhh | right after seeming to complete... right at the end where it is finishing up. Locked up rather than the jarring spontaneous restart this time... | 22:04 |
| specing | huuhhh: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9058-everything_you_want_to_know_about_x86_microcode_but_might_have_been_afraid_to_ask | 22:07 |
| specing | huuhhh: https://media.ccc.de/v/35c3-9614-inside_the_amd_microcode_rom | 22:07 |
| huuhhh | It did the exact same thing on my last Devuan desktop that was a netinstall running MATE. I don't remember if I had Nvidia drivers on that, netinstall may have installed them. | 22:08 |
| huuhhh | It seems odd that it completes just to the end of the file then kills everything. | 22:10 |
| nemo | have you installed any kind of temperature measuring tool yet. mate-sensors-applet for example | 22:12 |
| nemo | and... anything in your system log pre-crash? | 22:12 |
| huuhhh | last thing in syslog is hours ago | 22:17 |
| huuhhh | I just removed then reinstalled vlc, in case something it needed got corrupted somehow | 22:22 |
| huuhhh | here we go again... http://i.imgur.com/J0poQoh.png | 22:26 |
| huuhhh | "maybe other distros ship microcode updates by default" oh, that was a joke, right? | 22:32 |
| huuhhh | crashed again.. not during but right after VLC conversion to mp4 was complete | 22:50 |
| huuhhh | I thought it worked on this system, I'll have to re-install Devuan I suppose | 22:51 |
| specing | huuhhh: why do you think it would be a joke? | 22:53 |
| AntoFox | hi guys | 22:53 |
| AntoFox | any news? | 22:53 |
| specing | about what | 22:54 |
| huuhhh | because firmware is something that is specially installed, not something that can differ from distro to distro | 22:54 |
| specing | some distros ship microcode updates by default | 22:57 |
| AntoFox | beowulf :) | 22:57 |
| huuhhh | I doubt that | 23:07 |
| huuhhh | oh, I see they are not persistent | 23:07 |
| huuhhh | is there a devuan respin that uses network-manager rather than wicd? | 23:10 |
| mason | huuhhh: It's worth looking at installing from a live environment. With debootstrap you can install however you like. | 23:12 |
| huuhhh | debootstrap looks like fun, it seems like you give the address and it downloads the whole system | 23:20 |
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