stovepipe | whats with the intel drivers missing on install now | 03:28 |
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stovepipe | some new shady lawyerisms? | 03:28 |
stovepipe | no intel wireless/ethernet during install on 2.1 | 03:45 |
stovepipe | 2.0 is fine | 03:45 |
stovepipe | not so good for walking people through it over the fone heh | 03:45 |
stovepipe | assuming using 2.0 media and upgrading will be an acceptable result | 03:46 |
stovepipe | but i would like to hear the details about why that is the case | 03:46 |
golinux | Not intentional | 03:47 |
stovepipe | debian is the same i guess right | 03:47 |
stovepipe | so whats the current solution? | 03:47 |
fsmithred | debian doesn't include the non-free firmware on their regular isos | 03:48 |
golinux | Have you tried a Debian install? | 03:48 |
stovepipe | why would i do that heh | 03:48 |
golinux | Ah, right. | 03:48 |
stovepipe | all the search engine responses are debian though | 03:48 |
fsmithred | I do a debian install at least once every few months just for a reality check | 03:49 |
golinux | But it should be included on Devuan isos | 03:49 |
stovepipe | it would be hard to miss during testing since its the intel crap thats literally everywhere | 03:49 |
golinux | I'd actually forgotten that Debian does not include firmware | 03:49 |
stovepipe | so i assume theres no glaring differences between 2.0 and 2.1 | 03:50 |
fsmithred | the most important difference between the older and newer installer isos is that the newer ones have newer version of apt | 03:50 |
golinux | https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-point-release-announce-112119 | 03:50 |
fsmithred | which got an important patch | 03:50 |
stovepipe | i'm having the customer install with 2.0 and upgrade | 03:51 |
fsmithred | that'll work | 03:51 |
golinux | fsmithred: Why isn't the firmware on 2.1? | 03:52 |
fsmithred | I didn't test 2.1 on hardware install on anything that had wireless | 03:52 |
fsmithred | it is there | 03:52 |
fsmithred | and you get asked about nonfree and contrib if you choose expert install | 03:52 |
stovepipe | oh | 03:53 |
fsmithred | but I don't know if it automatically installs firmware on regular install like 2.0 did | 03:53 |
stovepipe | so they are on the install media? | 03:53 |
fsmithred | yeah | 03:53 |
fsmithred | in /firmware | 03:53 |
fsmithred | (which are all symlinks to the packages in /pool) | 03:53 |
fsmithred | do you know which firmware package is needed? | 03:54 |
fsmithred | there are at least three for intel | 03:54 |
golinux | I thought you had to use expert to AVOID non-free not to get it! | 03:54 |
fsmithred | yeah, that's correct | 03:54 |
fsmithred | had to use expert and choose a mirror | 03:54 |
golinux | From the install instructions: "If you would like to select an alternate bootloader (lilo) or exclude non-free firmware, you must select one of the Expert install options." | 03:55 |
golinux | non-free firmware should be available on all the install media | 03:56 |
stovepipe | fsmithred: i didnt take note if the details | 03:57 |
stovepipe | oh but i know which laptop the customer has | 03:57 |
fsmithred | :) | 03:58 |
stovepipe | https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-005R-000A5 | 03:58 |
stovepipe | i'm testing on my T510 and its doing it also | 03:59 |
stovepipe | so wait, will the expert mode work or not lol | 03:59 |
fsmithred | iwlwifi | 03:59 |
stovepipe | i have to see for myself so i dont run into it again | 03:59 |
fsmithred | expert should ask you about contrib/nonfree | 04:00 |
fsmithred | and also about deb-src | 04:00 |
fsmithred | and I can't test that because I just gave away the laptop with the intel wireless | 04:00 |
fsmithred | you're sure it didn't install? | 04:02 |
stovepipe | yup, wouldnt config network at all, wireless or ethernet | 04:03 |
stovepipe | i cant have a customer going through this expert install | 04:03 |
fsmithred | did you make sure that wicd knew what interface to look for? | 04:03 |
stovepipe | over the fone from 100 miles away lol | 04:03 |
stovepipe | 2.0 installer finds it all fine | 04:03 |
stovepipe | 2.1 spits out the error: the missing firmware files are: iwlwwifi-3160-17.ucode | 04:05 |
fsmithred | oh | 04:06 |
fsmithred | so it does find it | 04:06 |
fsmithred | and 2.0 works on the laptop in question? | 04:06 |
stovepipe | yup | 04:06 |
stovepipe | both | 04:06 |
stovepipe | his and mine | 04:06 |
fsmithred | shit | 04:06 |
stovepipe | he's using netinst 2.0 right now | 04:06 |
stovepipe | installing | 04:06 |
stovepipe | i'm just fiddling so i know what to expect in the future | 04:07 |
stovepipe | feel free to ask for testing that in the future, i have T510's and T520's | 04:12 |
stovepipe | i'm always on freenode if i'm not in here | 04:12 |
fsmithred | I'm going to test the netinstall on a laptop that has realtek wireless | 04:14 |
fsmithred | see if it does what I expect | 04:15 |
fsmithred | if I'm lucky, it'll get to the tasksel window before I fall asleep | 04:19 |
stovepipe | the only other wireless i have is an old athlon xp with a rt2500 | 04:20 |
stovepipe | actually i think that has 2.0 on it | 04:21 |
stovepipe | for IRC from the garage! | 04:21 |
fsmithred | I had an xp, but the second motherboard died, and that was the end of that | 04:22 |
fsmithred | install is partly done. I can chroot into /target and I see contrib and non-free in sources.list, and firmware-realtek is installed | 04:30 |
fsmithred | I chose regular install (non-expert, non-graphical) | 04:31 |
fsmithred | it saw the wireless card and ethernet at the beginning and asked me which one to use. I chose ethernet. | 04:32 |
stovepipe | both wireless and wired fail with the intel | 04:34 |
stovepipe | shows no options | 04:35 |
stovepipe | i went through with the install anyway and it just doesnt configure any network at all | 04:35 |
stovepipe | must not be many people doing fresh installs with 2.1 yet | 04:37 |
stovepipe | i didnt even know it was there until i went to send the customer an iso url | 04:37 |
fsmithred | wired connection doesn't work??? | 04:37 |
fsmithred | stovepipe, do you know where the preferences are in wicd? | 04:41 |
fsmithred | make sure the default interfaces are in there | 04:41 |
stovepipe | well, dont have taht scenario available | 04:42 |
stovepipe | you mean like after install | 04:42 |
fsmithred | yeah | 04:42 |
stovepipe | yeah i never let it finish | 04:42 |
fsmithred | it wouldn't connect to do the netinstall? | 04:42 |
stovepipe | too much to mess with for any customer so i'm avoiding all that entirely | 04:43 |
stovepipe | nope | 04:43 |
stovepipe | even the full dvd image wouldnt config any network or mirrors or anything | 04:43 |
fsmithred | you want them to have xfce desktop? | 04:43 |
stovepipe | yeah usually | 04:43 |
fsmithred | if you use the desktop-live, the firmware is already installed | 04:43 |
stovepipe | its already underway with the 2.0 netinst, then upgrade | 04:44 |
stovepipe | no big deal | 04:44 |
fsmithred | ok | 04:44 |
stovepipe | just didnt look too good heh | 04:44 |
fsmithred | yeah, I understand | 04:44 |
fsmithred | will have to find someone else to test the same thing | 04:44 |
* golinux grumbles | 04:44 | |
fsmithred | you don't own a laptop that needs iwlwifi, so you're off the hook | 04:45 |
stovepipe | what did you want to test, config network after install? | 04:46 |
fsmithred | no, I want to reproduce your problem if possible | 04:46 |
stovepipe | oh | 04:46 |
fsmithred | I want to know if there's a problem with the firmware package in the iso | 04:46 |
stovepipe | my T510's are from like 2011, his dell is from like 2015 | 04:47 |
fsmithred | and you got the same problem with both laptops at different locations? | 04:47 |
stovepipe | yup | 04:47 |
fsmithred | and different isos | 04:48 |
stovepipe | both dvd and netinst | 04:48 |
stovepipe | tried both on both machines | 04:48 |
fsmithred | amd64? | 04:49 |
stovepipe | yup | 04:49 |
stovepipe | i have another customer laptop here i can test it on, newer HP | 04:50 |
fsmithred | I just passed the word along in #devuan-dev | 04:50 |
stovepipe | once its done with what its doing | 04:51 |
fsmithred | stovepipe, when you told me the .ucode file that was missing, did you type that or copy/paste? | 04:55 |
fsmithred | iwlwwifi-3160-17.ucode | 04:55 |
stovepipe | i copied what the other person typed | 04:55 |
fsmithred | oh, ok | 04:55 |
fsmithred | doesn't count | 04:55 |
stovepipe | heh | 04:55 |
fsmithred | iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode | 04:55 |
stovepipe | i saw a similar message but didnt look closely at it | 04:56 |
fsmithred | is in the firmware package | 04:56 |
fsmithred | iwlwwifi-3160-17.ucode has an extra w | 04:56 |
stovepipe | i'm in limbo now | 04:56 |
stovepipe | yeah i see that, typo obv | 04:56 |
stovepipe | well, i hope | 04:56 |
stovepipe | i'll get back to you on that once this finishes | 04:57 |
fsmithred | sleepy time here | 04:57 |
stovepipe | you can check that the typo was his though right | 04:57 |
stovepipe | and not in the iso | 04:57 |
fsmithred | I'll be back in about 6 or 7 hours | 04:57 |
stovepipe | heh ok cya | 04:57 |
fsmithred | well, I'm wonder if there's a typo in the install script | 04:58 |
fsmithred | wondering | 04:58 |
stovepipe | yeah i'll verify that in a bit | 04:58 |
stovepipe | i need more usb sticks... | 04:58 |
stovepipe | but what are the odds of there being a typo for both the wireless and the ethernet... | 04:59 |
stovepipe | also theres this https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-iwlwifi | 04:59 |
fsmithred | if they both use the same ucode file, maybe not so remote | 05:00 |
stovepipe | oop | 05:00 |
stovepipe | wrong link | 05:00 |
stovepipe | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-provide-non-free-firmware-files-to-the-debian-jessie-installer-4175542680/ | 05:00 |
stovepipe | old but similar | 05:00 |
fsmithred | oh! | 05:01 |
fsmithred | I have that firmware installed on a T420 | 05:01 |
fsmithred | duh | 05:01 |
stovepipe | yeah T420 is almost the same as these that i have | 05:01 |
stovepipe | T510/20 | 05:02 |
stovepipe | lol installer wont use the touchpad, but touching it wakes up the blank screen | 05:02 |
stovepipe | neat | 05:02 |
fsmithred | md5sum of /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode is the same as in the netinstall iso | 05:03 |
fsmithred | and it works here | 05:04 |
stovepipe | hrm | 05:10 |
stovepipe | how can that be | 05:11 |
stovepipe | we are using the same images from the same mirror | 05:12 |
stovepipe | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ | 05:12 |
stovepipe | but the iso sums check out | 05:14 |
stovepipe | ok booting installer again | 05:14 |
stovepipe | oops no tahts 2.0 heh | 05:15 |
fsmithred | try a different package mirror | 05:18 |
stovepipe | ok booted 2.1, heres the message on the T510 | 05:19 |
fsmithred | during the install, select pkgmaster.devuan.org for now | 05:19 |
stovepipe | iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode | 05:19 |
fsmithred | different file | 05:19 |
stovepipe | it doesnt even get that far | 05:19 |
stovepipe | yeah different file, same error | 05:19 |
fsmithred | the file is in the package | 05:20 |
fsmithred | something weird is going on | 05:20 |
fsmithred | do you get asked to select ethernet or wireless at the beginning of the install? | 05:21 |
stovepipe | no eth error this time, works | 05:21 |
stovepipe | maybe he didnt plug it into ethernet, its possible | 05:21 |
fsmithred | oh, maybe | 05:21 |
stovepipe | so if he had, and installed, what then for wireless | 05:22 |
stovepipe | if i have to walk people though complicated shit i will jump out a window | 05:22 |
fsmithred | the standard debian way is to use a wire for the install and then add the firmware later | 05:22 |
stovepipe | yeah so is that something you guys changed that just slipped by this time? | 05:22 |
fsmithred | are you expecting them to be able to use synaptic to install packages? | 05:22 |
fsmithred | no, we decided to put nonfree firmware on the isos | 05:23 |
stovepipe | heh they do it on the command line like i tell them to or i do it remotely after install | 05:23 |
fsmithred | ok | 05:23 |
fsmithred | apt install firmware-iwlwifi | 05:23 |
stovepipe | ok | 05:23 |
fsmithred | reboot (probably not necessary) | 05:23 |
stovepipe | i can live witht hat | 05:24 |
fsmithred | when they open wicd, easiest thing is to tell them to maximize the window | 05:24 |
stovepipe | he's already up and running now anyway from the 2.0 installer | 05:24 |
fsmithred | then they'll see Preferences in the menu bar | 05:24 |
fsmithred | ok | 05:24 |
stovepipe | but its bound to happen again | 05:24 |
fsmithred | apt update && apt upgrade | 05:24 |
stovepipe | i just want to be prepared | 05:24 |
fsmithred | make sure wlan0 is in the box for default wireless interface | 05:24 |
fsmithred | I think I have a spare partition on the thinkpad. I'll test there, too. | 05:26 |
stovepipe | pleasant dreams! | 05:26 |
fsmithred | g'night | 05:26 |
stovepipe | and tnx | 05:26 |
stovepipe | funny, the first things it upgrades from 2.0 netinst are firmware iwlwifi and kernel | 05:29 |
stovepipe | oh, i'm not even connected to anything | 05:30 |
stovepipe | ok, the response is the same anyway | 05:31 |
stovepipe | no tap to click out of the box? | 05:36 |
stovepipe | works for him at least lol | 06:10 |
stovepipe | but i remember last time i had 2.0 on this machine the tap worked | 06:10 |
stovepipe | weird | 06:10 |
bleb | hi, anyone know where i'd find the plaintext keymap for the framebuffer console | 07:38 |
bleb | loadkeys(1) says it would be in /usr/share/keymaps but i dont have that directory | 07:43 |
debdog | seems to be installed via package console-data https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/console-data/filelist | 07:55 |
bleb | ah | 07:56 |
bleb | debdog: thanks | 07:56 |
debdog | np | 07:56 |
systemdlete | I have an Ascii VM whose root filesystem is now readonly. It was working until at least early this morning here (less than 24 hours, figure). I did nothing to the system configuration. | 08:33 |
systemdlete | I've checked the hardware on the host, including the gsmart -- there were apparently some internal hardware CRC errors on one disk, but I ran the test on the disk and it came back clean. | 08:34 |
systemdlete | This is virtualbox, btw. | 08:34 |
systemdlete | Looked through dmesg in guest, nothing suspicious or related to disk. | 08:34 |
systemdlete | AH! | 08:35 |
systemdlete | dmesg in guest shows aborted journal... ??? | 08:35 |
systemdlete | DRIVER_TIMEOUT | 08:36 |
systemdlete | 3 logical blocks got errors | 08:37 |
systemdlete | hmmmm. There is mega running on this VM. And I've filed a bug or two with them already re their tools. | 08:40 |
systemdlete | some file system damage, but it all seems to have recovered. | 08:54 |
systemdlete | Any light on this would be appreciated. Keep in mind this is an Ascii VM under vbox, and I am running Mega cloud sync on it. Until today, everything has worked pretty much flawlessly (short of a reproducible bug I filed against Mega) | 08:55 |
onefang | Usually the root filesystem is mounted so that it'll switch to read only mode on errors, and it looks like you got errors. I can't help with anything else. | 08:57 |
systemdlete | Yeah, I learned that from googling also. I am a little bit suspicious of Mega. I haven't seen this kind of action anywhere else recently. Virtualbox also has its charms, but it is actually pretty reliable. | 08:58 |
onefang | I don't use either. | 08:59 |
systemdlete | gotcha. | 08:59 |
systemdlete | I still appreciate help/insight. | 09:00 |
omnio | systemdlete: I use megasync on devuan, mageia and kubuntu; never noticed any filesystem corruption because of it | 09:16 |
omnio | I use ext4 in all those cases | 09:18 |
systemdlete | omnio: Are you using the MegaSync desktop app or the MegaCmd app? | 09:26 |
systemdlete | I've had corruption when trying to use both on the same box/VM. | 09:27 |
omnio | the desktop app (the one that sits in system tray) - but on "physical" machines, not VM | 09:29 |
systemdlete | omnio: I'm thinking the physical vs VM aspect probably isn't the main issue, if this is a Mega issue at all. | 10:04 |
systemdlete | Thanks for the info. | 10:04 |
systemdlete | I've had this configuration (VM) running since mid-November at least, and had not seen an error of this kind. But before I go file anything with Mega, I'm just trying to narrow things down rather than clogging their queues up with one more issue that might not even be theirs. | 10:05 |
onefang | Did you check your hard disks S.M.A.R.T. data? Might be a hardware issue. | 10:11 |
systemdlete | Well, considering this is in a VM, SMART doesn't directly apply here. But I did look for hardware problems on the host system, yes. Found nothing (see above) | 10:12 |
fsmithred | stovepipe, I'm installing from amd64 netinstall without wired network. It detected the wireless and is using it. The installed system has firmware-iwlwifi installed. I can't reproduce the problem. | 16:14 |
fsmithred | If you are installing from usb, how did you prepare it? | 16:15 |
fsmithred | afk for next 4 hours | 16:36 |
Xanatos | o/ | 22:36 |
debdog | o> | 22:45 |
MinceR | \o/ | 22:48 |
Xanatos | =) | 22:49 |
Xanatos | some feedback about devuan testing ? | 22:50 |
debdog | ok, unless you need wine | 22:50 |
Xanatos | erf | 22:51 |
debdog | well, compiling it should be fine | 22:51 |
Xanatos | I get a new laptop with a gpu, for fun I test a game with wine | 22:52 |
Xanatos | but it's optional, on my desktop I never user it | 22:52 |
debdog | just not the packages. neither theones from debian nor the ones from winehq | 22:52 |
Xanatos | ok ty for the info | 22:52 |
Xanatos | 8cores and a gpu, welcome in 2020 ^^' | 22:53 |
debdog | which GPU? | 22:53 |
Xanatos | a nvidia, wait I check, generally I don't care gpu | 22:54 |
Xanatos | graaa | 22:58 |
debdog | hrrhrr | 22:59 |
Xanatos | well I just get intel chipset version, don't care | 22:59 |
debdog | np | 22:59 |
Xanatos | 4th gen integrated graphic etc.. | 23:02 |
Xanatos | so | 23:03 |
Xanatos | not really important for me | 23:03 |
Xanatos | so devuan testing any other feedback ? | 23:04 |
debdog | Xanatos: 'bout the GPU, this link might (I am not certain, not up to date with modern hardware) comming handy http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.42/README/randr14.html | 23:06 |
Xanatos | ahhh randr ^^ | 23:07 |
debdog | esp. optimus | 23:07 |
Xanatos | yep | 23:08 |
debdog | aside from wine I have not (yet?) come across serious issues. I am not a power-user, though | 23:09 |
Xanatos | so it's a "recent" laptop, I bought it to a friend of mine, but I don't know the exact gpu configuration, I was interested by other spec | 23:09 |
Xanatos | yep, it will be a bonus if simulators/games will able run | 23:11 |
Xanatos | about it, I don't like steam but they provides a big work about gaming on linux | 23:13 |
mason | debdog: I forgot to add the i386 arch the other day, installing Steam on Devuan Beowulf. This isn't it for you, is it? | 23:14 |
specing | Ah yes, keep playing proprietary games | 23:15 |
specing | meanwhile no players in libre games | 23:15 |
debdog | mason: sorry, I do not quite understand. so wine (or whatever steam uses) works now? | 23:16 |
Xanatos | I stopped to play when I switched for 100% linux 10years ago | 23:18 |
Xanatos | so | 23:18 |
mason | debdog: I'm saying, if you had trouble installing Wine, maybe you forgot dpkg --add-architecture i386 first. | 23:19 |
mason | debdog: I forgot it and was confused by not finding Steam. | 23:19 |
debdog | mason: no, that wasn't the issue here | 23:19 |
mason | debdog: I didn't see your specific issue. | 23:19 |
mason | debdog: What was it, if you'd care to repeat it? | 23:19 |
debdog | I think I've never talked about it here | 23:19 |
Xanatos | but with a recent interest about models, I'm interested on simulators | 23:19 |
Xanatos | ^^ | 23:20 |
stovepipe | fsmithred: yeah it was usb, i used dd | 23:20 |
Xanatos | mason, I see this mention on winehq documentation | 23:20 |
stovepipe | the other guy used a windows tool | 23:20 |
stovepipe | i used dd on freebsd | 23:20 |
debdog | it's been a couple of weeks since I've tried and never really dove into it, mason. not able to provide a detailed description of the problem. it was somehting regarding wrong versioning of the i386 packages. | 23:21 |
mason | debdog: Trying it now. I'll have a report in a moment. | 23:21 |
stovepipe | fsmithred: i'm only here for a minute, back in a few hours | 23:21 |
mason | debdog: winehq or base? | 23:21 |
debdog | mason: any | 23:22 |
debdog | there might be a solution for this on dev1galaxy, but it wasn't a top priority here so I decided to just sit it out | 23:24 |
mason | debdog: Yeah, none of it works out of the box. If I get a chance I'll dig into it this weekend. | 23:27 |
debdog | that'd be great! | 23:27 |
stovepipe | fsmithred: he used rufus, and said the same thing happened to him when he tried to install debian previously | 23:27 |
stovepipe | bbl | 23:27 |
mason | debdog: So, libwine:i386 depends on libpulse0:i386, which in turn depends on libsystemd0:i386, and that's the problem. PulseAudio strikes again. A source build will not have this issue. | 23:39 |
debdog | mason: that was not the issue I've had | 23:44 |
debdog | but, well, WIP, ting could change | 23:44 |
debdog | *things | 23:45 |
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