frabbit | fsmithred: what dm do u use with lxqt? | 00:02 |
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fsmithred | lightdm got installed | 00:02 |
fsmithred | I don't use lxqt; I just installed it to test | 00:02 |
flrn | frabbit: could not find that dng thread with the "lurker": https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=dng@lists.dyne.org&q=subject:%22Re%5C%3A+%5C%5BDNG%5C%5D+New+policykit%5C-1+packages+in+ASCII%22&o=newest&f=1 | 00:02 |
flrn | it might help fixing the consolekit "lock in" | 00:03 |
frabbit | flrn: ? | 00:19 |
flrn | frabbit: ? | 00:24 |
frabbit | flrn: i dont even know what this is. ^^ | 00:25 |
flrn | you wrote the elogind installation would "want to remove lxde-core, lxsession, openbox-lxde-session" | 00:31 |
flrn | I was in the same situation and found the only way around a fresh install was to un- and later reinstall the packages, with elogind in charge | 00:32 |
frabbit | flrn: oh ok. | 00:38 |
frabbit | but now its too late =) | 00:38 |
frabbit | thx | 00:39 |
frabbit | *however thx | 00:39 |
frabbit | fsmithred: erm.. theres no lxqt here in installation o0 | 01:07 |
fsmithred | what do you mean? | 01:07 |
frabbit | only xfce, mate, cinnamon and kde | 01:07 |
fsmithred | what iso do you have? | 01:07 |
frabbit | ascii | 01:08 |
fsmithred | netinstall, CD1 or DVD? | 01:08 |
frabbit | dvd | 01:08 |
fsmithred | 2.0 or 2.1? | 01:09 |
fsmithred | and arch | 01:09 |
frabbit | hm.. probably 2.0 | 01:09 |
frabbit | was 2.1 released on 21 december 2019? | 01:09 |
fsmithred | hang on | 01:09 |
frabbit | or was that just last change | 01:10 |
frabbit | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ | 01:10 |
fsmithred | yeah, 21 Dec | 01:10 |
frabbit | ok then i have definently 2.0 here | 01:10 |
frabbit | i use this disk since ascii is out and stable | 01:11 |
frabbit | *disc | 01:11 |
fsmithred | yeah, it should work ok | 01:11 |
frabbit | lxqt is only on 2.1? | 01:11 |
fsmithred | no, I tested it on 2.0 | 01:11 |
frabbit | o0 | 01:11 |
frabbit | expert installer? | 01:11 |
fsmithred | but I'm sure it's on 2.1 amd64 netinstall | 01:11 |
fsmithred | nope | 01:11 |
fsmithred | it's in the tasksel list with the other desktops | 01:12 |
frabbit | ok i use expert... | 01:12 |
frabbit | yes i have the list here and theres no lxqt... | 01:12 |
fsmithred | yeah, and it should be in the tasksel list with the other desktops | 01:12 |
fsmithred | expert or regular shouldn't matter | 01:12 |
frabbit | would be weird otherwise... | 01:12 |
frabbit | so no lxqt 4 me | 01:13 |
frabbit | but 4 u... | 01:13 |
frabbit | same iso... | 01:13 |
frabbit | thats weird too ^^ | 01:13 |
frabbit | does the tasksel list chnage when u use a network connection on install? | 01:14 |
frabbit | *change | 01:14 |
fsmithred | I don't think so | 01:15 |
frabbit | ... | 01:15 |
fsmithred | but maybe it does. | 01:16 |
fsmithred | I think I've seen that on CD1 | 01:16 |
frabbit | what lxqt? | 01:16 |
fsmithred | no, shorter tasksel list | 01:16 |
frabbit | i thought u used the dvd iso? | 01:16 |
fsmithred | I used the netinstall iso yesterday | 01:16 |
frabbit | but i have dvd here... | 01:16 |
frabbit | but netinstall is something different... | 01:17 |
fsmithred | well, if you choose a network mirror with any of the install isos, you get a netinstall | 01:17 |
fsmithred | i.e. latest software pulled from repo | 01:17 |
frabbit | i always do offline installation | 01:18 |
frabbit | after that i minimize the base system and install apt-transport-https to upgrade devuan over https | 01:19 |
frabbit | what default system tools in that tasksel list? | 01:20 |
fsmithred | if you install a desktop system from CD1 or DVD without mirror, some things will not be installed. | 01:20 |
fsmithred | standard system utilities? | 01:20 |
frabbit | yes | 01:20 |
frabbit | (have non english version here) | 01:21 |
fsmithred | things like less, bzip2 whois and some other stuff like that | 01:21 |
frabbit | ok | 01:21 |
frabbit | i never run this section so ineed to ask ^^ | 01:21 |
frabbit | i do not understand why i have no lxqt here... | 01:22 |
fsmithred | neither do I | 01:22 |
frabbit | was it default at urs? | 01:22 |
frabbit | here it is xfce as default... | 01:22 |
frabbit | maybe theres a version between 2.0.0 and 2.1? | 01:23 |
fsmithred | xfce is the default desktop | 01:23 |
frabbit | ok | 01:24 |
frabbit | i normally do not install one so i dont know that neitehr | 01:24 |
frabbit | *neither | 01:24 |
frabbit | last time i saw such a list was in debian times.. dunno 3 years ago or so... | 01:25 |
frabbit | i try xfce... | 01:26 |
frabbit | is lxqt much light/faster then xfce? | 01:26 |
frabbit | lxqt was much slower then lxde thats what i reconized here... | 01:27 |
frabbit | (probably because it does much eye candy...) | 01:27 |
fsmithred | I don't know lxqt well. I use xfce most of the time. | 01:29 |
frabbit | reading release notes atm, it says that the repo has changed to deb.devuan.org will pkgmaster.devuan.org be discontinoue? | 01:30 |
fsmithred | no, pkgmaster is the master server. deb.devuan is the round-robin | 01:31 |
frabbit | lol it doesnt install just xfce, it installs a lot of programs... *facepalm* | 01:31 |
frabbit | fsmithred: ok | 01:31 |
fsmithred | yeah, task-xfce-desktop or task-whatever-desktop installs a very full system | 01:32 |
frabbit | envince, vlc, firefox... o0 | 01:32 |
fsmithred | and you will have trouble if you try to remove a lot of it | 01:32 |
frabbit | thats really beginner stuff i totally forgot this default way of installation XD | 01:32 |
frabbit | way to big .. no maybe even bloated | 01:33 |
frabbit | Xp that takes double as long then basic installation... | 01:34 |
frabbit | 66% atm XD | 01:35 |
frabbit | a cancel button would be nice here ;) | 01:35 |
frabbit | is it hard to create an installer 4 devuan? | 01:38 |
frabbit | or better: a customized installer | 01:38 |
fsmithred | the installer isos? | 01:38 |
fsmithred | getting it all right can be tricky | 01:39 |
frabbit | ermm i mean this blu-red ncurses thing here | 01:39 |
frabbit | only that | 01:39 |
fsmithred | you don't like that? | 01:40 |
frabbit | what? no i do! | 01:40 |
fsmithred | it's better than the graphical installer | 01:40 |
frabbit | of course | 01:40 |
frabbit | i mean: graphical installer? what is that? ;) | 01:40 |
frabbit | it just would be cool to add my install scripts to it | 01:41 |
frabbit | and probably run everything automatically without asking (except passphrases) | 01:41 |
fsmithred | you can do that with pre-seeding | 01:42 |
frabbit | fsmithred: what is that | 01:42 |
frabbit | ? | 01:42 |
fsmithred | customizing the debian installer | 01:42 |
frabbit | =) | 01:42 |
fsmithred | to run the way you want | 01:42 |
frabbit | cool! | 01:42 |
frabbit | is that easy? | 01:42 |
fsmithred | automated install | 01:42 |
fsmithred | I have no idea | 01:42 |
frabbit | =D | 01:43 |
frabbit | my instalelr would be done with a whole productive system i about..15 minutes i guess | 01:43 |
frabbit | while i watching a video =) | 01:44 |
frabbit | oh fsmithred | 01:45 |
fsmithred | ? | 01:45 |
frabbit | theres some cosmetic "bug" in expert installer | 01:45 |
fsmithred | what is it? | 01:45 |
frabbit | 4 the name of the vg it suggests Debian | 01:45 |
frabbit | im not sure but i think in graphical installer that wasnt... | 01:46 |
frabbit | i mentioned this months ago but always forgot to report it X) | 01:46 |
fsmithred | I got /dev/mapper/devuan--vg-root | 01:46 |
fsmithred | yesterday | 01:46 |
frabbit | as suggest? | 01:47 |
fsmithred | I used guided partitioning for encrypted lvm | 01:47 |
fsmithred | so I took whatever it gave me | 01:47 |
frabbit | me too but with different partitions for tmp var home | 01:47 |
frabbit | it always gave me Debian in expert installer | 01:48 |
frabbit | and after that a hint taht "systemd is the best thing on earth ever!!1!" as text message... | 01:49 |
frabbit | no that was a joke | 01:49 |
frabbit | =D | 01:49 |
frabbit | the last one i mean | 01:49 |
fsmithred | yeah, I know | 01:49 |
fsmithred | in beowulf, your boot menu will say Debian | 01:50 |
frabbit | =O | 01:50 |
frabbit | How dare it! | 01:51 |
fsmithred | you're right - lxqt is not on the dvd at all. I guess you only see it as a choice if you choose a mirror. | 02:14 |
frabbit | ok | 02:58 |
frabbit | installed lxqt-core but i cannot shutdown from that menu and it even do not show me any devices... | 02:59 |
frabbit | man.. and so slow.. who want that crap? | 03:00 |
frabbit | was it right that consolekit causes problems? it is in xfce too... | 03:06 |
gnarface | frabbit: really, read the release notes, at least the section about it | 03:09 |
gnarface | it explains it the best | 03:09 |
frabbit | gnarface: u mean this: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 03:10 |
gnarface | yea | 03:10 |
gnarface | just do a string search for consolekit, or elogind, then read that section | 03:10 |
frabbit | ive already red it | 03:12 |
frabbit | but this installation i didnt installed a dm, so i will try again with lxqt and lightdm | 03:13 |
frabbit | these scripts from tasksel are they available somewhere? | 03:14 |
frabbit | as i thought: it doesnt work | 03:19 |
frabbit | thers lxqt, lightdm, elogind... | 03:19 |
frabbit | *theres | 03:19 |
frabbit | this crap wastes my lifetime | 03:20 |
frabbit | douzen of desk.env. but none works out of the box... | 03:21 |
frabbit | like the most in linux... | 03:21 |
fsmithred | you didn't exactly open the box in the normal way | 03:21 |
frabbit | fsmithred: of course not because there was no lxqt in my tasksel | 03:22 |
frabbit | but even if... it would install douzen of unwanted packages too, just like xfce... | 03:22 |
frabbit | i dont want that | 03:22 |
frabbit | u choose a dektop env. and it installs u a pdfreader a webbrowser.... wtf?! | 03:23 |
fsmithred | download a refracta iso and use my package list. xfce without metapackages, so you can add and remove stuff easily. | 03:23 |
frabbit | fsmithred: refracta iso? ur package list? | 03:23 |
fsmithred | hang on and I'll paste my notes somewhere and you can make your own | 03:24 |
frabbit | ok... | 03:24 |
fsmithred | Refracta is a derivative distro | 03:24 |
frabbit | ok i only saw this in devuan live where i tried to built my own live system | 03:27 |
fsmithred | yeah, refractainstaller and refractasnapshot are tools for making and installing your own live iso | 03:28 |
fsmithred | frabbit, look especially at the last section: https://termbin.com/33rn | 04:32 |
frabbit | fsmithred: ok thx.. what to do with that list? | 04:48 |
fsmithred | look at what I installed for xfce | 04:49 |
frabbit | another question: does tasksel depnds on aptitude? cause my tasksel here on hdd fails with error: tasksel:Aptitude failed (100) | 04:49 |
fsmithred | no, it shouldn't need aptitude | 04:50 |
frabbit | o0 | 04:50 |
frabbit | i tried it often now.. it has get 1036 files (i choose lxqt) but then it stops... | 04:51 |
fsmithred | you're installing with mirror now? | 04:52 |
frabbit | no ive installed from my dvd, minimal again. but now i run tasksel with root | 04:53 |
frabbit | i can choose lxqt now | 04:53 |
fsmithred | there's no lxqt on the dvd | 04:53 |
frabbit | no | 04:53 |
frabbit | the installation is already done | 04:53 |
frabbit | im on tty with root now | 04:53 |
frabbit | and i have runned tasksel | 04:54 |
frabbit | planned was to set up an easy to use system for a person who use a computer first time and i got into the hardest and most annoying installation routine i ever was... XP | 05:00 |
frabbit | fsmithred: i dont become wise with ur list... | 05:02 |
fsmithred | if you want xfce4, don't install xfce4 (it's a metapackage). Install the parts instead. | 05:02 |
frabbit | the parts_ | 05:03 |
frabbit | ? | 05:03 |
frabbit | everz package in ur list that begins with xfce_ | 05:03 |
frabbit | ? | 05:03 |
fsmithred | xfconf xfdesktop4 xfwm4 xfce4-terminal xfce4-session | 05:03 |
fsmithred | if you want some other desktop, do it the same way. Install the parts you want. | 05:04 |
fsmithred | It will require some research to figure out which parts you want | 05:04 |
frabbit | and that will make it possibel to use external medias? | 05:04 |
frabbit | these 5 packages? | 05:04 |
fsmithred | if you do it right, yes | 05:04 |
fsmithred | fuck no, not just those 4 | 05:04 |
fsmithred | t5 | 05:04 |
frabbit | ... | 05:05 |
fsmithred | if you want a full desktop for a newbie, you probably should just accept the full desktop with all its cruft | 05:05 |
frabbit | great... | 05:05 |
fsmithred | if you want a custom job with everything working, it's gonna take some work | 05:05 |
fsmithred | the package list I gave you is the one I use for refracta and everything works | 05:06 |
frabbit | i have a nice working system | 05:06 |
fsmithred | you could replace lxdm with lightdm | 05:06 |
frabbit | but when it comes to gui stuff | 05:06 |
fsmithred | for you | 05:06 |
frabbit | yes 4 me | 05:06 |
fsmithred | not for your newbie friend | 05:06 |
frabbit | but the other person needs icons and stuff.. | 05:06 |
fsmithred | who probably doesn't know enough to care about cruft | 05:06 |
frabbit | "friend" =D | 05:07 |
fsmithred | and would probably like kde | 05:07 |
frabbit | its an old woman ;) | 05:07 |
frabbit | kde yug... | 05:07 |
frabbit | no no | 05:07 |
fsmithred | the default xfce desktop is pretty good | 05:07 |
fsmithred | it has icons and menus like every sane OS since win95 | 05:07 |
frabbit | is there a way to remove some packages from that tasksel choosen desk.env. in installation? | 05:07 |
fsmithred | sane UI | 05:07 |
fsmithred | no. Tasksel is a curse. | 05:08 |
frabbit | a curse? =D | 05:08 |
frabbit | something spooky? | 05:08 |
frabbit | *sigh* | 05:08 |
fsmithred | no, just that you get all the extra baggage with your choices | 05:08 |
frabbit | phew.. so i will install xfce then and have great fun removing unwanted packages after install... °_° cant.. wait.. | 05:09 |
fsmithred | why do you need to remove them? | 05:10 |
fsmithred | put the icons she needs on the desktop and be done with it | 05:10 |
frabbit | i dont want this evince pdf 4 example | 05:10 |
frabbit | and manz other too... | 05:10 |
fsmithred | you want the old lady to use xpdf? | 05:10 |
frabbit | i have a packagelist 4 a beginner system | 05:10 |
frabbit | no | 05:10 |
frabbit | qpdf | 05:11 |
frabbit | xpdf is crap and it also can use javascrip.. | 05:11 |
frabbit | if u like i cant paste mz list somewhere | 05:11 |
frabbit | *i can | 05:11 |
fsmithred | no thanks | 05:11 |
fsmithred | I'm going to bed in a few minutes | 05:12 |
frabbit | =) good idea | 05:12 |
frabbit | im sitting here for hours again... | 05:12 |
frabbit | my beginner system is nearly perfect.. only that possibilty to use external medias in pcmanfm wasnt working... thats why i begun to install lxde-core etc... | 05:14 |
frabbit | actual i would just need another fm that makes this possible by just install it... then everything would be fine... | 05:15 |
frabbit | but something like that seems to nonexist... | 05:15 |
frabbit | doesnt make sense to me that a program offer a function but do not install packages that bring that function to a system.. but hey... | 05:16 |
frabbit | *offers | 05:16 |
fsmithred | spacefm with pmount works | 05:19 |
fsmithred | pcmanfm with pmount works | 05:19 |
frabbit | so if i have pcmanfm i can install this package pmount..? | 05:20 |
frabbit | and then she could plug in every usb and use it? | 05:20 |
fsmithred | should work. I've done it. | 05:20 |
frabbit | nevr heard of this pmount | 05:21 |
fsmithred | lets user mount/unmount removable drives | 05:21 |
fsmithred | another one is udevil | 05:21 |
frabbit | yes ive red now.. | 05:21 |
frabbit | but not with terminal right? | 05:21 |
frabbit | ah... | 05:21 |
fsmithred | you can use pmount in terminal if you want | 05:21 |
fsmithred | but the file managers will work with it | 05:22 |
frabbit | but... | 05:22 |
frabbit | if thats all... | 05:22 |
frabbit | why i had to try all the other things today? ^^ | 05:22 |
frabbit | consolekit bla... | 05:22 |
fsmithred | you think you're finished now? | 05:23 |
frabbit | ? | 05:23 |
fsmithred | maybe, maybe not. | 05:23 |
fsmithred | you're trying to put together a custom system. | 05:23 |
frabbit | u said pcmanfm with pmount works.. | 05:23 |
fsmithred | it's not going to happen in one hour. | 05:23 |
frabbit | lol not even in 10... | 05:24 |
frabbit | no but really i have this system | 05:24 |
frabbit | the only problem is that mounting crap | 05:24 |
frabbit | as non-root user | 05:24 |
frabbit | the rest works great and its still very small for a system with so much gui programs | 05:25 |
fsmithred | ok, time for sleep | 05:26 |
fsmithred | good luck with it. | 05:26 |
fsmithred | good night | 05:26 |
frabbit | fsmithred: good night | 05:27 |
frabbit | and thx for ur help =) | 05:27 |
frabbit | thx to gnarface and flrn too | 05:46 |
frabbit | bye | 05:46 |
Centurion_Dan | furrywolf: are you trying the wolf in sheeps clothing thing again??? you need to practise that Baa Baa a bit more. It's just not convincing... | 09:51 |
fling | When is the next release? | 10:03 |
bnjf | fling: you can dist-upgrade into it now, if you're keen | 11:55 |
fling | bnjf: thanks | 12:15 |
bnjf | fling: i was tempted, but i only switched to devuan the other day to minimise maintenance :P | 12:49 |
bnjf | so i'll wait till it's deemed ready | 12:49 |
frabbit | hi. i cant burn the devuan iso to dvd: https://paste2.org/pB8HaBfL | 21:36 |
frabbit | the device plays cds and dvds without problems. | 21:36 |
Akuli | frabbit, do you have a usb stick? | 21:45 |
Akuli | also try: ls /dev | 21:46 |
Akuli | oops | 21:46 |
frabbit | Akuli: yes i have an usb stick. | 21:47 |
Akuli | you can write the devuan iso to that | 21:47 |
frabbit | already done, i want a dvd | 21:47 |
frabbit | i always have to different installation medias | 21:48 |
Akuli | do you have a computer that doesn't boot from usb stick? some old computers are like that | 21:48 |
Akuli | in those cases, you can put a thing called plop boot manager to a dvd, and boot that | 21:48 |
Akuli | then use it to boot the usb stick | 21:48 |
frabbit | Akuli: no its fine i just want to burn that iso on dvd as i did douzens times before... | 21:50 |
Akuli | ok :D ls /dev | 21:51 |
Akuli | it could be called sr0 or sr1 or something | 21:51 |
frabbit | Akuli: what do u need from that output? | 21:51 |
Akuli | you can pastebin it all, i would look for things starting with sr | 21:51 |
Akuli | the error message you pastebinned ends with: Cannot open '/dev/sr0' | 21:51 |
frabbit | sr0 is there... | 21:51 |
Akuli | are you running this with sudo? | 21:51 |
frabbit | how could i play cds and dvds if it wasnt | 21:52 |
frabbit | no as root | 21:52 |
frabbit | i dont use sudo | 21:52 |
Akuli | i don't know how permissions for these things work :D | 21:52 |
frabbit | for what? | 21:52 |
frabbit | ls or wodim? | 21:52 |
Akuli | the dvd drive | 21:52 |
Akuli | i have never had issues with gui dvd burners | 21:52 |
frabbit | u need to run wodim as root | 21:52 |
frabbit | wodim isnt a gui.. | 21:53 |
Akuli | i know | 21:53 |
Akuli | wodim: No medium found. Cannot open '/dev/sr0' | 21:53 |
Akuli | i guess you put the dvd to the drive? | 21:53 |
frabbit | yes | 21:53 |
frabbit | i tried different empty dvds | 21:54 |
Akuli | i would try a gui dvd burning program | 21:54 |
frabbit | alays the same output | 21:54 |
frabbit | *always | 21:54 |
frabbit | Akuli: no i wont XD | 21:54 |
frabbit | also u know that they all use wodim right? | 21:55 |
Akuli | i don't know how the gui dvd burner programs work, they are magic :D | 21:56 |
Wonka | growisofs for the win | 21:56 |
frabbit | Akuli: ur gui programs are just frontends... | 22:00 |
frabbit | oh 4 my problem: i forgot to say that ive done that douzen times with this drive and these types of dvds under devuan | 22:02 |
frabbit | Akuli: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_and_back_ends | 22:03 |
Akuli | i understood, yes | 22:03 |
frabbit | noone has a clue about this wodim error? o0 | 22:40 |
Akuli | i didn't find much by googling it | 22:41 |
Starbeamrainbowl | Hello, I was looking for the devuan-arm channel (I've followed the instructions on the Devuan website), and it's claiming that there's no such name or channel? I'm confused. | 23:41 |
fsmithred | Starbeamrainbowl, I see familiar names in #devuan-arm on freenode.net | 23:44 |
Starbeamrainbowl | Ah, thanks @fsmithred! I must have forgotten the hash. | 23:45 |
fsmithred | you're using an irc client? | 23:45 |
Starbeamrainbowl | Erm I'm now getting "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services" | 23:45 |
fsmithred | oh, yeah, you might need to be registered | 23:45 |
fsmithred | and logged in | 23:45 |
fsmithred | (anti-spam measures) | 23:46 |
Starbeamrainbowl | What's this registration thing? I'm not an IRC user myself | 23:46 |
fsmithred | there's a way to register with NickServ | 23:46 |
Starbeamrainbowl | What's "NickServ"? | 23:46 |
fsmithred | I guess it's the server that handles logins (and nicknames) | 23:47 |
Starbeamrainbowl | I....see? So much work just to ask a question :-/ | 23:47 |
Starbeamrainbowl | All I wanted to know what whether Devuan has support for the Rock Pi S or the Nano Pi Neo (/2) | 23:48 |
Starbeamrainbowl | It's not listed in the ARM boards list, so I'm guessing the answer is no | 23:48 |
fsmithred | yeah, I think you're right. Those names don't look familiar | 23:48 |
fsmithred | support for arm boards is spotty. We're turning it over to community volunteers. | 23:49 |
fsmithred | More info at the forum: http://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 | 23:50 |
Starbeamrainbowl | What? I just lost connection - and it hasn't saved my history | 23:50 |
fsmithred | oops. You were gone. I'll repeat. | 23:50 |
fsmithred | support for arm boards is spotty. We're turning it over to community volunteers. | 23:50 |
fsmithred | More info at the forum: http://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 | 23:50 |
Starbeamrainbowl | Thanks :-) | 23:50 |
Starbeamrainbowl | Ah, I see. Sounds like support could be a few years off then. Thanks for the info! | 23:51 |
fsmithred | You might be able to get some help building your own images | 23:51 |
Starbeamrainbowl | That'd be great if possible! I do not yet own the boards I mentioned earlier. I'm just researching support at this time - so that I can decide whether it's worth me buying them | 23:52 |
Starbeamrainbowl | The SoCs of the above are either Allwinner H5 or RK3308 | 23:52 |
fsmithred | I know nothing | 23:59 |
Starbeamrainbowl | No problem. A thought: could I install Debian Buster 'normally' for the board and then migrate to Devuan/ | 23:59 |
Starbeamrainbowl | *? | 23:59 |
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