fling | Can I convert any debian version? | 03:04 |
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fsmithred | can you be more specific? | 03:04 |
fling | I'm thinking to convert few debians to devuan | 03:05 |
fling | They could be of a random version. | 03:05 |
fsmithred | etch? | 03:05 |
fling | maybe | 03:06 |
fsmithred | jessie or stretch will work | 03:06 |
MinceR | /usr/bin/wololo | 03:06 |
fling | No such file or directory | 03:06 |
fsmithred | buster can work or can be hell, depending on how you do it | 03:06 |
MinceR | it was a joke | 03:06 |
fling | Is there a good guide? | 03:07 |
fsmithred | yeah, hang on | 03:07 |
fling | thanks | 03:08 |
fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii | 03:08 |
fsmithred | buster would migrate to beowulf, but beowulf hasn't been released yet | 03:09 |
fling | ok | 03:10 |
fling | will use wololo too, thanks | 03:12 |
fling | Is there another app for creating models from detected images? | 03:22 |
fsmithred | other than what? | 03:24 |
fling | wololo only detects faces | 03:25 |
MinceR | lol | 03:28 |
waynedpj | ahoy all. is it possible install a >5 linux kernel in Devuan via apt/etc? i have to test out Btrfs swapfile support. thanks. | 17:05 |
mason | waynedpj: You can presumably use the normal Debian make-kpkg to do it, but because it's not tied to the bleeding-edge kernel, I'd note that ZFS works with whatever kernel version you've already got. | 17:06 |
waynedpj | mason thanks i will take a look at that (i am new to the Debian/Devuan world). | 17:11 |
mason | waynedpj: If your goal is BtrFS you'll want to look at make-kpkg first, but it's worth knowing what options exist. | 17:12 |
GyrosGeier | I had lots of trouble with swapfiles, even without bringing btrfs into the mix | 17:17 |
waynedpj | @mason i have some experience with Btrfs so will try that first, but thanks for the pointer. | 17:32 |
waynedpj | should the make-kpkg generated kernel basically "plug and play" into a running Devuan stable 2.1 system i.e. generate the kernel package and then apt install it? | 17:33 |
GyrosGeier | yes | 17:33 |
GyrosGeier | the kernel doesn't have systemd integration | 17:33 |
mason | yet | 17:34 |
GyrosGeier | and the one place where it should have, the systemd people decided they didn't want it after all | 17:34 |
mason | kdbus was knocked down by the kernel developers, not the systemd folk | 17:34 |
GyrosGeier | Lennart's bootloader is useful though | 17:34 |
GyrosGeier | except that the link that adds freshly installed kernels to systemd-boot is broken | 17:35 |
GyrosGeier | kdbus was largely knocked down because it's a variant of netlink | 17:35 |
GyrosGeier | and if they wanted, they could just use netlink instead | 17:35 |
mason | Who needs a bootloader when we have the kernel UEFI stub now? | 17:35 |
GyrosGeier | but then they'd have to actually define an interface and everything | 17:36 |
GyrosGeier | true | 17:36 |
GyrosGeier | but one still needs to make sure the kernel is copied to the ESP and properly registered | 17:36 |
GyrosGeier | a minimal bootloader that pulls that information from the filesystem instead of the EFI environment, and that offers commandline edit is still useful | 17:37 |
mason | Not hard to do, though. Lately I have efibootmgr entries for each disk in my boot mirror, and for the previous version of the kernel/initramfs. | 17:37 |
GyrosGeier | is your solution packaged, and why not? | 17:38 |
mason | Yeah, that could be useful given the wild variability in UEFI implementations. Not all of them give you a UEFI shell. | 17:38 |
mason | GyrosGeier: I've documented it a couple times. It needs more polish. | 17:38 |
mason | GyrosGeier: My hope is to eventually get it into the actual installer, or at least a usable fork thereof. | 17:39 |
GyrosGeier | well | 17:39 |
GyrosGeier | all the installer needs is a package to install that registers in the appropriate place | 17:39 |
mason | I've seen folks hook into automated updates too, but I haven't done that yet. | 17:40 |
mason | Still manual here. | 17:40 |
GyrosGeier | ls /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ | 17:40 |
GyrosGeier | just add a script there | 17:41 |
mason | GyrosGeier: I will at some point. | 17:42 |
mason | GyrosGeier: FWIW, the guts of the script would be similar to: https://bpaste.net/P4SA | 17:42 |
mason | so fairly trivial, which is actually why I haven't bothered automating it yet | 17:43 |
mason | Some scaffolding to compare checksums to see if something has actually changed would be a nice addition, I guess, so you don't end up with the main and .old versions being identical. | 17:43 |
GyrosGeier | .old is supposed to be a different version number | 17:44 |
mason | More clearly, "am I copying in something new?" | 17:44 |
GyrosGeier | that is what apt does as well | 17:44 |
GyrosGeier | there is special handling in apt that says "for packages matching 'kernel-image-*' keep the last two versions" | 17:45 |
GyrosGeier | (when automatically installed) | 17:45 |
mason | Yeah, plugging into that would make sense. | 17:45 |
fsmithred | damn, I'm too late. He's gone. | 18:11 |
fsmithred | there's a 5.3 kernel in beowulf-backports | 18:11 |
mason | doh | 18:35 |
golinux | And there's an issue in FF that there is no space after the dyne logo and following text. Pale moon and chromium are fine. | 18:50 |
golinux | Ooops/ wrong channel | 18:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBq7VMIkgPk TLBLEED | 19:48 |
specing | DocScrutinizer05: What do you think of the pinephone? It seems to be a consumer phone designed for consumers but says it is for developers ... ?! | 19:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | specing: I didn't look into it | 19:56 |
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