| emdete1 | i've got an old pentium-notebook, would like to install debian and wonder when debian gave up support for old 386-processors, does someone know the last release i could install? (ok, it's not a devuan topic, but perhaps someone knows?) is it when they switched arch from x86-32 to i386? | 11:35 |
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| buZz | afaik the linux kernel -itself- removed 80386 support | 11:36 |
| buZz | but i think current debian/devuan should install on a pentium1 just fine | 11:36 |
| buZz | thats a '586' anyway | 11:36 |
| buZz | :) | 11:36 |
| omnio | emdete1: how old is your CPU? I run Devuan Ascii on an AMD Duron 850 MHz (that's an i686) | 11:40 |
| fsmithred | there's a 586 kernel in ascii, but in beowulf, the lowest is 686 | 11:40 |
| fsmithred | 686 requires pentium-pro or better | 11:40 |
| buZz | ah | 11:43 |
| buZz | tnx fsmithred | 11:43 |
| omnio | strange, in ascii linux-image-586 is a "dummy package", while linux-image-686 is a "meta-package" | 11:47 |
| omnio | and installing linux-image-586 just pulls in linux-image-686 | 11:56 |
| buZz | bah :( | 11:58 |
| gnarface | it would probably not be too hard to rebuild the beowulf kernel package as 586 again though | 12:10 |
| gnarface | hope is not lost running beowulf on that thing if you're willing to compile a kernel | 12:10 |
| emdete1 | yes, i think its pure pentium, meaning 586. so the binaries are fine but the kernel is required to be "old"? | 12:20 |
| emdete1 | yes, for that little box i would do even that 😉 i am happily out of kernel compile since year.... | 12:21 |
| gnarface | emdete1: i don't think it even has to be an old version. i might be wrong about that, but i think it's still an available build option in the current versions of the kernels, just not one that's enabled by default everywhere anymore | 12:22 |
| gnarface | emdete1: if you have a machine with a newer cpu that does boot devuan, you could easily build it i think | 12:23 |
| emdete1 | great. i was happy with an old debian because it lacks systemd (i started with debian before buzz which was like devuan is today: good old unix. 😉 ) but devuan would be even better! | 12:26 |
| * buZz triggered | 12:27 | |
| buZz | :) | 12:27 |
| buZz | i never ran debian back when buzz came out | 12:27 |
| yeti | nah | 13:08 |
| yeti | buzz had no apt | 13:08 |
| yeti | that makes a huge difference | 13:08 |
| yeti | nevertheless... even dpkg-only debian was a huge step forward compared with the competitors of those days | 13:09 |
| djph | I remember trying to use slackware back in ... '06 (? maybe), and poking around was "oh packages are soooo easy with Debian ..." | 13:14 |
| emdete1 | before debian i suffered from suse, later "LSD" a german distro too | 14:48 |
| emdete1 | yeti: do you remember dselect? :D | 14:49 |
| emdete1 | back in those days we told even a chicken can install debian 'cause you only have to pick enter. so putting some grain on that key would do the trick ;) | 14:50 |
| yeti | yip | 14:52 |
| yeti | installing was mostly enter | 14:52 |
| yeti | dselect wasn't | 14:52 |
| yeti | I schooled sysadmins in deselect days... their 1st impression of it was something between shock and horror | 14:54 |
| onefang | Shorrorck? | 14:54 |
| yeti | but after some hours they accepted my projection "you'll get used to it fast" | 14:54 |
| yeti | aptitude is much nicer but far too slow | 14:56 |
| yeti | try it on a PI1 | 14:56 |
| yeti | or slower board | 14:56 |
| yeti | does it really need to be soooo slow? | 14:56 |
| yeti | there's something wrong with it | 14:57 |
| yeti | suse degraded after 6.x | 14:58 |
| yeti | it was super stable in the 6.x days | 14:58 |
| yeti | 7.x was a deaster | 14:59 |
| yeti | I was forced to use it @work | 14:59 |
| yeti | tried to convince them to use debian but they thought it were for universities only | 14:59 |
| yeti | or such | 14:59 |
| yeti | BUT: when I was away, they switched | 15:00 |
| yeti | probybly big boss claimed it were his great idea then | 15:00 |
| yeti | but some excoworkers called me and new it wasnt | 15:00 |
| yeti | knew | 15:01 |
| yeti | I bet he watche all dialin lines and the internet for me loggin in after leaving | 15:03 |
| yeti | no way! | 15:04 |
| yeti | I'm not an idiot... | 15:04 |
| GyrosGeier | dselect is slower than apt on the same package list | 15:11 |
| yeti | aptitude on sub 1GHz boxes is a pain | 15:25 |
| emdete1 | suse was fine for mainstream but if you needed it for something special it wasnt prepared for that, i found even artefacts in their scripts where they gave up some special case | 15:25 |
| emdete1 | here are the specs for my notebook: 16MB RAM, 510MB HDD. i thought of reading/writing the HDD with an USB-adapter i have around from my usual notbook but that adapter cant read the disk (while it detects it) it only reads 512KB from it - even detects it as 512KB disk. no clue whats wrong. another similar disk ist detected fine. | 15:27 |
| * Evilham kindly points at #debianfork | 15:28 | |
| emdete1 | i doubt a recent linux will run with that. init? not possible. current kernel? doesnt even fit on the disk. | 15:28 |
| emdete1 | Evilham: thanks 🙂 probably i am starting to look for debianhistoric? | 15:29 |
| Evilham | nah, it's interesting, it's just in theory this channel should so people ask for helpwhen they run into trouble | 15:30 |
| Evilham | *is supposed to be bla bla, I can't English today | 15:30 |
| Evilham | and, from experience, that's harder when there is a lot of chit chat about (mostly) unrelated things; except for the people who just drop in and ask immediately without feeling the room, who tend to be super pushy and demanding | 15:32 |
| emdete1 | Evilham: you're right a 1995 notbook isnt trouble but own fault ;) | 15:34 |
| Evilham | it's sad, but supporting hardware is non trivial and... yes, old hw gets left behind | 15:35 |
| emdete1 | i love that box because it comes with an internal powersupply, only cable outside, no big black box. and its quite secure: no usb, no bt, no wifi, nothing with a blob. | 15:38 |
| rognarak88 | G'day everybody. Was just reading the IRC log linked on devuan.org, and I may be way too late now, but in case the conversation is still on... | 16:27 |
| rognarak88 | emdete1: Just out of curiosity, what are you going to use this machine for? | 16:27 |
| rognarak88 | (I have a few old timers in the basement, and I love them, but sadly they're pretty much useless these days...) | 16:28 |
| emdete1 | rognarak88: i just love old computers and play around, to be honest: there will be no real use for it. but hey, maybe i do my gpg over that machine through serial line? who knows. maybe i get paranoid one day... | 16:44 |
| rognarak88 | emdete1: Ah blast, I was hoping someone would finally provide me with a potential justification for not throwing out the old machines... :) | 16:48 |
| rognarak88 | Anyway, thanks for the info, and good luck with the project. I'll stop being off topic right now and resume silent lurker mode. | 16:49 |
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