golinux | I need a guinea pig who is using the cinnabar theme on beowulf and has chromium installed. | 00:04 |
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golinux | Any volunteers? | 00:05 |
onefang | mirrors.dotsrc.org is being a little slow with the updates right now. | 00:05 |
mason | golinux: I think we've got a box that matches that description here. No Chromium but that's easy to rectify. | 03:17 |
mason | I might not be able to get to testing until the morning, but if no one else steps up, send me some details of what you want tested. | 03:17 |
fsmithred | mason, if you have chromium in beowulf, go to pkginfo.devuan.org and highlight some text. Note the color of the highlight. Tell us if it matches the cinnabar theme or if it's blue. Or anything else it might be. | 03:26 |
mason | fsmithred: Ah, I can do that now. Installing. | 03:26 |
fsmithred | thanks | 03:27 |
mason | My daughter's workstation uses Cinnabar I believe. It's reddish XFCE anyway. | 03:27 |
fsmithred | it has to be the cinnabar theme | 03:28 |
fsmithred | make sure it's selected in Appearance and Window Manager in the settings manager | 03:28 |
fsmithred | two places | 03:28 |
mason | kk, will do - I see cinnabar packages installed | 03:28 |
mason | will veirfy | 03:28 |
fsmithred | if it's not, make sure you remember what it's set to or your daughter will get mad at you. | 03:29 |
fsmithred | I'm picturing something like my little pony theme | 03:30 |
mason | Um, cute little animals. But selecting Cinnabar didn't change her background, so that's fine. | 03:31 |
mason | pkginfo.devuan.org, went to the screen package, highlighted text has a blue background | 03:31 |
golinux | mason go to settings > appearance and what do you see under theme? | 03:34 |
mason | golinux: Good catch. I had to reset it, and now I see something different but not quite right. It's quite a bit more brown than it ought to be. | 03:37 |
golinux | I meant the settings in chromium | 03:38 |
mason | Oh, is there a separate one? Looking. | 03:38 |
golinux | Choice is GTK+ or Classic | 03:39 |
mason | Yeah, it's set to GTK+, and evidently starts that way since this was a fresh install of Chromium. | 03:39 |
fsmithred | same here | 03:39 |
mason | Sorry for the lag - the machine's at another desk. | 03:39 |
fsmithred | and for me, the only other choice is to go to the google store | 03:40 |
fsmithred | no shit | 03:40 |
mason | same | 03:40 |
golinux | Is GTK+ iounder "theme" or in the RH box | 03:40 |
fsmithred | if I click on the checkbox, it sends me to a new tab | 03:40 |
golinux | ? | 03:40 |
fsmithred | ok, have to click on the words | 03:40 |
fsmithred | the checkbox is just bait | 03:40 |
mason | fsmithred: same; golinux: under theme | 03:40 |
yeti | the checkbox is for installing more themes | 03:40 |
golinux | Yup. | 03:41 |
fsmithred | ah | 03:41 |
fsmithred | and they say pictures are so much better than words | 03:41 |
* yeti prefers a shell and --help | 03:41 | |
golinux | It needs to say Use Classic in the toggle box which means the GTK+ is being nused | 03:41 |
golinux | Sorry for the typos. | 03:41 |
fsmithred | yeah, that's the default setting | 03:42 |
fsmithred | no | 03:42 |
golinux | That works OK here. | 03:42 |
fsmithred | that's the default non-setting | 03:42 |
yeti | GTK+ was default after installing the both here | 03:42 |
yeti | (chromium on 32 and 64 bit) | 03:42 |
mason | golinux: Yep, that's what I've got here. The colour is a bit too brown to look right to my eye. | 03:43 |
yeti | dark red wine | 03:43 |
fsmithred | yes, but as you said, it's hard to interpret with only two themes | 03:43 |
yeti | I like it | 03:43 |
golinux | Yes. I always read that as the one in the box indicating what was chosen but it is the other way around. | 03:43 |
yeti | its clear when you have 3 or more themes | 03:43 |
golinux | Yeti could you possibly post a screenshot of multiple themes? | 03:44 |
fsmithred | do I have to do something to apply the new theme? | 03:44 |
yeti | http://yeti.freeshell.org/tmp4gl/20200130-004303-GMT__64bit_VM_just_black_active.png | 03:44 |
mason | Well. One has an action verb, "use classic" - says to me 1) that that means classic isn't currently in use, and 2) the Chromium programmers think like I do, which may not be good | 03:44 |
golinux | It need GTK+ evidently which is the default. | 03:44 |
fsmithred | not here | 03:45 |
golinux | Am it totally fooled me. | 03:45 |
fsmithred | how do I get the blue highlight? | 03:45 |
fsmithred | do I need to restart chromium? | 03:45 |
golinux | Toggle the RH bok | 03:45 |
golinux | Yes. | 03:45 |
fsmithred | yeah, that changes the theme setting | 03:45 |
golinux | Now it will be blue | 03:45 |
fsmithred | no it won't | 03:46 |
fsmithred | doesn't | 03:46 |
yeti | restart chromium | 03:46 |
yeti | after theme change? | 03:46 |
yeti | modern GUIs make life easier... *cough²* | 03:46 |
golinux | Since the default is GTK+ the theme should work properly on a new install. It might not is a user has fiddled with those settings. | 03:47 |
fsmithred | ok, now I can get the blue - after restart | 03:47 |
mason | golinux: Is the brown colour desired/correct? | 03:47 |
fsmithred | oh, I didn't have to restart to get rid of the blue | 03:48 |
fsmithred | mason, yes | 03:48 |
mason | ah, kk | 03:48 |
golinux | Lhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=14307#p14307 | 03:48 |
golinux | Oops https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=14307#p14307 | 03:48 |
mrpfilser | it's annoying to work on collab projects where people insist on having their opinion FOLLOWED in matters where they are the least expert in the group | 03:50 |
golinux | It's the solid color of the text editor.color | 03:50 |
mrpfilser | this is where having logs is useful | 03:50 |
xrogaan | Who manage the mailing list? | 03:50 |
xrogaan | Been a while since I sent a message, still hasn't arrived. | 03:50 |
golinux | mason: Brown does not indicate a color accurately. #510505 does | 03:52 |
xrogaan | Following the ML, I read there was some spamfilter false hit that sometimes happen. | 03:52 |
mason | golinux: Not reddish enough, then. | 03:53 |
mason | I didn't look at the page source to see what it was actually using. | 03:53 |
golinux | xrogaan: The ML is moderated. Let me go unmoderate you | 03:53 |
fsmithred | mason, you're arguing with someone who can distinguish between 250,000 colors | 03:54 |
golinux | mason: It took me weeks to find the right color, on my monitor at least. | 03:54 |
golinux | Yes, I can see a difference in one increment of the hex code | 03:54 |
mason | That's fine. It's not the choice I'd have made, but that's the glory of this whole free software thing. :) | 03:55 |
mason | Put another way, golinux, if you care about it more and you're putting in the work, you get to pick the colour. :) | 03:56 |
golinux | It looks quite red to me. | 03:57 |
golinux | I can only vouch for my own perception on this nice Dell monitor | 03:57 |
yeti | I see colours differently with each eye... at one time in spring grass still is brown when snow fades away and with the other eye already green | 03:59 |
yeti | I'll never comment con colours... I promise! | 04:00 |
fsmithred | yeti, I've noticed the same thing | 04:00 |
fsmithred | but with red | 04:00 |
yeti | ok... I feel less alone then... | 04:00 |
yeti | :-D | 04:00 |
mason | I see different things in each eye in terms of shape, but the colours are usually close enough. | 04:01 |
fsmithred | when I look at the cinnabar colors, I see varying degrees of dried blood | 04:01 |
mason | fsmithred: That. | 04:01 |
onefang | When I look at dark purpy, I see no purple. | 04:01 |
fsmithred | it can look gray on some screens | 04:01 |
onefang | Considering the Frankenstein bolts on my main monitor, I'm not expecting great colour fidelity. lol | 04:02 |
fsmithred | golinux stuck herself with a pin and watched the blood dry to get the colors right | 04:03 |
fsmithred | ^^^ fake news | 04:03 |
onefang | Aww, and lol. | 04:03 |
xrogaan | golinux: will you know who I am though? :P | 04:04 |
mason | I can see the appeal of it. I just tend to think of a text-background highlight colour as typically being lighter than the decorations, and this one's darker than the decorations. | 04:04 |
golinux | mason: It a bloody dark theme! | 04:04 |
mason | hehe | 04:04 |
golinux | xrogaan: pm | 04:04 |
golinux | I need some info from you . . . maybe. Let me check the DB | 04:05 |
xrogaan | su doesn't make the shell a 'login shell' by default, I might have changed something but I can't remember what. Any idea as to where I should look? | 04:07 |
fsmithred | xrogaan, are you running beowulf? | 04:07 |
xrogaan | yes | 04:07 |
fsmithred | the behavior of su has changed | 04:07 |
fsmithred | use su - | 04:08 |
xrogaan | damn them all! | 04:08 |
fsmithred | to get root's path | 04:08 |
xrogaan | why wouldn't I want root's path? Geez. | 04:08 |
fsmithred | but then you also get switched to root's home | 04:08 |
fsmithred | I have no idea | 04:08 |
gnarface | it's about keeping your current user environment so as not to confuse your programs, but still getting root permission | 04:09 |
fsmithred | other option is to use full path for any command in */sbin | 04:09 |
fsmithred | yeah, I like to keep the user environment when I switch to root | 04:09 |
gnarface | not just path, the whole environment | 04:09 |
* golinux still doesn't understand this new root access thing. | 04:09 | |
fsmithred | chances are really high that I want to do something in the current directory | 04:09 |
* golinux really doesn't like change | 04:10 | |
gnarface | wait, what changed? ... i thought you always had to add "-" to get root's environment? | 04:10 |
golinux | Nope. Not till beowulf | 04:10 |
* gnarface has been doing "su -" the whole time... | 04:10 | |
fsmithred | su moved from shadow package to util linux | 04:10 |
fsmithred | oh | 04:10 |
fsmithred | well, just 'su' will keep you in the current directory and give you root privs but not root's path | 04:11 |
gnarface | right | 04:11 |
fsmithred | su - has not changed | 04:11 |
fsmithred | but in beowulf you no longer keep the user's ability to start graphical programs | 04:11 |
gnarface | oh | 04:11 |
gnarface | hmmm | 04:11 |
gnarface | is that actually due to a change in su? or is it a change to Xorg? | 04:12 |
fsmithred | I believe it's a change in su | 04:12 |
gnarface | hmmm, interesting... | 04:12 |
fsmithred | there's a section about it in buster release notes | 04:12 |
onefang | Root is new? | 04:12 |
fsmithred | I like to start gparted or synaptic from a root terminal | 04:12 |
fsmithred | lol, what? | 04:13 |
onefang | [13:09:45] *golinux still doesn't understand this new root access thing. | 04:13 |
fsmithred | only for those coming from 'buntu | 04:13 |
* yeti uses sudo for decades now... | 04:14 | |
onefang | sudo passwd | 04:14 |
onefang | Then even Ubuntu can have root. B-) | 04:14 |
fsmithred | you'll get banned from the ubuntu forum for posting that | 04:14 |
fsmithred | not kidding | 04:14 |
yeti | #ban_me_too | 04:14 |
onefang | Lucky this isn't an Ubuntu forum. | 04:14 |
onefang | Back when I used to use Ubuntu, I'd tend to do that first thing. | 04:16 |
fsmithred | me too | 04:16 |
onefang | That and apt install mc, which I try to do on any box I use. | 04:16 |
yeti | I see no reason to want ubuntu | 04:16 |
mason | Eh? They document that in a ton of places in the Ubuntu world. They wouldn't ban folks for that, would they? | 04:17 |
fsmithred | they cracked down on root info a few years ago | 04:17 |
fsmithred | maybe they lightened up since then. I don't know. | 04:18 |
mason | That's weird. | 04:18 |
fsmithred | yup. | 04:18 |
mason | Then again, they do some weird things, so, eh. Happy I'm here. | 04:18 |
onefang | I have some test Mint installs, don't think I have any more Ubuntu anywhere. | 04:18 |
golinux | <fsmithred> they cracked down on root info a few years ago | 04:20 |
golinux | More than a few years ago. | 04:20 |
fsmithred | they fly by | 04:20 |
golinux | :D | 04:21 |
kapil_ | hello, is this rolling release? | 13:56 |
djph | no | 14:03 |
mrpfilser | it isn't? | 14:09 |
mrpfilser | seems to be continuously upgrading packages to me | 14:09 |
djph | mrpfilser: Devuan is not rolling-release. | 14:14 |
mrpfilser | then i don't know what that means | 14:14 |
nemo | mrpfilser: the updates in debian and derivatives are security updates | 14:15 |
nemo | mrpfilser: debian snapshots every once in a while based on standard package versions, and then backports critical fixes. with some exceptions | 14:15 |
djph | mrpfilser: "rolling release" is a release style wherein releases of programs don't really have a "version" per se. | 14:16 |
nemo | djph: I was interpreting it as a gentoo-ish type thing where there's no distro versioning really, apart from the profile numbers | 14:16 |
nemo | djph: since he's presumably talking about the distro and not the linux software in it | 14:16 |
djph | mrpfilser: as opposed to "point release" (Debian, Devuan, many many other examples) which release a version (e.g. 1.0.0 Jessie or 2.0.0 Ascii) with minor releases in between each major. | 14:16 |
nemo | oh. and I guess all that is really directed at kapil_ | 14:17 |
djph | nemo: yeah, gentoo is a good example of rolling release | 14:17 |
nemo | who might not realise we are talking about their question otherwise | 14:17 |
mrpfilser | thanks for explanation | 14:17 |
nemo | mrpfilser: it's a major PITA for poor Hedgewars (the project I contribute to) since we have people who install Debian on their kid's gaming system | 14:18 |
nemo | then the kid comes by the server asking plaintively where everyone is | 14:18 |
kapil_ | what is difference between gentoo and devuan? | 14:18 |
djph | and he's 900 versions behind? | 14:18 |
nemo | mrpfilser: problem is they are on a version we released 4 years ago... | 14:18 |
nemo | djph: hehe | 14:18 |
mrpfilser | i guess that's why i'm on beowulf | 14:18 |
nemo | djph: our package maintainer who maintains debian and ubuntu sometimes gets the latest version pushed out into backports using the online play as major broken functionality defense | 14:19 |
nemo | djph: but a lot of people don't have backports enabled and if they did, have no idea how to install the package | 14:19 |
nemo | djph: so we devote a lot of time to helping debian kids | 14:19 |
djph | mrpfilser: beowulf is also in an unstable phase right now; so it changes pretty constantly | 14:19 |
mrpfilser | hedgewars is very cool but too fast for my slow brain. have you tried Hase artillery shooter nemo ? | 14:19 |
nemo | mrpfilser: too fast? how so? | 14:19 |
nemo | mrpfilser: it's extremely customisable | 14:19 |
nemo | mrpfilser: it's only as fast as you want it to be | 14:19 |
nemo | mrpfilser: can play with infinite turn length if you wish | 14:20 |
nemo | or with movement turned off | 14:20 |
djph | nemo: maybe toss in an out-of-band updater ala steam? | 14:20 |
nemo | or with any level of scripting you like | 14:20 |
mrpfilser | can i spectate hedgewars? | 14:20 |
djph | nemo: easier said than done, of course ... | 14:20 |
nemo | mrpfilser: you can... I'm not going to play right now 'cause I'm at work | 14:20 |
nemo | mrpfilser: could do an intro game or two if you like at some point | 14:20 |
nemo | show you the different modes | 14:20 |
nemo | djph: we have such for windows and OSX | 14:21 |
nemo | djph: unfortunately we haven't been great at maintaining it | 14:21 |
djph | shame on you, haha | 14:21 |
nemo | djph: for linux distros we'd rather not descend into that tarpit | 14:21 |
djph | so you're in the other tarpit of "distros are slow" :) | 14:21 |
nemo | djph: our recommendation for people who can't get their distro to cooperate or don't know how to use things like backports is to use some overlay distro | 14:21 |
nemo | djph: Nix for example | 14:23 |
nemo | djph: the OSX and Windows folks are pretty good at just installing off the website. It's the way it's been for so long in OSX/Windows world that no one really questions it | 14:23 |
nemo | djph: so simply having a nag message on server connect is enough without background stuff. people on old versions there are usually on them for some specific reason | 14:24 |
nemo | (maybe to play with a debian using friend 😉 ) | 14:24 |
djph | ha, yeah | 14:28 |
djph | long as there's something to indicate "hey, this is old ..." then you're good enough, I think | 14:29 |
nemo | djph: oh. beowulf is still unstable? that's good to know | 14:29 |
nemo | been that way for a couple of years it seems... | 14:29 |
nemo | unusually long even for a debian derivative | 14:29 |
djph | nemo: uhh I think tey only started in on it a year or so ago. Myabe 18 months? | 14:30 |
djph | Jessie was a long time coming too... | 14:32 |
mrpfilser | so beowulf would be a bad choice security wise, for a corporate environment right? just pulling in 'newest whatever' would be a bad idea right? | 14:34 |
djph | no | 14:34 |
djph | it would be a bad choice because it's in testing. | 14:35 |
mrpfilser | ok | 14:35 |
djph | perfectly fine for a preprod / QA environment, but prod would certainly want to be ascii | 14:35 |
mrpfilser | for me as hobbyist and compiler-of-fun-things, beowulf seems best | 14:36 |
fsmithred | beowulf is in testing and will be declared stable soon | 14:45 |
fsmithred | almost everything is in place | 14:45 |
fsmithred | (posted from beowulf) | 14:46 |
mrpfilser | what will be unstable repo name after beowulf? | 14:49 |
mrpfilser | or testing | 14:49 |
nemo | djph: seems longer than that... | 14:49 |
nemo | hm... lessee. where's my oldest beowulf iso | 14:49 |
djph | mrpfilser: something with a "C". I forget the name offhand, but it was already announced. | 14:49 |
mrpfilser | ceres? | 14:50 |
djph | no, that's unstable | 14:50 |
djph | and will remain that way | 14:50 |
djph | Chimera | 14:50 |
djph | *Chimaera | 14:50 |
nemo | fsmithred: oh cool | 15:06 |
nemo | fsmithred: beowulf is safe? | 15:06 |
nemo | fsmithred: I could, say, update the home computers? | 15:06 |
fsmithred | I've been using it for four weeks | 15:07 |
fsmithred | lots of packages have been updated recently | 15:07 |
fsmithred | we don't have installer isos yet - working on it | 15:07 |
djph | gonna start making some VMs soon -- nextcloud needs beowulf-level php or some such ... | 15:07 |
fsmithred | and I should be writing release notes as we speak | 15:07 |
Evilham | djph: I've been using php on beowulf for quite a while | 15:08 |
djph | figured on the old standby of 'sed -e s/ascii/beowulf/' < sources.list.old > sources.list | 15:08 |
Evilham | so, it should be fine :-D | 15:08 |
djph | Evilham: yeah, it's more "getting the time to spin up the new VM and then migrate off OwnCloud and onto Nextcloud and ... " | 15:09 |
fsmithred | all the stuff that we don't repackage has been considered stable for half a year | 15:09 |
fsmithred | nemo, yes | 15:09 |
fsmithred | bbl | 15:11 |
nemo | fsmithred: are there any particularly nasty surprises in the stuff you *do* repackage? ☺ | 15:12 |
nemo | like some authentication breaking | 15:12 |
Evilham | nothing on my radar | 15:14 |
nemo | cool | 15:16 |
Digit | is it normal for /etc/environment to be empty? or did i make a booboo somewhere in my meddlings? | 16:47 |
Digit | i type env, and i see 16 lines of environment variables. less than it was earlier before my various meddling. i dont recall doing anything to delete /etc/environment's contents, and hadnt checked the file prior, but earlier shells do have many more lines. should i just (effectively) env > /etc/environment? | 16:49 |
Digit | ah, i checked on a system i'm ssh'd into, and it too doesnt have anything in /etc/environment. so maybe i'm ok there. :3 still weird how older panes in my tmux have more environment variables set. | 16:51 |
nemo | Digit: well I can totally see old tabs accumulating env vars ☺ | 17:07 |
nemo | Digit: maybe pull a diff between the env on the two tabs to see if it is anything interesting | 17:08 |
Digit | thanks nemo. good idea. turns out nothing interesting. | 17:12 |
* Digit switches off panic mode | 17:13 | |
rwp | Digit, AFAIK the /etc/environment originated on IBM AIX and now exists on systems so that if someone puts something there it is respected. But mostly an empty file. | 18:10 |
rwp | Digit, IIRC Ubuntu uses it to set the default PATH. | 18:10 |
DonkeyHotei | rwp: also default language | 18:14 |
DonkeyHotei | primarily default language | 18:15 |
rwp | Back on AIX, yes the default language. But in Debian and downstream the locale setting was moved out of /etc/environment and into /etc/default/locale some time ago. | 18:19 |
rwp | Since then if one puts locale settings in /etc/environment will be various warnings about the location move. | 18:20 |
DonkeyHotei | hmm, on ubuntu 14.04 i have LC_ALL in both files | 18:21 |
DonkeyHotei | but LANG and LANGUAGE only in /etc/default/locale | 18:21 |
DonkeyHotei | and PATH only in /etc/environment | 18:21 |
rwp | To be clear /etc/environment is respected and used if it is not empty. So anything you have there behaves as expected. | 18:22 |
rwp | I know that Ubuntu puts PATH information in there for example. | 18:22 |
rwp | But I am coming here from a Debian base and in Debian it is an empty file on a pristine installation. | 18:22 |
rwp | Try this (for example): grep /etc/environment /etc/init.d/cron | 18:25 |
rwp | On my system this is what I see: http://paste.debian.net/1128371 | 18:27 |
nemo | hm | 19:02 |
nemo | I have a sucky annoying package here I have to run that was packaged for ubuntu. | 19:02 |
nemo | It has a buggy kernel module hook that I had fixed in ascii... | 19:03 |
nemo | for some reason, it does not seem to be reinstalling properly after I run the dpkg -i in beowulf. DEBIAN/postinst is always called as usual right? there was no change to that recently? | 19:03 |
mrpfilser | is there no option to compile it nemo ? | 19:05 |
golinux | nemo remember that the path might be different in beowulf. | 19:05 |
golinux | Please don't expect me to explain it. | 19:06 |
nemo | hm. guess I'll add some echoes to postinst | 19:16 |
nemo | looks like I hit the copies. whaaat | 19:32 |
nemo | oh. I see. my fixed header is missing somehow. oops | 19:33 |
nemo | hm. isn't even on this machine. odd | 19:33 |
mrpfilser | gnome chanced my font size again because i have a 4k display | 21:02 |
mrpfilser | and now my fonts are all CARTOONISHLY LARGE | 21:02 |
mrpfilser | web says change dpi with "gnome-tweak-tool" well that's deprecated | 21:03 |
mrpfilser | replaced by gnome-tweaks, but that cannot change dpi size | 21:03 |
mrpfilser | and everything else i try to change dpi size leaves me with CARTOONISHLY LARGE FONTS | 21:03 |
fluffywolf | apt-get install xfce4 | 21:03 |
mrpfilser | Xresources? nope | 21:03 |
fluffywolf | (or apt-get install icewm) | 21:04 |
mrpfilser | no, xfce4 chews up so much cpu my system dies | 21:04 |
mrpfilser | i want GTK2 and 3 to BEHAVE, not install someone else's DE | 21:04 |
mrpfilser | i had this all setup perfectly | 21:04 |
mrpfilser | gimped tool kit | 21:05 |
nemo | golinux: finally remembered what I was doing with that stupid package, but linux kernel headers have changed a fair amount between ascii and beowulf and my fixes to their stupid bitrotted code have further rotted | 21:17 |
nemo | golinux: appears they bundle a static binary module for ubuntu major releases and src based they include wasn't updated to keep pace | 21:18 |
nemo | this annoying product called Cylance btw. and their tech support was just "your fault for not using ubuntu" | 21:19 |
golinux | You were using a 'buntu kernel on devuan? | 21:20 |
golinux | No wonder things went south. Maybe I misread . . . | 21:20 |
nemo | golinux: I'm trying to install a "security" tool I'm required to install | 21:21 |
nemo | golinux: it adds a kernel module for its custom rootkit the workplace wants | 21:22 |
nemo | golinux: basically if I can't get it loaded on devuan I have to put ubuntu on my laptop | 21:22 |
nemo | and I'd rather not | 21:22 |
nemo | golinux: so I've gotta maintain their stupid bitrotted headers that they thankfully still include so they work with whatever kernel changes occur. getting ascii to work was fairly easy, just removing some stuff that debian doesn't enable | 21:23 |
nemo | beowulf looks like it'll be more work due to changes to the task scheduling | 21:23 |
Lydia_K | That sounds disgusting in so many ways nemo. | 21:25 |
Lydia_K | You have my condolences. | 21:25 |
Hum | nemo: Can you tell the name of the software, can you post a link? | 21:26 |
mrpfilser | oh restarting X got things to recover to my chosen dpi. maybe i justeded need to xrdb idk | 21:41 |
sacioz | hi all | 22:08 |
gnarface | hi sacioz. if you have a question, just ask. this is usually a pretty quiet channel. | 22:09 |
gnarface | you might have to wait a while for a response. | 22:09 |
sacioz | Thanks , but just looking around | 22:09 |
sacioz | first timer, see ))) | 22:09 |
gnarface | i know, because you said hi :) | 22:10 |
sacioz | no harm done one hopes | 22:10 |
gnarface | no harm done. but greetings don't usually get responses in here. | 22:11 |
sacioz | fair enuff | 22:11 |
gnarface | lots of newcomers leave frustrated because they think it's abandoned. | 22:11 |
gnarface | so when i see someone saying "hi" i try to encourage them to lead with questions | 22:12 |
sacioz | not I , seen quite a few nicks | 22:12 |
gnarface | questions will usually get responses, though not always quickly | 22:12 |
gnarface | greetings often go ignored | 22:12 |
gnarface | or at least unacknowledged | 22:12 |
sacioz | Many thanks , will go out for a bit | 22:13 |
sacioz | may return s/time later , bye for now | 22:13 |
gnarface | feel free to idle. nobody cares if you take up seat space | 22:13 |
gnarface | peace | 22:13 |
sacioz | lol ...I wish...other things to do... | 22:14 |
sacioz | cyas | 22:14 |
mrpfilser | i wish urxvt rendered faster. it's so slow on arm boxes | 22:21 |
tuxd3v | I use xterm, and its ok | 23:12 |
* Digit <3s st, fish, his own fonts(dbtfc)/colours/configs, and all seems crisp in xmonad afahct. | 23:13 | |
tuxd3v | Digit, st is lighter than xterm? | 23:21 |
Digit | i'd say so in some ways. seemingly less so in others. ... idk, i've poor metrics on it, just my poorly informed perceptions. one has a bigger codebase, the other is more shiny. :3 | 23:24 |
* ErRandir uses sakura but is always looking for something better | 23:28 | |
mrpfilser | xterm is fast. why am i not using it. | 23:32 |
mrpfilser | oh yeah url highlighting - can has? tuxd3v ? | 23:32 |
mrpfilser | or rather application launching of url or particular mimetypes | 23:33 |
tuxd3v | the thing that anoyes me much in xterm is the selection... it has not selection by series of chars, you can go there with the mouse over, but its a pain to select, also the clipboard does not work, or what it does is a bit diferent.. | 23:36 |
tuxd3v | apart from that, it works just fine :) | 23:37 |
tuxd3v | no,,, urls in my opinion should not start things in the shell | 23:37 |
tuxd3v | I think that is dangerous.. | 23:37 |
mrpfilser | ah interesting | 23:38 |
tuxd3v | hehehe | 23:38 |
mrpfilser | i do decide which ones to open | 23:38 |
tuxd3v | a terminal emulator is like religion :D | 23:38 |
mrpfilser | so it's equivalent to me hilighting them manually and pasting into browser | 23:38 |
mrpfilser | it is indeed | 23:38 |
mrpfilser | but the parser could have errors hacked by a bad url, i guess | 23:39 |
tuxd3v | how to you increase the size of the letters in stterm ? | 23:39 |
tuxd3v | in xterm you just shift+{'+' || '-' } | 23:40 |
tuxd3v | Digit, does you know any fastway to augment the size of the letters in stterm? | 23:41 |
Digit | in stterm... no. unless that's the same as st. in which case: shift+ctrl+pgup/pgdn. :) | 23:42 |
Digit | tuxd3v: it's in the man page too. :) | 23:44 |
tuxd3v | don't see it :( | 23:45 |
tuxd3v | yes I do, thanks :) | 23:45 |
Digit | (i think that was default... dont think i'd have set it as that). there will be controls listed somewhere else besides the shortcuts section of the man page too. | 23:45 |
Digit | i think we're easily forgiven for not reading the vast intimidating tome of the xterm man page, but st's is brief. :) | 23:47 |
djph | Digit: no you're not. :P | 23:48 |
tuxd3v | but those controls don't work.. | 23:48 |
tuxd3v | :D | 23:48 |
Digit | what if i'm dyslexic? not easily forgiven even then? do i have to pipe the whole xterm man page through flite while i sleep? n_n | 23:49 |
djph | Digit: yes. also, it needs to be printed on at least one set of bedsheets, so you can absorb as you sleep | 23:49 |
Digit | ;D | 23:49 |
tuxd3v | Alt-Shift-Page Up | 23:50 |
tuxd3v | Increase font size. | 23:50 |
tuxd3v | doesn't work here | 23:50 |
Digit | try ctrl like i & it say. not alt. | 23:55 |
Digit | or did i change that? and it automatically changes the man page, because changes are in the source...? | 23:57 |
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