| tuxd3v | it sayd Alt | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| tuxd3v | sayd | 00:12 |
| tuxd3v | I juste used the man pages | 00:12 |
| Digit | i guess that was something i changed then. tried both alts? | 00:13 |
| tuxd3v | no it doesn't work | 00:17 |
| Digit | well, next time, ask a whole room who might know (like #suckless), rather than trying to snipe an individual for help. many eyes... | 00:25 |
| tuxd3v | stterm - suckless tools simple terminal for windowed system | 00:26 |
| tuxd3v | this is the one I know | 00:26 |
| tuxd3v | well that I don't know and were trying to check its capabilities.. | 00:26 |
| tuxd3v | I wake you up? | 00:27 |
| tuxd3v | don't know if I understood it correctly? | 00:27 |
| tom_work | I am trying to test out the latest eudev from ceres with full disk encryption | 01:18 |
| tom_work | I'm having trouble verifying sources for building | 01:18 |
| tom_work | dscverify: udev_3.2.9%2Bdevuan4.dsc failed signature check: | 01:18 |
| tom_work | gpg: using RSA key 72E3CB773315DFA2E464743D94532124541922FB | 01:19 |
| tom_work | How do I install the Devuan keyring into my personal keyring, or point dget's GnuPG to the installed Devuan keywring for verification? | 01:19 |
| fsmithred | you can't 'apt install devuan-keyring'? | 01:20 |
| tom_work | fsmithred, I have devuan-keyring installed | 01:20 |
| tom_work | but it does not seem to work when verifying source code not as root | 01:21 |
| tom_work | $ dget -x http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/u/udev/udev_3.2.9%2Bdevuan4.dsc | 01:21 |
| tom_work | dscverify: udev_3.2.9%2Bdevuan4.dsc failed signature check: | 01:21 |
| gnarface | tom_work: sounds like a really old bug, one that should have been fixed already, but you can try adding the key to root's apt keyring with "apt-key" manually | 01:21 |
| tom_work | hmm | 01:22 |
| tom_work | gnarface, I'm on stable ASCII | 01:22 |
| tom_work | how would I do that? | 01:22 |
| gnarface | you upgrading from a jessie install? | 01:22 |
| gnarface | this bug really was fixed already | 01:22 |
| tom_work | no | 01:22 |
| tom_work | my laptop was installed from a fresh ASCII beta | 01:22 |
| tom_work | back when ASCII was first released | 01:22 |
| gnarface | hmmm... maybe this is a red herring then | 01:22 |
| tom_work | I purchased a new SSD at the time | 01:23 |
| tom_work | and corebooted | 01:23 |
| tom_work | then freshly installed ASCII | 01:23 |
| gnarface | well you can check it with "apt-key list" as root | 01:23 |
| tom_work | 72E3CB773315DFA2E464743D94532124541922FB shows up | 01:24 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: is that the right one? do you happen to know? ^^^ | 01:24 |
| * gnarface didn't memorize it | 01:24 | |
| tom_work | yes | 01:24 |
| tom_work | 72E3 CB77 3315 DFA2 E464 743D 9453 2124 5419 22FB | 01:25 |
| tom_work | uid [ unknown] Devuan Repository (Primary Devuan signing key) <repository@devuan.org> | 01:25 |
| tom_work | it matches the fingerprint | 01:25 |
| gnarface | well it looks like what i've got here too | 01:25 |
| gnarface | weird... | 01:25 |
| gnarface | well i suppose there is a possibility something actually has gone wrong at the repo | 01:26 |
| gnarface | but i wonder if it's not some other issue with a old library version just reading the key wrong | 01:26 |
| gnarface | the bug i thought you were experiencing was one i had before where the package fails to actually put the key into the keyring post-install | 01:27 |
| fsmithred | sorry, I was afk | 01:28 |
| gnarface | apt-key shows the right key in his keyring. i'm outta ideas. | 01:28 |
| tom_work | gnarface, do you think that dscverify is being pointed to the wrong GnuPG keyring file? | 01:29 |
| tom_work | and instead is only using the user's keyring? | 01:29 |
| tom_work | --keyring keyring | 01:30 |
| tom_work | Add keyring to the list of keyrings to be used. | 01:30 |
| tom_work | this is rather a temporary bodge fix but let me try $ alias dscverify='dscverify --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-keyring.gpg' | 01:32 |
| gnarface | tom_work: i don't know, but what i do know is that i don't have dscverify installed here | 01:32 |
| gnarface | oh, nevermind. i do, i'm wrong. | 01:32 |
| tom_work | GAH! no it doesn't work | 01:32 |
| gnarface | oh wait | 01:33 |
| gnarface | are you trying to install the ceres eudev package in a ascii install? | 01:33 |
| gnarface | maybe that's the thing it doesn't like | 01:33 |
| fsmithred | it's in the devscripts package | 01:33 |
| fsmithred | I got that far | 01:33 |
| tom_work | i'm not trying to install it i'm trying to grab the source code | 01:33 |
| tom_work | but yes | 01:34 |
| tom_work | ceres eudev in ASCII | 01:34 |
| gnarface | apt-get source eudev? | 01:34 |
| tom_work | no that would not work | 01:34 |
| gnarface | that's the command that gives you the error? | 01:34 |
| tom_work | that would grab stable's eudev | 01:34 |
| gnarface | apt-get -t ceres source eudev | 01:34 |
| fsmithred | you can specify the version | 01:34 |
| fsmithred | or that | 01:34 |
| tom_work | k hold on. apt-updating at 28.0 kB/s | 01:36 |
| tom_work | no idea why apt is like that | 01:36 |
| tom_work | international peering probably | 01:37 |
| gnarface | tom_work: i have that problem intermittently, too. it varies but tends to be worse hitting pkgmaster. i recommend using deb.devuan.org and just retrying if you hit a slow mirror | 01:39 |
| gnarface | tom_work: (i also suspect shenanigans involving the international peering, but mostly only other people in the US are complaining about this) | 01:40 |
| tom_work | If I understood apt better I would write a IPFS or bittorrent transport for apt | 01:41 |
| tom_work | not have to deal with this kind of stuff anymore | 01:41 |
| gnarface | i ... think there is a bittorrent transport already | 01:41 |
| tom_work | oh? | 01:41 |
| gnarface | i thought there was, i could be wrong. maybe it's just for the install isos | 01:41 |
| tom_work | well | 01:41 |
| tom_work | package distribution is the perfect use case for p2p | 01:42 |
| gnarface | nope, didn't hallucinate it | 01:42 |
| gnarface | https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent | 01:42 |
| gnarface | didn't dream it | 01:42 |
| tom_work | i'm honestly surprised it's not more widely deployed | 01:42 |
| gnarface | i haven't looked into it really. my assumption is that there aren't enough seeders to make it practical | 01:43 |
| golinux | Devuan has a torrent on the index page of the website | 01:43 |
| tom_work | well gnarface | 01:43 |
| gnarface | golinux: do you know if that's just for the install ISOs or if there is a way to use that on the repository as wello? | 01:44 |
| gnarface | *as well? | 01:44 |
| tom_work | there aren't enough peers to make http practical | 01:44 |
| tom_work | *mirrors | 01:44 |
| tom_work | I for one keep a bittorrent client running 24/7 | 01:44 |
| tom_work | and have multiple devuan installs and am in the US | 01:44 |
| golinux | isos only. Sorry didn;t read very well | 01:44 |
| tom_work | ah, apt finnally finished | 01:44 |
| tom_work | h yeah | 01:44 |
| tom_work | gnarface, this is the reason I was trying to use dget | 01:45 |
| tom_work | E: The value 'ceres' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources | 01:45 |
| gnarface | hmm | 01:45 |
| tom_work | Devuan always breaks when trying to get stuff from other versions | 01:45 |
| golinux | tom_work: Are you using a CC in your sources? | 01:45 |
| gnarface | tom_work: you'd still have to add this line to your sources.list: deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main | 01:45 |
| tom_work | this is what i have | 01:45 |
| tom_work | http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ | 01:46 |
| tom_work | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ ceres main | 01:46 |
| golinux | Good. CCs are not working properly | 01:46 |
| tom_work | yeah | 01:46 |
| tom_work | golinux, this is the same problem i've had before | 01:46 |
| gnarface | golinux: he's trying to get the ceres source package for eudev downloaded to his ascii install and ran into keyring issues, but the issue wasn't the apparent one | 01:46 |
| tom_work | last time I ended up just having to go through the mirror with a web browser and grab all my dependicies manually | 01:46 |
| gnarface | golinux: (i still don't know wtf is wrong) | 01:47 |
| tom_work | sometimes it works if I removed all the other ascii sources and only have the dev-src ceres, but that's a pain in the ass to do and risky | 01:47 |
| tom_work | on this laptop I don't have any third part repos | 01:47 |
| tom_work | on my computer back at home too | 01:47 |
| tom_work | same problem | 01:47 |
| gnarface | i wonder if you accidentally got some debian packages in there but it seems like you've been careful | 01:48 |
| gnarface | it's a puzzle | 01:48 |
| tom_work | gnarface, was there anything wrong with: | 01:48 |
| tom_work | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.0.0-beta _Ascii_ - Official amd64 NETINST 20180213-11:35]/ ascii main non-free | 01:48 |
| tom_work | this was the name of the CD I originally installed from | 01:48 |
| gnarface | tom_work: uh... nothing wrong with that as long as it's commented out... | 01:48 |
| golinux | And fully upgraded | 01:49 |
| gnarface | tom_work: that would definitely cause problems if it's not though | 01:49 |
| tom_work | yeah all packages up to date right now | 01:49 |
| gnarface | tom_work: yea, if you don't configure networking before the first boot then it dumps the instal cdrom path into apt sources. the assumption is you must be doing a dvd-only install at that point. | 01:49 |
| tom_work | I setup unattended upgrades long ago because the mirror peering is such a pain in the ass | 01:50 |
| gnarface | tom_work: (it is safe to remove that - you don't want it there once networking is set up) | 01:50 |
| tom_work | don't worry the cdrom:: source has been commented out for years | 01:50 |
| tom_work | I would like to get to the bottom of this, because I do end up building packages from source often | 01:52 |
| tom_work | and these same isues keep needing to be worked around | 01:53 |
| gnarface | seems like something is whack | 01:53 |
| gnarface | lemme run a test here on an ascii machine | 01:53 |
| tom_work | well | 01:53 |
| gnarface | stand by | 01:53 |
| tom_work | gnarface, you can reproduce it as well right? | 01:54 |
| gnarface | tom_work: unknown yet. i said stand by | 01:54 |
| tom_work | btw. the debtorrent wiki. It's out of date. there are a lot of improvements to the bittorrent protocol than what the page describes. for one, libraterbar-torrent can also handle http sources in addition to peers, and it can handle thousands of torrents well even in low memory situations. | 01:56 |
| gnarface | tom_work: had you used any backports on this install? | 01:57 |
| tom_work | and the locality problem can be solved by choosing peers based on latency, which librasterbar-torrent already does with uTP to some degree | 01:57 |
| tom_work | gnarface, on this machine.hmm. probably not | 01:58 |
| tom_work | is there a way to check? | 01:58 |
| gnarface | tom_work: any packages with "bpo" in the version string | 01:58 |
| gnarface | tom_work: ok, i have a breakthrough | 01:59 |
| tom_work | yes | 01:59 |
| gnarface | this syntax does not work: "apt-get -t ceres source eudev" | 01:59 |
| gnarface | this syntax does: apt-get source eudev/ceres | 02:00 |
| tom_work | libsignal-protocol-c | 02:00 |
| gnarface | i do not know why | 02:00 |
| tom_work | and libpolkit | 02:00 |
| gnarface | this is the first time i'm seeing this bug | 02:00 |
| gnarface | but mostly i'm building ON ceres these days | 02:00 |
| tom_work | gnarface, huh | 02:00 |
| tom_work | your right | 02:00 |
| gnarface | for the first one, i get the same error as you do about "The value 'ceres' is invalid for APT::Default-Release..." | 02:01 |
| gnarface | for the second one, it just works like nothing was ever wrong | 02:01 |
| gnarface | that's weird | 02:01 |
| gnarface | good catch | 02:01 |
| tom_work | so the syntax changed in newer apt? | 02:01 |
| gnarface | no, i'm assuming this is a bug | 02:01 |
| tom_work | well dget not verifying certainly is | 02:01 |
| tom_work | gnarface, thanks for your help | 02:05 |
| gnarface | tom_work: no problem. good luck! | 02:05 |
| tom_work | I can now test the newwer eudev to see if it fixes the full disk encryption failing to shut down bug | 02:05 |
| tom_work | and report back to the tracker | 02:06 |
| tom_work | I need to brb | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | tom_work, did you try the patch for cryptsetup that people are using? | 02:09 |
| tom_work | no | 02:10 |
| tom_work | was not aware | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | hang on | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | you're using cryptsetup from ascii? | 02:10 |
| tom_work | y | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16284#p16284 | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | I'll get you another link that just has the file you need to replace | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/fsmithred/cryptsetup-modified-functions/blob/mxlinux-master/cryptdisks.functions | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | or you could get the package from mxlinux and install it. It uses dpkg-divert to replace the file safely. | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | cryptsetup-modified-functions | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | it's not in ascii, but it will be in beowulf | 02:13 |
| tom_work | i'll test that out too and report | 02:14 |
| tom_work | but one mor thing before I have to brb | 02:14 |
| tom_work | I can't build the package because dh_missing is missing? | 02:14 |
| tom_work | is that a package I need to install that isn't convert by sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | I have no idea | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | dh_missing is probably a command in some dev package | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | it's in debhelper | 02:15 |
| tom_work | hopefully not ceres only | 02:15 |
| gnarface | tom_work: make sure you did "apt-get build-dep eudev" once first, and also "apt-get build-essential" (though i know that sometimes you still will need to find a few things by trial-and-error then add them manually) | 02:17 |
| g4570n | tb | 02:21 |
| g4570n | Oops :P | 02:21 |
| tom_work | test | 02:28 |
| gnarface | test acknowledged, tom_work | 02:29 |
| tom_work | ok good, wireguard ipv6-roaming works | 02:29 |
| gnarface | tom_work: did you get my message about build-dep and build-essential? | 02:29 |
| tom_work | no | 02:30 |
| gnarface | tom_work: make sure you did "apt-get build-dep eudev" once first, and also "apt-get build-essential" (though i know that sometimes you still will need to find a few things by trial-and-error then add them manually) | 02:30 |
| tom_work | is that different from sudo mk-build-deps --install --remove | 02:31 |
| gnarface | tom_work: i suggested it because i don't know | 02:31 |
| tom_work | oh well. probably as apt-get build-dep results in 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 02:31 |
| gnarface | what about build-essential? | 02:32 |
| tom_work | i already have that | 02:32 |
| gnarface | eh, it was a thought | 02:32 |
| tom_work | I'm just going to try removing all calls to dh_missing in debian/rules | 02:33 |
| tom_work | I'm thinking it's a dpkg feature not available in ascii | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | try installing debhelper | 02:33 |
| tom_work | but gnarface, how come you don't use ascii anymore? | 02:33 |
| tom_work | fsmithred, debhelper already installed | 02:34 |
| tom_work | ah yes, removing those rules made it not error out anymore | 02:34 |
| fsmithred | and you have /usr/bin/dh_missing? | 02:34 |
| tom_work | no | 02:35 |
| tom_work | dh_missing is missing | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | it's supposed to be there | 02:35 |
| tom_work | /usr/bin/dh_missing: cannot open `/usr/bin/dh_missing' (No such file or directory) | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | maybe reinstall debhelper | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | $ apt-file find dh_missing | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | debhelper: /usr/bin/dh_missing | 02:36 |
| tom_work | can't I just do a debsums check? | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | how will that get the missing file back? | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | and why is it missing? | 02:37 |
| fsmithred | that seems weird | 02:37 |
| gnarface | tom_work: i do use ascii a lot still, but i'm also using ceres because of the collective atrocities and mistakes of the organizations/entities controlling: Wine, Steam, Blizzard, and Nvidia | 02:37 |
| tom_work | your games don't work in ascii? | 02:38 |
| gnarface | not all of them, unfortunately, no. :( | 02:38 |
| specing | you have a bad choice in games | 02:38 |
| specing | if you played only FOSS games you wouldn't have these problems | 02:39 |
| gnarface | specing: yes, i can admit that to myself. i also have objectively bad taste in clothing, movies, and music. my parents dropped me on my head a lot. | 02:39 |
| gnarface | so, ascii for all the servers and laptops and workstations... ceres for the gaming computer | 02:39 |
| tom_work | fsmithred, reinstalling debhelper did not provide dh_missing | 02:40 |
| tom_work | gnarface, I feel your pain. I got so pissed off from linux steam ported games crashing so much and terrible support I took a whole break from gaming for a while | 02:41 |
| specing | as if there are no foss games to play | 02:41 |
| tom_work | gnarface, now I make sure to really evaluate a game within the first 2 hours of play, so if it ends up breaking on linux I don't bother trying to shimmy it into working i just get a full refund | 02:42 |
| specing | This attitude right there is the reason why FOSS games are dying | 02:42 |
| tom_work | but minecraft is fun | 02:42 |
| fsmithred | I have that file in my ascii (and beowulf, too) | 02:42 |
| specing | tom_work: minetest | 02:42 |
| tom_work | and I run a modpack + 24/7 server | 02:42 |
| tom_work | specing, minetest does not compete with minecraft | 02:42 |
| tom_work | maybe like, minecraft vanilla | 02:43 |
| tom_work | but I occasionally build the latest minetest from source and play on a few servers | 02:43 |
| gnarface | specing: ioquake3 server here, loaded with custom maps. don't fucking blame me for FOSS games dying. 108.227.52.46:27980 | 02:43 |
| tom_work | it's still FAR off from replacing mc, if ever | 02:43 |
| specing | I will blame you, gnarface | 02:43 |
| gnarface | specing: download my maps!!! | 02:43 |
| tom_work | the world feels static | 02:43 |
| specing | stop playing proprietary maps | 02:44 |
| specing | stop playing proprietary games * lol | 02:44 |
| tom_work | the whole thing is sluggish in a 4 core i5 and a GTX 1070 | 02:44 |
| specing | and stop using proprietary software, in general | 02:44 |
| tom_work | Isn't minecraft more or less open source? | 02:44 |
| tom_work | or rather, the source code is out there but licensing is still screw you | 02:44 |
| tom_work | anyways | 02:45 |
| tom_work | I built eudev/ceres from source successfully by removing dh_missing from the rules | 02:45 |
| tom_work | I'm going to install and reboot to test them now | 02:45 |
| gnarface | hmm, dh_missing might be from ceres | 02:45 |
| gnarface | i have it here | 02:45 |
| gnarface | it might not be super important | 02:46 |
| gnarface | (sorry about the slow map mirror on that server. i've been trying to get something done about it) | 02:46 |
| * tom_work is tom-mediapc | 02:47 | |
| tom_work | no worries | 02:48 |
| tom_work | I understand the lack of manpower and resources | 02:48 |
| tom_work | i wish I could contribute more | 02:48 |
| tom_work | right now I can test eudev so i'm doing that | 02:48 |
| tom_work | keep up the good fight | 02:48 |
| tom-mediapc | one thing I am concerned about | 02:54 |
| tom-mediapc | is I may not be able to use Devuan in the future | 02:54 |
| tom-mediapc | I may end up requiring a source distribution like gentoo because Debian opts to build things against gtk3 instead of gtk2 when available | 02:54 |
| tom-mediapc | so if your not running GNOME most of your graphical tools look pretty broken and out of place | 02:55 |
| tom-mediapc | Thunar being a big thing in the next Devuan release | 02:55 |
| tom-mediapc | I've been testing the next stable in QEMU | 02:55 |
| Digit | you can still use devuan with gentoo, via bedrocklinux. no need to give up a distro to use another these days. bedrocklinux is a game changer. no longer silo'd to just one distro choice. mix n match, get the repos of all/any distro you want. ~ pretty much. | 02:55 |
| tom-mediapc | I can build thunar itself against gtk2 instead, but if a majority of packages I use are like that it may be more effort effective just to use gentoo with it's USE flags and an overlay | 02:56 |
| Digit | and even keep the old stable devuan while trying the new. brl clone. ;) | 02:56 |
| tom-mediapc | but i'm not entirely sure that's a good option either | 02:58 |
| Digit | a typical use might be: use devuan for the majority (nicely easy & fast). gentoo for something you want finer grain control over. | 02:58 |
| tom-mediapc | because while Portage is great, and so is the ebuild system | 02:58 |
| tom-mediapc | and it's easy to say "--fuck-upstream" in Gentoo I'm having second thoughts about the Gentoo community | 02:58 |
| tom-mediapc | I feel like I'm getting a hostile attitude when I sumbit patches to fix gtk2 programs | 02:59 |
| tom-mediapc | from devs | 02:59 |
| tom-mediapc | in the way they respond to the bugtracker | 02:59 |
| Digit | tried funtoo? drobbins has been putting out some nice innovations and videos specifically addressing that, helping newbies become contributors. seems much friendlier. gentoo does have an issue with that. | 03:00 |
| tom-mediapc | also Gentoo has been doing a lot of removing of perfectly working ebuilds from their tree for no reason other than it not having a new release in N years | 03:00 |
| tom-mediapc | not that there's a compile error or a QA notice | 03:00 |
| tom-mediapc | simply because <thing> is old | 03:00 |
| tom-mediapc | it feels like some of the people in charge do not realize that software can be considered 'finished' where it reaches feature parity and only need rare patches to get it to compile on major libc changes | 03:01 |
| tom-mediapc | or OS ports | 03:01 |
| tom-mediapc | and then even though <software> has not had a new release in N years, it still does and solves the same needs it did N years ago | 03:02 |
| tom-mediapc | Digit, no I have not tried or heard much about Funtoo. I have heard that when Google was building ChromeOS they sucked a lot of talent from the Gentoo developer pool and it's been suffering because of that | 03:03 |
| Digit | still tho... no need to stress over which one, this or that. can s/or/and/ with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuYMBCcgs98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxcBDpMreA (& it's advanced since those old forms... new video likely sometime this year). | 03:03 |
| Digit | there's exherbo if you want to go the other way. sorta like a mutant cousin of gentoo. ;) | 03:04 |
| Digit | and no need to give up devuan while you do. (once you realise what i mean by bedrocklinux) | 03:05 |
| tom-mediapc | oh, digit | 03:17 |
| tom-mediapc | it's not that software is available on one distro and not the other | 03:17 |
| Digit | indeed. | 03:17 |
| tom-mediapc | the thing is that Devuan is extremely stable and very polished | 03:18 |
| tom-mediapc | but gentoo Portage is extremely valuable. It's super easy to so "I don't want gtk3 or I don't want nls" | 03:18 |
| tom-mediapc | all you have to do is adjust make.conf's USE flags and rebuild | 03:19 |
| tom-mediapc | it's also very easy to patch software on the fly because all you have to do is place files in /etc/portage/patches | 03:19 |
| tom-mediapc | which makes going downstream much easier | 03:19 |
| Digit | yup. long time gentoo fanboy here. n_n it's very convenient. | 03:19 |
| tom-mediapc | and that's what really matters. downstream development, not chasing the newest updates | 03:20 |
| fsmithred | debianfork would be a better place for this | 03:20 |
| tom-mediapc | idk | 03:20 |
| tom-mediapc | Maybe Devuan is what I need I just need to study dpkg and apt more | 03:21 |
| tom-mediapc | but Gentoo certainly does seem to have a better more flexible core system management structure that allows for more freedom in your software choices | 03:21 |
| tom-mediapc | same thing is doable in Devuan but not without the manual mess of building and modding packages yourself by hand. not use flags | 03:22 |
| Digit | why are you still quibbling? did you not get what i tried to say many times? XD i got no indication. | 03:22 |
| tom-mediapc | Digit, you recommended bedrock right? if i understand you right, that's just a kind of container or chroot system right? | 03:23 |
| Digit | ~ not rly like containers nope. | 03:23 |
| Digit | different. n chroot was used just an early implementation. not really characteristic. | 03:24 |
| tom-mediapc | that does not seem like a good solution. my goal isn't to have every single program containerized | 03:24 |
| tom-mediapc | plus, his example with VLC. It's already solved with Portage Slots | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | please take OT conversation to #debianfork | 03:24 |
| Digit | you get to use em like one system. it's not containerized. | 03:25 |
| tom-mediapc | https://devmanual.gentoo.org/general-concepts/slotting/ | 03:25 |
| tom-mediapc | k | 03:25 |
| tom-mediapc | Digit, join fork | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 03:25 |
| Digit | sry fsmithred i'll try stop being trolled by not being listened to, triggering me to answer again n again what i thought was just gonna be one line. | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | lol, ok | 03:25 |
| tom-mediapc | what? | 03:26 |
| tom-mediapc | maybe I should have mentioned in bug 261 that i had to remove dh_missing | 03:27 |
| tom-mediapc | from debian/rules | 03:27 |
| tom-mediapc | I'm going to read up on and try your patch fsmithred | 03:34 |
| tom-mediapc | any reason it was not accepted into mainline yet? | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | it's not needed with systemd | 03:35 |
| fsmithred | wontfix | 03:35 |
| tom-mediapc | cunts | 03:35 |
| tom-mediapc | but isn't eudev provided by the Devuan overlay? | 03:36 |
| fsmithred | that patch addresses a cryptsetup issue | 03:37 |
| fsmithred | why are you looking at eudev? | 03:38 |
| fsmithred | I'm looking at the bug report now | 03:41 |
| tom-mediapc | because I got an email asking me to try installing eudev from ceres to test if the issue was fixed | 03:42 |
| tom-mediapc | should be documented in the devuan bug tracker | 03:42 |
| tom-mediapc | bugs.devuan.org #261 | 03:42 |
| tom-mediapc | although, the tracker seems to be delayed | 03:42 |
| tom-mediapc | I've since submitted 2 new messages and it's now showing up there | 03:43 |
| tom-mediapc | oh nvm | 03:43 |
| tom-mediapc | it's just delayed an hour or two | 03:43 |
| fsmithred | tom-mediapc, is /boot part of the encrypted volume, and is it lvm or just plain luks? | 03:45 |
| tom-mediapc | uhm | 03:45 |
| fsmithred | how did you install it? | 03:46 |
| tom-mediapc | I used the ascii installer cd beta | 03:46 |
| fsmithred | did you choose encrypted lvm? | 03:47 |
| tom_work | fsmithred, https://paste.debian.net/1128429/ | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | ok | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | try the cryptsetup patch | 03:48 |
| tom-mediapc | btw, I don't need a grub or efi partition. grub is installed in the motherboard's ROM. It just needs a disk to read grub.cfg and a kernel from | 03:49 |
| fsmithred | in ascii the file is /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions and in beowulf it's cryptdisks-functions (and very different) | 03:49 |
| tom_work | fsmithred, this patch? | 03:50 |
| tom_work | also, I'm not familiar with dpkg-divert | 03:50 |
| fsmithred | you don't need to be | 03:51 |
| fsmithred | take this file: https://git.devuan.org/fsmithred/cryptsetup-modified-functions/blob/mxlinux-master/cryptdisks.functions | 03:51 |
| fsmithred | make a backup copy of the original and replace it with this one | 03:51 |
| fsmithred | reboot | 03:51 |
| fsmithred | smile | 03:51 |
| tom_work | won't this make debsums scream? | 03:52 |
| fsmithred | debsums will tell you about it if you ask | 03:52 |
| fsmithred | and you'll see it and say, "oh, yeah." | 03:52 |
| tom_work | is that what dpkg-divert is for? | 03:52 |
| fsmithred | that's to keep the file from being clobbered on upgrade | 03:53 |
| tom_work | So i just replace the script by hand and then what? | 03:54 |
| tom_work | oh no | 03:55 |
| tom_work | that's what divert is for isn't it | 03:55 |
| fsmithred | and then you reboot | 03:56 |
| fsmithred | faster than before | 03:56 |
| fsmithred | if you don't like it, put the original back | 03:56 |
| tom_work | can you give me an example of the divert command | 03:57 |
| fsmithred | nope | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | it's not a command that you run, it's a way of creating a special package | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | here are the mxlinux packages: use 18.11 for ascii. http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/pool/main/c/cryptsetup-modified-functions/ | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | here's the other relevant bug report: https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=237 | 04:07 |
| mason | fsmithred: That file you linked has the singleton loop in it. Is that the one you want to give out? | 04:12 |
| mason | tom_work: Here's how you run dpkg-divert for this: https://bpaste.net/POQA | 04:14 |
| tom_work | thanks | 04:17 |
| fsmithred | cool, thanks | 04:18 |
| mason | tom_work: It's worth reading the dpkg-divert man page. | 04:18 |
| fsmithred | mason, I wasn't going to bother with the ascii version | 04:18 |
| mason | There won't be any measurable difference between the two. I'm just a style(9) fanatic. | 04:21 |
| fsmithred | the beowulf version will not have the loop | 04:22 |
| mason | Something to discuss for Chimaera is whether we want to add a crypttab flag for things that should be skipped. | 04:24 |
| mason | Something like the 'initramfs' flag, but for the other end of the lifecycle. | 04:24 |
| mason | Even overloading the 'initramfs' flag for this function might be appropriate, but a new flag might cover circumstances I can't foresee at the moment. | 04:25 |
| mason | The notion would be that we could put back the recursive fall-off but have a flag per LUKS block device that just skips that device entirely if so-configured. | 04:26 |
| mason | Or... Geometric fall-off. The loop. Nothing recursive about it. Sorry. | 04:27 |
| mason | I've got some other things I'd like to get into Chimaera as well, but I need to finish a couple learning projects as a prerequisite. | 04:35 |
| sethmhur | Hello | 13:14 |
| sethmhur | I'm using the live cd fore accessibility. I can boot to the tty but can't confirm if sound or espeakup is working? How will I load this? I'm using the amd64 live cd on a laptop? | 13:16 |
| nemo | Hum: Cylance as noted | 15:49 |
| nemo | Hum: the frustrating thing is they clearly are capable of handling different kernels since they deploy a hardcoded set of .ko files for ubuntu. They just can't be bothered to update their sources. | 15:50 |
| krauser | Any idea on when beowulf will be released as the stable version? | 17:33 |
| nemo | krauser: fsmithred: said "soon" yesterday and also that it was safe for use, if he wouldn't recommend on servers | 17:40 |
| nemo | krauser: I upgraded my work laptop yesterday, and so far my only problem is with an awful crappy 3rd party .deb I am required to support to maintain the company rootkit | 17:40 |
| krauser | kk | 17:42 |
| mason | nemo: FWIW, I'm running Beowulf on servers. All this means is that it works unproblematically for my use cases. | 17:50 |
| golinux | nemo: It's the beowulf desktop and GUI stuff that still might have issues | 18:01 |
| James1138 | Question. Although my programming skills are non-existant compared to others on this chat... is there anything guys like me (I do not mean old farts like me) can do to help get the Beowulf ISO out? | 18:06 |
| mason | FWIW, we've got Beowulf on three desktop systems here. The only obnoxious glitch so far is that occasionally one of the systems has to switch virtual consoles off of X and back on to wake up. | 18:06 |
| mason | James1138: This stuff would be useful: https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging | 18:07 |
| James1138 | Thanks Mason, What stuff would need packaging? Do not want to needlessly duplicate someone's else work. | 18:09 |
| mason | James1138: You could look through here: http://bugs.devuan.org/ | 18:10 |
| James1138 | ok | 18:10 |
| James1138 | Mason... how does a person view a list on the bug tracking page? Is there some wildcard like *.*?? | 18:13 |
| mason | https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/pkgindex.cgi?indexon=pkg is an example | 18:14 |
| James1138 | thanx again mason | 18:14 |
| mason | Happy to help. | 18:14 |
| James1138 | will look at that in detail tonight. | 18:15 |
| debdog | l | 18:21 |
| debdog | oops | 18:21 |
| xrogaan | golinux: actually, beowulf solved some issues on my Desktop. | 19:16 |
| xrogaan | xfce+slim+consolekit works pretty well now. Except for the xdg runtime variable not being populated. | 19:16 |
| mason | xrogaan: My big push for upgrading to it is that the ASCII vlc didn't work for some of my media. | 19:16 |
| xrogaan | Gotta go sleep. Cya; | 19:17 |
| interorw | \o good afternoon | 20:46 |
| interorw | so I read about devuan and excited to try it, have it installed and running on my laptop but trying to add blueman GNU from Synaptic Package Manager and it keeps asking for a cdrom... is there some way I can just force it to download from a repo like normal? not having much luck trying to mount my flash drive as a mountable cdrom it can detect | 20:49 |
| interorw | it seems how it would ask to install from cdrom vs the internet/network too | 20:49 |
| interorw | it seems odd* | 20:50 |
| mason | interorw: You probably still have the cdrom source in /etc/apt/sources.list and need to remove it. | 20:56 |
| mason | interorw: see https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 20:56 |
| interorw | that was it thx mason | 20:57 |
| mason | happy to help | 20:57 |
| interorw | mason maybe is 1 last thing could help me with, initally I was able to search and find blueman thru synaptic package manager now its not showing up at all as an option to download/install or otherwise - i tried removing bluetooth in general to see if i could remove it and add back just 'bluetooth' but after removing ti from Synapic Package Manager its now not showing up in the search results to add it back | 21:00 |
| interorw | so I can't find blueman or bluetooth now in Synaptic Package Manger but other things show up, any ideas ? | 21:00 |
| mason | interorw: See about refreshing after you've changed your sources.list. I have an ASCII box that shows a bunch of those packages as being available: https://bpaste.net/XQBQ | 21:02 |
| mason | I don't use Synaptic, but I wouldn't expect it to show you a modified list. | 21:02 |
| interorw | hm maybe my source list is missing any type of public mirrors to use | 21:04 |
| interorw | i just went with default install so figured it would at least have that by default | 21:04 |
| interorw | yup i think thats it don't rly see any listed except an commented ascii security repo | 21:05 |
| interorw | weird... not very useful like that lol | 21:05 |
| mason | interorw: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list will help | 21:06 |
| interorw | thx | 21:07 |
| interorw | any idea why these aren't added by default? seems silly to have everyone manually add them lol | 21:07 |
| interorw | every other linux distro i know of / used always has default public repo mirrors | 21:07 |
| mason | interorw: Not sure! | 21:12 |
| interorw | mm yeah maybe it was just my install that went odd, am hoping everyone elses isn't like that by default at least | 21:13 |
| interorw | either way other than a few oddities like that its an awesome distro looks like | 21:13 |
| interorw | mason, just curious but on this distro what do you use in place of Synaptic or you just manually install packages as needed? | 21:20 |
| mason | interorw: For Devuan I mostly use apt. I mostly install with debootstrap. fsmithred has turned me onto debugging some issues with aptitude. | 21:25 |
| golinux | interorw: Not all of those source options are needed. Make sure that your sources.list points to deb.devuan.org | 21:28 |
| golinux | Synaptic is available in a default desktop install. | 21:29 |
| Hum | is there any simple table with Debian - Devuan Release names? | 21:32 |
| golinux | Hum: https://devuan.org/os/releases | 21:36 |
| Hum | golinux: thx, I didn't find it | 21:37 |
| filipdevuan_ | hey devuan was first systemd-free distro i used for 6 months it was good, then migrated to others currently i am using void linux and hyperbola but i consider going back to Devuan though, i am not sure if it's really worth it.. | 21:48 |
| filipdevuan_ | Is downloading the 4GB DVD iso the only option for usb stick installation?? | 21:48 |
| gnu_srs | filipdevuan_: You can always install Devuan netinst ascii version and upgrade to beowulf. | 21:59 |
| Hum | filipdevuan_: Maybe it is not up to date, https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/user:hum_upgrading_from_ascii_to_beowulf | 22:01 |
| filipdevuan_ | so it is mandatory to use beowulf now?? | 22:03 |
| filipdevuan_ | ;P | 22:03 |
| Hum | filipdevuan_: It is possible. | 22:06 |
| golinux | filipdevuan_: There are no beowulf isos yet | 22:15 |
| golinux | You will find the latest documentation at devuan.org The wiki may be out-of-date | 22:15 |
| golinux | There are several links about 1/2 way down this page https://devuan.org/get-devuan and also on the index page. | 22:17 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok tnx | 22:20 |
| filipdevuan_ | :) | 22:20 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah it will be exciting to be using devuan again... | 22:21 |
| golinux | filipdevuan_: Welcome back to the campfire . . . | 22:22 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah :PPP | 22:23 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok so netinst will probably use less than 4,4GB??? | 22:36 |
| filipdevuan_ | it's probably more reasonable to download netinst if i have got internet connection | 22:38 |
| golinux | netinstall only has the base system on the iso. It pulls everything else from the net. | 22:39 |
| golinux | It's maybe 350 MB | 22:40 |
| filipdevuan_ | but everything it pulls from the net is the same amount of dvd iso??? | 22:41 |
| filipdevuan_ | or there is a list what to choose to get? | 22:41 |
| golinux | Depends what you choose to install | 22:41 |
| filipdevuan_ | oh, ok great :) | 22:41 |
| filipdevuan_ | thanks | 22:41 |
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