| filipdevuan_ | so there is beowulf available now?? | 01:23 |
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| g4570n | filipdevuan_: https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg27041.html | 01:25 |
| g4570n | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 01:26 |
| filipdevuan_ | So there is beowulf available now?? | 01:47 |
| gnarface | beta disks in the repo | 01:48 |
| gnarface | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/ | 01:48 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok nice | 01:49 |
| filipdevuan_ | is it quite stable?? | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | it's been stable for months | 01:49 |
| filipdevuan_ | oh that's great | 01:49 |
| filipdevuan_ | :) | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | installer isos were tricky to get right | 01:50 |
| fsmithred | if you're upgrading, read the upgrade guide | 01:50 |
| filipdevuan_ | no no | 01:50 |
| filipdevuan_ | i will just get 3,5GB installer | 01:50 |
| filipdevuan_ | 3,7GB actually | 01:51 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok cheers | 01:51 |
| fsmithred | that'll work | 01:51 |
| filipdevuan_ | downloading now :) | 01:52 |
| yooey | I just tried devuan 3 beta on my desktop. So far everything works except 2 things: 1) If I try to do a non UEFI booted install, it will stall for a long time and eventually stall at "Attempting to initialize framebuffer." 2) Pulseaudio needs to be started manually for some reason | 03:06 |
| redrick | yooey: Have you tried commenting out 'autospawn=no' in /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf, as suggested in the beta release notes at https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt ? Worth a shot. | 03:14 |
| yooey | Ah, was it? Fair enough. I'm just throwing out any problems I have in case a dev reads it. | 03:15 |
| yooey | But yeah its pretty rock solid I will say | 03:15 |
| redrick | I think the devs would be particularly interested in details in the event that suggested fix does _not_ work. ;-> | 03:15 |
| yooey | Good point my dude | 03:16 |
| redrick | (I'm just an itinerant syadmin, currently being powered by Moose Drool Ale.) | 03:16 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok installed new beowulf and new red colour is sweet :P | 03:50 |
| redrick | Charging at the screen and goring it with your horns is not obligatory. | 03:53 |
| ukine | rol | 03:57 |
| hemimaniac | the only thing wrong with my beta netinstall is it forgot a timeserver of some sort | 04:16 |
| yooey | hemimaniac shoot I just noticed, my time is wrong too | 04:18 |
| hemimaniac | well i don't know if it right or not (as I am no expert) but just a sec i'll dpaste my steps | 04:19 |
| filipdevuan_ | hey hmm i kind of need winetricks for wine but i am on beowulf | 04:20 |
| filipdevuan_ | is it possible to use ascii repositories?? | 04:20 |
| hemimaniac | yooey: http://dpaste.com/1DJJRW4 | 04:23 |
| mason | fsmithred: You can just download a winetricks. It's a shell script, so there's almost nothing to package. | 04:30 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok q4wine has done the trick nvm | 04:32 |
| gnarface | yea winetricks is here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Winetricks/winetricks/master/src/winetricks | 04:51 |
| gnarface | it is a single plain text file | 04:51 |
| gnarface | a basic shell script | 04:52 |
| gnarface | oh he's gone already | 04:52 |
| mason | gnarface: Did he go before I mistabbed? | 05:14 |
| gnarface | mason: on my log, no | 06:14 |
| gnarface | it was immediately after that | 06:14 |
| TwistedFate | any news on when will next devuan release be out? | 12:14 |
| bpmedley | TwistedFate : https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg27041.html <-- Did you see the beta? | 12:26 |
| TwistedFate | oh i wasn't aware of that | 12:27 |
| TwistedFate | thanks | 12:27 |
| TwistedFate | hmm, my netinst (both ascii and beowulf) both get stuck at "Configuring apt - Scanning the mirror" step in expert install | 12:50 |
| TwistedFate | at 33% | 12:50 |
| GyrosGeier | that takes a while | 12:51 |
| GyrosGeier | and needs network access | 12:51 |
| TwistedFate | it just failed | 12:51 |
| GyrosGeier | and a working mirror | 12:51 |
| TwistedFate | looks like vbox doesn't have a working bridge adapter | 13:04 |
| TwistedFate | gonna go with default (nat) this time | 13:04 |
| cosurgi | fsmithred: do you think that I could get a sound working without all these packages? | 13:22 |
| fsmithred | cosurgi, which packages? | 13:22 |
| cosurgi | I pinned down: elogind consolekit libpam-elogind dbus libpam-dbus xdg-dbus-proxy gir1.2-polkit-1.0 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 policykit-1 gvfs | 13:22 |
| cosurgi | upon your suggestions. :) | 13:22 |
| fsmithred | yes, you can get sound working without all that crap | 13:23 |
| cosurgi | It's two months already and it all works great. | 13:23 |
| fsmithred | I made a nodbus build and sound works | 13:23 |
| fsmithred | you need alsa-utils | 13:23 |
| cosurgi | currently mplayer gives me:Failed to initialize audio driver 'sdl:aalib' | 13:24 |
| cosurgi | ok | 13:24 |
| cosurgi | hm, it's already installed. | 13:24 |
| cosurgi | hm,hm. | 13:24 |
| cosurgi | in fact I don't even know if nouveau driver can produce sound. | 13:24 |
| cosurgi | I will ask at #nouveau | 13:24 |
| cosurgi | lsmod gives this: | 13:25 |
| cosurgi | snd_hda_codec 155648 2 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel | 13:25 |
| fsmithred | I used mpv in that build | 13:25 |
| cosurgi | what is mpv ? | 13:25 |
| fsmithred | mplayer fork | 13:25 |
| cosurgi | is it packaged? | 13:25 |
| fsmithred | which card is first? | 13:25 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it's in the repo | 13:25 |
| fsmithred | aplay -l | 13:26 |
| fsmithred | which one is card0 | 13:26 |
| cosurgi | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Rhg3F5hgPg/ | 13:27 |
| cosurgi | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** | 13:27 |
| cosurgi | card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] | 13:27 |
| cosurgi | Subdevices: 1/1 | 13:27 |
| cosurgi | Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 13:27 |
| fsmithred | don't past multiple lines | 13:27 |
| cosurgi | sorry | 13:27 |
| fsmithred | you might get kicked | 13:27 |
| fsmithred | automatic sentry can't tell friend from foe | 13:27 |
| cosurgi | is seems that nouveau is trying to provide some audio | 13:27 |
| fsmithred | robocop | 13:27 |
| cosurgi | ok. I'll be careful | 13:28 |
| fsmithred | wtf, you only have hdmi? | 13:28 |
| cosurgi | In fact my screens are connected only via displayport. | 13:29 |
| cosurgi | can displayport transfer sound? | 13:29 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 13:29 |
| fsmithred | I was going to tell you to switch the order of the cards, but there's nothing to switch with | 13:29 |
| cosurgi | I tried mpv and got this: [ao/oss] Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory | 13:29 |
| fsmithred | I've never played with hdmi | 13:30 |
| fsmithred | or display port | 13:30 |
| cosurgi | when I launch alsamixer I see some info like: Chip: Nvidia GPU 84 HDMI/DP | 13:30 |
| fsmithred | there's probably a way to do it | 13:30 |
| cosurgi | the "DP" would suggest that displayport can do that. Also I turned up volume on my LCD screens to max and I hear a white noise. | 13:31 |
| fsmithred | try debian wiki | 13:31 |
| cosurgi | but alsamixer shows only one card. I press F6 and I get: 0 HDA NVidia | 13:31 |
| cosurgi | ok | 13:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah, aplay only shows the one card | 13:32 |
| fsmithred | isn't there a card on the motherboard? | 13:32 |
| cosurgi | no | 13:32 |
| fsmithred | lspci should show it | 13:32 |
| fsmithred | oh | 13:32 |
| cosurgi | it's a server mobo. | 13:32 |
| fsmithred | so you'll have to get the hdmi working. | 13:33 |
| fsmithred | sorry I can't help | 13:33 |
| cosurgi | DP, actually :) | 13:33 |
| cosurgi | ok. thanks a lot ;) | 13:33 |
| fsmithred | good luck | 13:33 |
| cosurgi | I will let you know if I figure this out. | 13:33 |
| cosurgi | fsmithred: you might want to peek at #nouveau imirking, the nouveau driver author tries to help me :) | 13:38 |
| filipdevuan_ | hey i have downloaded wine64 and 32 on beowulf but i can't run installation of any application | 13:45 |
| cosurgi | fsmithred: command `grep . /proc/asound/NVidia/eld*` shows some nouveaus displayport sound info. We tried `aplay -D hw:0,7 unshade.wav` and others. No success though yet. | 13:57 |
| cosurgi | fsmithred: ok. He said he will check at home if displayport works, because he thinks it should ;) | 14:05 |
| misterunknown | Hi. Whats the best™ way to install a kernel >5 in devuan ascii? Can I use the kernel from unstable? Or should I compile one myself? | 15:38 |
| djph | I'd personally compile it myself | 15:44 |
| GyrosGeier | I think it should just wuthe ones from unstable should work, I think | 15:44 |
| GyrosGeier | the kernel packages generally have dependencies expressed properly | 15:44 |
| hemimaniac | I would suggest compiling one yourself if you feel comfortable doing so GyrosGeier , that way you can trim out all the amateur radio, pll pressure sensor , and 80's chipset stuffs outta it | 15:50 |
| GyrosGeier | that is a different question though | 15:55 |
| GyrosGeier | and likely to backfire in this instance, because the self-compiled kernels often *don't* have accurate dependency information, so they will install on an older release without complaint and then fail to boot | 15:56 |
| hemimaniac | GyrosGeier: in that case you can compile it against the config file that ships with the stock 4.19.0.8 kernel then trim | 16:01 |
| GyrosGeier | no | 16:04 |
| GyrosGeier | that wouldn't update the dependencies list in the package (if you are building one) | 16:05 |
| misterunknown | Ok, thanks for your thoughts. I checked the few dependencies (apparmor stuff), and decided to install the kernel from unstable. I'm technically able to compile my own kernel, but that's nothing I want to hassle with. I just want to use wireguard. | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | you could also try the beowulf-backports kernel | 16:11 |
| fsmithred | or even upgrade to beowulf | 16:12 |
| misterunknown | fsmithred: I'm not sure which status beowulf has already. Is it production-ready? | 16:13 |
| misterunknown | (more or less) | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | yeah, we just released beta installer media | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | other than that, it's been ready for some time | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | the last forked packages to get done were mostly polkit related stuff | 16:14 |
| misterunknown | fsmithred: Ok. Well, then I guess I'll upgrade to beowulf. Thanks for the hint. | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | see buster release notes for any specifics on server-related stuff | 16:15 |
| fsmithred | I know there's something about upgrading pgsql databases | 16:15 |
| avbox | Did somebody ever use flatpak? I wnated it to use with kdenlive, but after installing it, I don't can open a new project. Any ideas? | 17:58 |
| golinux | Nobody here cares much about flatpak | 17:59 |
| mason | Even I don't, and I'd be the likeliest candidate. | 18:26 |
| djph | I care about it only insofar as it's "yet another option" | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | I thought it required systemd | 18:32 |
| nemo | hm. I'm running beowulf. Is there any reason /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 would be missing? | 18:36 |
| nemo | ssh -YC localhost;xclock errors | 18:37 |
| nemo | (as does running it locally ofc) | 18:37 |
| nemo | er *remotely | 18:37 |
| nemo | maybe it got lost somehow. | 18:38 |
| nemo | might be time for a reboot anyway. can see if it comes back | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | nemo, I have that file | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | and the ssh command works | 18:47 |
| nemo | 'k | 19:26 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I wonder if /tmp filesystem ever deletes stuff without reboot | 19:27 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I mean, that happens on all the work VMs, but I assumed that was just the VM server being annoyin | 19:27 |
| nemo | *g | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | I'm not aware of it ever doing that | 19:28 |
| nemo | fsmithred: at work it's been really annoying | 19:30 |
| nemo | fsmithred: not sure if it is debian/devuan specific since that's what all my VMs are these days | 19:30 |
| nemo | fsmithred: but I lose the files for my keychain, tmux session, X session, any random temporary stuff I was doing in dev | 19:31 |
| nemo | not sure what seems to trigger it. | 19:31 |
| specing | nemo: no | 19:31 |
| specing | there must be some process removing stuff there | 19:31 |
| nemo | I assumed it was something they were running that was killing | 19:31 |
| nemo | yeah | 19:31 |
| specing | it is not the fs | 19:31 |
| kapil | what this channel is about? | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | this is a help channel for devuan linux | 19:32 |
| nemo | specing: so hard to tell 'cause they insist that I install the cylance "rootkit" and a sudo account for them | 19:32 |
| kapil | oh thanks | 19:32 |
| kapil | what is the differance between devuan linux and arch linux | 19:32 |
| kapil | i use arch linux | 19:32 |
| nemo | I wonder if tmux would let me move its socket file to my home | 19:32 |
| nemo | kapil: are you familiar with differences between arch and debian? | 19:33 |
| kapil | yes | 19:33 |
| nemo | kapil: ok, well devuan is basically that minus systemd - it's more of a debian overlay that removes systemd | 19:34 |
| specing | nemo: who is them and why do you have to do that on your machine? | 19:34 |
| nemo | specing: on my machine, no, but on work machines, yes ☹ | 19:34 |
| nemo | both the VMs and laptops | 19:34 |
| nemo | specing: I had to pin beowulf kernel to ascii because Cylance's dubious kernel module only built against the older kernel | 19:35 |
| nemo | only supports Ubuntu LTS | 19:35 |
| kapil | nemo oh great | 19:35 |
| kapil | what it use instead? | 19:35 |
| nemo | kapil: traditional init.. | 19:35 |
| nemo | kapil: what debian used to use | 19:35 |
| kapil | hanks | 19:36 |
| kapil | thanks | 19:36 |
| tom__ | How can I force the sr kernel driver to not reject sector requests to the physical media past the limit of the platter? | 20:33 |
| tom__ | I know that the head of the drive is capable of it and so is the platter and there is in fact data on the platter that far out just a few more kilobytes | 20:35 |
| tom__ | hmm | 20:45 |
| avbox | I tried several times to install flatpak and then shotcut or kdenlive. Installation with flatpak install org.kde.kdenlive (example) works. I can start the app with 'flatpak run org.kde.kdenlive', but I have no access to files (Project, Save as etc). Same in shotcut, not possible to save anything. Any ideas? | 22:25 |
| avbox | Ok, I see, there is really no interest about flatpak. This is a pitty, because a lot of newer applications are not available in Devuan. So nobody can use them. If I find later nevertheless a soluton about flatpak and kdenlive, I will post it here. Have a good time. | 23:00 |
| specing | avbox: package those apps yourself | 23:02 |
| mason | avbox: Flatpak and Snap both have some issues. Native packaging is in just about every case better. | 23:06 |
| avbox | @specing: It is not so easy to package i.e. kdenlive. I need melt 6.20, at this stage I'm not able to compile libmelt. I see a lot of dependencies due to kde5. As I said I try it and if I success I will let everybody know it. | 23:10 |
| specing | avbox: ask the KDE packagers for help? | 23:11 |
| avbox | specing: I will do it, but I don't think it is a question about kde, for me it looks a question about flatpak and devuan rights. | 23:12 |
| specing | avbox: why would it be a question about flatpak? | 23:13 |
| specing | You aren't going to touch flatpak while making a package | 23:13 |
| avbox | mason: Flatpak works really well, only if I try to save or open data it does not work. | 23:13 |
| mason | avbox: Part of the notion is they wall themselves off a bit. That was part of the issue I whapped into with Snap. It's running from a little closed box and doesn't work quite like a normally-install applicataion. | 23:15 |
| avbox | specing: I'm sorry, bat a native packaging for devuan with current kdenlive is out of my knowlege, but I will try to find a solution. | 23:15 |
| specing | avbox: ask KDE maintainers for help!!! | 23:16 |
| mason | avbox: If you don't want to get into normal packaging, GNU Stow is a great middle ground. I'm not sure what KDE project you're using so maybe it won't be ideal for that. | 23:16 |
| avbox | @mason: I'm not interested in snap, my impression is that flatpak would be much better then snap and currently I see a lot of maintained apps what I don't see from snap. | 23:16 |
| mason | avbox: And evidently Snap has proprietary bits on the server end. Flatpak is better in that sense. | 23:18 |
| mason | avbox: I can dig into Flatpak for Devuan at some point. | 23:18 |
| mason | Honestly I'd rather encourage traditional packaging, though. | 23:18 |
| mason | avbox: So... Are you looking for a particular version or something?? | 23:19 |
| mason | avbox: I just looked, and I see this: https://bpaste.net/KTFA | 23:20 |
| mason | avbox: Which is to say, there's already a package available. | 23:20 |
| avbox | @mason: I see a lot of progess in kdenlive in last year. Even the devuan version from beowulf are plus/minus one year old, so it would be very helpfully to have a current kdenlive. AppImage works fine, but there I don't have OpenGL (slow preview), flatpak has OpenGL, but currently I can't open/save projects. I take every solution, no problem. | 23:28 |
| mason | avbox: Here's the thing - if it's already packaged, then learning to backport is a far sight easier than learning to package. | 23:29 |
| avbox | mason, and where can I start to backport kdenlive? | 23:31 |
| mason | avbox: A quick web search makes https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/docs/staff/procedures/backporting-packages/ look potentially reasonable. | 23:32 |
| avbox | mason: Thank you, I will try it (but as I said earlier, due to libmelt 6.20, it looks like it is no easy job). But I will try to find a solution and thank you very much for your help. | 23:35 |
| mason | sure, happy to help - come back with questions as they arise | 23:37 |
| golinux | This is the forst time I can remember kdenlive on any devuan channel in the many years I've been here. It's probably a square peg into a round hole in this camp | 23:44 |
| golinux | forst > first | 23:44 |
| golinux | avbox: I have to admit though that you are persistent | 23:45 |
| golinux | You really want someone here to jump onboard despite the silence. | 23:46 |
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