libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2020-03-26

gnarfacesystemdlete: glad you got it worked out.  i think you might be in luck too... 340 might be barely new enough to run Steam still :)00:07
gnarface(not all the games probably, but at least some of them)00:08
systemdletegnarface:  This is just my testbox, and I don't really play games much.  Just solitaire and mahjongg (booooooooring!)06:17
gnarfacesystemdlete: well, it also may cause general issues with certain window managers, and other things that use mesa.  it's worth being aware of in your testing06:40
gnarface(*compositing* window managers specifically.  probably not old school ones)06:40
systemdleteok, thanks.   Are there any specific tests or programs I should try?06:40
gnarfacekde06:40
gnarfaceheh06:40
systemdleteI am using xfce atm06:40
systemdleteI can install kde and try that also06:41
onefang3D is useful for more than just games.06:41
systemdleteI'm assembling a shelf unit atm.  But in a couple of hours, I'll fool with KDE a bit06:42
gnarfacesystemdlete: enlightenment would also be another good one to try.  version 0.22.4 is in beowulf08:18
systemdleteonly problem is that this monitor on the testbox is ancient.   I might switch back to the vga port on my newer monitor (about 2 years old)08:25
systemdleteI love kde.  Every time I have installed it over the years, the thing just got bigger.  More packages than ever.  Must be a deluxe env these days...08:28
onefangI heard they put KDE on a diet recently.  I'm still not gonna install it.08:29
systemdleteFor extra drama, I am selecting sddm to see how it plays with kde, enlightenment, xfce and any others that I may have installed by default08:32
systemdlete(I've had tons of fun in the past -- ascii and jessie -- with display managers.  So get ready for a long barrage of posts here... LOL)08:33
systemdleteKDE is installing.  I'll come back next week to test it.08:33
gnarfacewell, if mesa falls back to software rendering, i expect everything will work fine except with a heavy performance penalty08:49
gnarfaceoh wait, you went with the nvidia-legacy driver08:49
gnarfaceso no mesa08:49
gnarfaceyea, that'll get interesting...08:49
gnarfacei expect a lot of things to half work but fail in strange ways08:50
gnarfaceanything that actually works all the way might be worthy of being impressed with08:52
systemdleteI'll be sure to feel impressed if anything works, I promise.08:55
systemdleteooh ooh.  Enlightenment setup... verrrrrry fancy!08:58
onefangI used to be an Enlightenment developer, some of what you are running now I wrote.08:59
systemdleteso, setup option asks me:  disable composite effects09:00
onefangYou are using it to test those, so don't disable them.09:00
systemdletegood, thanks!09:01
systemdleteseems to work fine09:03
gnarfacesystemdlete: in with opengl hardware accel on even?  when you enable composite effects there's some other options like whether to use software mode and i think whether to vsync...09:16
gnarfaceyou would notice a cpu load drop and corresponding gpu load increase if it works right09:17
gnarfaceif it works wrong it might crash, corrupt, freeze, or just be missing buttons09:17
systemdletecomposite settings?09:18
gnarface"composite effects" i think is also a separate option you can enable if compositing is on, that should enable some extra flashy eye candy09:18
gnarfaceyea they're in settings->settings panel->compositor, i think09:19
gnarfacesorry, settings panel->look->compositor09:19
gnarface ... -> advanced09:19
gnarfaceand there's also a framerate limiter in settings panel->advanced->performance09:21
gnarfacein an earlier version there was "engine" settings in there too, i think, but i think that was before your version09:21
systemdletein composite settings, I see don't fade backlight, enable fast composite effects, and disable composite effects.09:22
gnarfacemaybe i'm gettings some of these things confused with e1709:22
gnarfaceanyway, if it's working good that's actually pretty cool09:22
systemdleteoh, software is selected, not opengl09:23
systemdletemaybe this is what we are looking for?09:23
gnarfacesystemdlete: in that composite settings panel, there should be an "advanced >" button in the bottom right corner, that will change that whole sub-panel to an entirely separate one with extra verbose options09:23
systemdleteit does.09:23
systemdleteshould I select opengl or software?09:24
gnarfacesystemdlete: opengl is the one we're interested in09:24
gnarfacesoftware is expected to work (with the aforementioned cpu load penalty)09:24
gnarfacesomewhere in there is a way to show the whole WM's framerate on screen too, but you have to actually be moving windows for it to show a value other than 009:25
systemdletewell, now I no longer can click on anything it seems09:25
gnarfaceoh09:26
gnarfacehard freeze09:26
systemdletemouse moves around09:26
gnarfaceyea that was more like what i was expecting09:26
gnarfaceoh you got mouse?09:26
gnarfacehmm09:26
gnarfacectrl+alt+f2 fast09:26
gnarfaceit might work09:26
systemdleteand mouse glows in and out, but09:26
systemdleteconsole09:26
gnarfaceyou might be able to bail out and kill X manually still09:26
gnarfacehehe, sorry about that09:26
systemdletebut won't the same options be restored when I run it again?09:27
gnarfaceyes, just rm -rf ~/.e/09:27
systemdleteah, of course!09:27
systemdletegone.09:28
gnarfacethough, that *nvidia* driver might now be unhappy enough that you'll have to reboot anyway, but at least now you can do it in a controlled fashion09:28
systemdleteyes, rebooting now'09:28
systemdleteok, it's back to where it was (enlightenment)09:31
systemdletehaven't tried kde yet09:31
gnarfacekde plasma desktop should be using similar technology, but i am not familiar with the controls09:31
gnarfacedid you succeed in getting mesa from beowulf-backports?09:32
gnarfaceoh damn, i keep getting hung up on mesa09:32
gnarfaceforget that09:32
gnarfacebut you still can use mesa-utils for basic opengl functionality tests09:32
gnarfaceget that package and run glxgears09:33
gnarfaceget the mesa-utils package from wherever you got the nvidia package from09:33
gnarfaceit probably won't matter but it might09:34
systemdleteethernet port is winking out on me again09:35
systemdleteI need to look into that.  I'll be back to opengl a bit later...09:37
systemdleteflakey little pos...09:40
systemdletegot my network back09:40
gnarfacei would definitely consider switching ethernet devices09:41
systemdletebut even the other port doesn't work much better...09:42
systemdletejust as flakey09:42
systemdleterunning glxgears.  Pretty simple, but pretty still09:42
systemdleteglxgears is running at around 60 FPS09:43
systemdletewhen it starts, the first report is always off a bit (around 70 fps) but then it settles into a fairly consistent pattern of 60.0dd (tenths and hundredths of a second)09:45
systemdleteI'm guessing that is about right for the refresh rate (60 Hz in most of NA)09:46
systemdletewell, this monitor anyway09:46
systemdlete(and the card too I am guessing?)09:46
systemdletebtw, the nvidia legacy package was in the repos I think09:47
gnarfaceyes, try running it like this: __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears09:47
systemdleteok09:47
gnarface(just fyi for nouveau & mesa i think it's: vblank_mode=0 glxgears)09:48
systemdlete(???)09:49
systemdletenot too much difference with the GL_SYNC biz set to 009:49
gnarfaceoh probably because of the enlightenment compositor09:50
gnarfacealso set to max 60?09:50
gnarfacehmmm, no, but that works for me though...09:50
gnarfaceheh, maybe that's all the faster it goes09:50
gnarfacewell how much faster does it go with it unlocked?09:50
gnarfaceany?  does it still stick at 60 or does it go up to like 130?09:50
systemdletewith vblank_mode=0 glxgears, it gives me 1100 or so fps09:51
gnarfaceno no, ignore that09:51
gnarfacethat was just for if you get nouveau working later09:51
gnarfacewhich you might decide to try09:51
gnarfacewhat about with this? __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears09:51
gnarfacemake sure your cpu is in performance mode too09:51
gnarfaceif it has multiple frequencies... does it?09:52
systemdleteI tried to change the cpu speed, nothing changes09:52
gnarfacewhat does this say?  ls -l /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/scaling_governor09:53
systemdleteforgot to set opengl after reboot (enlightenment got reset, etc...)09:54
systemdletebut still, the fps rate is still around 6009:55
gnarfaceenlightenment might itself be a limitation, you might want to try some non-compositing window manager just for comparison09:55
systemdleteI finally finessed the thing into 3.3 GHz09:57
gnarfacenice, well that will help, but be careful to watch for overheating at first at least...09:58
systemdleteodd.  the temp scale does not show actual temp, even though there is a choice of C or F in the settings for it10:00
systemdleteweird10:00
gnarfacehave you run "sensors-detect" as root yet?10:00
systemdleteDo I need to install lm_sensors for that?10:00
systemdleteno10:00
gnarfaceyes, you need lm-sensors first, then run sensors-detect or sensors_detect or whatever it is10:00
systemdleteyes | sensors-detect10:09
systemdleteI figure if the board is not able to handle it, if it burns down I dont care.  The board is old anyway10:09
systemdleteso the temp doesn't show up until you move the mouse over the thermometer...10:28
systemdleteand the thermometer actually updates -- the "mercury" is low now, which looks right10:30
systemdleteI CRASHED IT!  I CRASHED IT!10:36
gnarfaceyou can run sensors or xsensors10:36
gnarfaceto get a full dump10:36
systemdlete?10:36
gnarfaceof the temperatures and fan speeds and voltages... sensors is a terminal program that just dumps text, xsensors will open a window10:37
systemdleteI made enlightenment go boom10:37
gnarfacehehe10:37
* onefang throws an air bag into systemdlete's face.10:37
systemdleteI hope it was a clean air bag.10:38
onefangThe bit that throws an air bag, er I mean pops up a window, when something Enlightenment ran crashes, I wrote that bit.  Was clean when I left it.10:39
onefangCrashing Enlightenment itself throws up a different window.10:39
systemdleteIt says "Enlightenment Error.  This is very bad, Enlightenment SEGV'd.  This is not meant to happen and is likely a sign of a bug in Enlightenment... yada yada yada"10:41
systemdletebad enlightenment, bad!10:42
onefangIn the terms of Enlightenment developers, spank spank spank!  No, I didn't write that.  lol10:42
systemdleteit wants me to compile E and EFL and THEN report it.10:46
onefangThe version in the repo is a year or three behind.  They are releasing a new version next month.10:47
gnarfacesystemdlete: yea it's old news, a 0.23.x is already in ceres... i recommend just ignoring it for now and trying a different WM10:48
systemdletedoing kde now10:48
surrealp1is that normal, that in my devuan installation the kernel doesn't have support for nfs?19:47
surrealp1i am running on ARM, so kernel is for ARM19:48
surrealp1ls -l /lib/modules/kernel/fs19:49
surrealp1does not contain nfs19:49
yetisomeone in ( #devuan-arm || https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 ) might know more19:49
surrealp1ok19:50
yetils /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/nfs19:52
surrealp1right19:52
yetiok19:53
surrealp1typo19:53
yetii have nfs modules on my frankendevuan19:53
yetirunning devuan3 with debian10 kernel infrastructure19:53
yetion cubietruck19:53
debdoghttps://packages.debian.org/buster/nfs-kernel-server19:53
surrealp1i get "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning)." when trying to run the service19:56
surrealp1and the module file is absent from ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/nfs19:57
yetithts a definitive verdict19:57
surrealp1lol19:57
fsmithredsurrealp1, how did you install devuan?20:08
surrealp1i followed this: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/README.txt20:13
fsmithredI was going to suggest beowulf, but I have a feeling it's the same20:13
fsmithredhttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/   Go into installer-<ARCH> to find what you need20:14
surrealp1what's the difference?20:18
fsmithredascii=stretch, beowulf=buster20:20
fsmithredI see ext and fat in the udeb list, but not nfs. I'm guessing it's the same in the kernel.20:20
ShorTiewhat kernel is devuan jessie ??22:42
debdog3.16 IIRC22:46
yetithat captcha still is there with the same old Q?22:59
ShorTiehow long will it be supported ??23:00
fsmithredjessie is LTS until June23:01
ShorTiehow about beowulf ??23:04
fsmithrednot sure. Check debian lts page for buster23:05
ShorTieok, Thankz23:05
ShorTieis there a arm64 ??23:12
debdognot yet. AFAIK $someone is working on that23:14
debdogtuxd3v maybe?23:15
golinuxShorTie: Ask at #devuan-ARM or https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=2423:19
golinux#devuan-arm  (no caps)23:19

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